EPTOn March 09 2014 00:26 GohgamX wrote:I have faith the NA scene will continue to grow despite this result.
Now why would you have faith in that? Do you have a habit of believing things when all the evidence points the other way?
NASL end SC2 Operations, ESL to take over WCS AM - Page 17
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
Now why would you have faith in that? Do you have a habit of believing things when all the evidence points the other way? | ||
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TotalBiscuit
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Plansix
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
On March 09 2014 00:52 TotalBiscuit wrote: So I heard back from Blizzard. WCS flight compensation remains the same for this Season for all WCS AM teams. Thanks for the update and i'm glad that it is one less thing for you and your team to worry about! | ||
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
I told you so. Devs having this much control of the 'event/competitive' scene... has proven to fragment companies, the gaming communities and players. Its a huge loss to SC2 and gaming in general to not have NASL around. Pretty soon.. all of you out there with great ideas and ambitions will be further squashed by a single entity controlling all content for a specific game. | ||
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
On March 09 2014 01:49 ES_JohnClark wrote: just gonna say... I don't believe for a second that you can place the blame with Blizzard. One could even argue that without WCS the state of North American starcraft would've been worse compared to the way it in fact is. Who would've taken over the reins? And LoL is a direct counterexample to your thesis. One huge corporation controls everything e-sports related to that title, yet the scene is superhealthy and flourishing like crazy. (This is not to say that that's the way things should be done. I prefer Dota 2's scene by a mile. Just that you cannot blame the state of the scene on Blizz's WCS. You really gotta look elsewhere for explanations as to why things are the way they are.) | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On March 09 2014 01:49 ES_JohnClark wrote: just gonna say.. I told you so. Devs having this much control of the 'event/competitive' scene... has proven to fragment companies, the gaming communities and players. Its a huge loss to SC2 and gaming in general to not have NASL around. Pretty soon.. all of you out there with great ideas and ambitions will be further squashed by a single entity controlling all content for a specific game. Wait... If it was NASL (or MLG like last year), how would that be better? At least this way Blizzard was able to get someone else to take over (as well as being able to fund the possible additional costs of flying players to a different location). | ||
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
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looken
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On March 09 2014 00:06 Firestorm wrote: How can you build a scene if no one wants to watch that scene and is extremely unprofitable? WCS NA is not a charity and Blizzard does not have bottomless funds. They are a business. Exactly my point.  | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On March 09 2014 01:58 dizzy101 wrote: I don't believe for a second that you can place the blame with Blizzard. One could even argue that without WCS the state of North American starcraft would've been worse compared to the way it in fact is. Who would've taken over the reins? And LoL is a direct counterexample to your thesis. One huge corporation controls everything e-sports related to that title, yet the scene is superhealthy and flourishing like crazy. (This is not to say that that's the way things should be done. I prefer Dota 2's scene by a mile. Just that you cannot blame the state of the scene on Blizz's WCS. You really gotta look elsewhere for explanations as to why things are the way they are.) You kind of can blame somewhat on blizzard, they've never thrown a ton of money to the organizations they have running the tournaments. It's why MLG got out of SC2 in regards to WCS. It's just a choice they made to not throw tons of money at the scene, and it falls where it will because of that. Look at it this way, if blizzard 100% ate the costs to run WCS, there is no reason for NASL to get rid of it as it's all profit potential for them then. Blizzards upside is the league can run the tournament happily and the hope would be then sell more copies of the game to offset costs they spend paying the leagues to run the tournaments. To the best of my knowledge at least in the past say when MLG was running WCS blizzards contribution to it was negligible at best. Just to add in if blizzard failed anywhere it was not in creating money making opportunities for SC2 outside of selling the game itself. Had they had those it would of probably been easier on their part to justify fully funding WCS for the leagues running it. | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 09 2014 03:06 Shinespark wrote: I don't understand. Why is NASL pulling out of SC2? I don't feel the post explains that My bet is lack of money. NASL was started are venture capital and I think they just ran out of cash. Or something happened and the owner couldn't do it any more. They were never a huge team to begin with, so it wouldn't take much for them to need to shut down. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On March 09 2014 03:06 Shinespark wrote: I don't understand. Why is NASL pulling out of SC2? I don't feel the post explains that Just assume it has something to do with money and you can't be far off. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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vidium
Romania222 Posts
Hope the NASL soundguy finds a job too  | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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