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NASL end SC2 Operations, ESL to take over WCS AM - Page 18

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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
March 08 2014 19:20 GMT
#341
On March 09 2014 03:06 Shinespark wrote:
I don't understand. Why is NASL pulling out of SC2? I don't feel the post explains that

I guess that they were unable to find a co-caster for Rotterdam. MrBitter switched to RedBull few days ago.
According to Rotterdam's twitter he was very surprised about it.
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Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-08 19:50:27
March 08 2014 19:45 GMT
#342
On March 09 2014 04:20 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 03:06 Shinespark wrote:
I don't understand. Why is NASL pulling out of SC2? I don't feel the post explains that

I guess that they were unable to find a co-caster for Rotterdam. MrBitter switched to RedBull few days ago.
According to Rotterdam's twitter he was very surprised about it.


There's no way they shut down operations just from not being able to find a co-caster. It's almost certainly the other way around (MrBitter jumped ship after realizing NASL is about to die). Has to be something finances-related. What did it is probably they couldn't afford an offline location to host the Ro16.

I feel particularly bad for Polt and the other NA-based players that made the Ro16--now they'll have to fly to Germany instead of a (relatively) shorter and less jet-lagged trip... (yes, I am assuming Polt will make the Ro16)

It's pretty sad though, I liked BitterdaM. I do hope Blizzard finds a way to do WCS AM S2&3 in the U.S. somehow--maybe they could use Blizzard's studios and get Kevin Knocke casting along with someone else. But please not one of the other former IPL in-house casters. By the time of IPL5, everyone working for IPL except KK was kind of terrible. I'll say it again: reunite KK and Doa! Or plenty of other people would be fine too: incontrol, Husky, Day9, Axslav...
bsdaemon
Profile Joined July 2012
618 Posts
March 08 2014 19:51 GMT
#343
I really enjoyed NASL. Bitterdam, Gretorp and Frodan, Clutch, Lauren, etc big thanks to them. I hope I would still see more Bitterdam in the future.
Azelja
Profile Joined May 2011
Japan762 Posts
March 08 2014 19:58 GMT
#344
I haven't been checking up with WCS NA at all, but wasn't there talk about NASL doing part of the season and then Blizzard-acquired IPL guys doing the rest? Or am I mixing things up here o.o?
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
March 08 2014 20:26 GMT
#345
On March 09 2014 04:58 Azelja wrote:
I haven't been checking up with WCS NA at all, but wasn't there talk about NASL doing part of the season and then Blizzard-acquired IPL guys doing the rest? Or am I mixing things up here o.o?


You're probably thinking of last year, when MLG dropped WCS NA after S1 and it transitioned to NASL but former IPL Blizzard guys (KK and Kibbelz I think) casted WCS NA Challenger League.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
March 08 2014 20:39 GMT
#346
noooooooo Gretorp
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Azelja
Profile Joined May 2011
Japan762 Posts
March 08 2014 20:47 GMT
#347
On March 09 2014 05:26 Yakikorosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 04:58 Azelja wrote:
I haven't been checking up with WCS NA at all, but wasn't there talk about NASL doing part of the season and then Blizzard-acquired IPL guys doing the rest? Or am I mixing things up here o.o?


You're probably thinking of last year, when MLG dropped WCS NA after S1 and it transitioned to NASL but former IPL Blizzard guys (KK and Kibbelz I think) casted WCS NA Challenger League.


Oh, woops... That's been a year already? Holy check!
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
March 08 2014 20:50 GMT
#348
On March 09 2014 05:39 NeThZOR wrote:
noooooooo Gretorp


Gretorp already jumped ship and has moved to Vegas.
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
March 08 2014 21:04 GMT
#349
On March 09 2014 05:50 BathTubNZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 05:39 NeThZOR wrote:
noooooooo Gretorp


Gretorp already jumped ship and has moved to Vegas.


LOL guess that post explains the shutdown in a nutshell.

And blizzard.."You blew it up! You bastards! God damn you! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!"
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
March 08 2014 21:05 GMT
#350
On March 09 2014 05:50 BathTubNZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 05:39 NeThZOR wrote:
noooooooo Gretorp


Gretorp already jumped ship and has moved to Vegas.


haha go gretorp. And just a week or so ago Mr. Bitter left NASL. It all makes sense now, unless its just a big coincidence
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
March 08 2014 21:13 GMT
#351
"NASL sound guy" will remain legendary...
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anessie
Profile Joined August 2011
180 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-08 22:08:53
March 08 2014 22:08 GMT
#352
Can I blame MLG for this?

Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 08 2014 22:12 GMT
#353
So Rotterdam isnt coming back to America?
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
March 08 2014 22:13 GMT
#354
On March 09 2014 07:12 Sub40APM wrote:
So Rotterdam isnt coming back to America?


Presumably that depends on whether or not WCS AM S2 and S3 will be in America... if not what will be there for him to cast here?
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 08 2014 22:14 GMT
#355
On March 09 2014 07:13 Yakikorosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 07:12 Sub40APM wrote:
So Rotterdam isnt coming back to America?


Presumably that depends on whether or not WCS AM S2 and S3 will be in America... if not what will be there for him to cast here?

Hmm, if ESL continues to run it, its going to be pretty weird, some of their casters will have to stay up pretty late in Germany to cast the online portions...
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
March 08 2014 22:18 GMT
#356
Well, this is the last big year of professional SC2, it becomes more and more clear. Tournament organizers will drop one after another. Blizzard fucked it up during 2012 and 2013, destroying the game dynamic with some really bad balance changes. This made the game frustrating to play and boring to watch and other games were already lurking, just waiting for SC2 to show some weakness. Sad story in the end: late 2011 - early 2012 was some great time of SC2. The game was pretty well balanced, fun to play, had tons of viewers and tournaments. Good old times
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 08 2014 22:21 GMT
#357
On March 09 2014 07:18 TeeTS wrote:
Well, this is the last big year of professional SC2, it becomes more and more clear. Tournament organizers will drop one after another. Blizzard fucked it up during 2012 and 2013, destroying the game dynamic with some really bad balance changes. This made the game frustrating to play and boring to watch and other games were already lurking, just waiting for SC2 to show some weakness. Sad story in the end: late 2011 - early 2012 was some great time of SC2. The game was pretty well balanced, fun to play, had tons of viewers and tournaments. Good old times


I think the game is still great and fun to watch - I'm sorry that you feel otherwise but it's hardly all death and destruction
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TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
March 08 2014 22:53 GMT
#358
On March 09 2014 07:21 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 07:18 TeeTS wrote:
Well, this is the last big year of professional SC2, it becomes more and more clear. Tournament organizers will drop one after another. Blizzard fucked it up during 2012 and 2013, destroying the game dynamic with some really bad balance changes. This made the game frustrating to play and boring to watch and other games were already lurking, just waiting for SC2 to show some weakness. Sad story in the end: late 2011 - early 2012 was some great time of SC2. The game was pretty well balanced, fun to play, had tons of viewers and tournaments. Good old times


I think the game is still great and fun to watch - I'm sorry that you feel otherwise but it's hardly all death and destruction


Well, yeah the last changes seem to have fixed some of the latest big problems. But this wont bring back players and audience that left in the past 1,5years.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11813 Posts
March 08 2014 22:53 GMT
#359
On March 09 2014 07:18 TeeTS wrote:
Well, this is the last big year of professional SC2, it becomes more and more clear. Tournament organizers will drop one after another. Blizzard fucked it up during 2012 and 2013, destroying the game dynamic with some really bad balance changes. This made the game frustrating to play and boring to watch and other games were already lurking, just waiting for SC2 to show some weakness. Sad story in the end: late 2011 - early 2012 was some great time of SC2. The game was pretty well balanced, fun to play, had tons of viewers and tournaments. Good old times


Isn't it just a case of it being a 1v1 focused game? In normal as well as in e-sports team games tend to appeal to a larger demographic than individual sports.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 08 2014 23:21 GMT
#360
On March 09 2014 07:21 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 07:18 TeeTS wrote:
Well, this is the last big year of professional SC2, it becomes more and more clear. Tournament organizers will drop one after another. Blizzard fucked it up during 2012 and 2013, destroying the game dynamic with some really bad balance changes. This made the game frustrating to play and boring to watch and other games were already lurking, just waiting for SC2 to show some weakness. Sad story in the end: late 2011 - early 2012 was some great time of SC2. The game was pretty well balanced, fun to play, had tons of viewers and tournaments. Good old times


I think the game is still great and fun to watch - I'm sorry that you feel otherwise but it's hardly all death and destruction

The "dead game" folks haven't had a lot to do for the last couple of months, they are backed up.
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