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ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
March 01 2014 04:27 GMT
#461
Man i feel like this widow mine buff changes A LOT. I kinda feel bad for all the players having to play their WCS matches still right in the middle of this patch as well as the players who already played and didn't get this benefit. But i'm excited to see how the matchup evolves from here, that's for sure!
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
SonGoku
Profile Joined September 2013
Germany152 Posts
March 01 2014 04:29 GMT
#462
On March 01 2014 13:20 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 12:00 SwiftRH wrote:
when does this go live cause its march 1st soon and still no patch. maybe they decided to not cripple protoss hehe


It is live in NA. Head banging Hydras are mean. I have not run into mines yet. MSC vision nerf takes getting used to. It's big.

It will go live in EU after the last WCS group E matches.


Group E? Today is already Group F?!
But still, maybe thats why I dont see any changes as I played T_T
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 01 2014 04:32 GMT
#463
quite decent changes imo. Would nerf protoss a bit while giving a small boost to terran. Let's just hope that terran won't be the new race that's picked on for balance whiners lol
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Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
March 01 2014 04:35 GMT
#464
On March 01 2014 13:32 BigFan wrote:
Let's just hope that terran won't be the new race that's picked on for balance whiners lol

that's not going to happen because straight up macro protoss play hasn't actually been nerfed at all (well, i guess msc sight might affect army positioning lategame too, but we'll have to wait and see)
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13408 Posts
March 01 2014 04:39 GMT
#465
On March 01 2014 13:35 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 13:32 BigFan wrote:
Let's just hope that terran won't be the new race that's picked on for balance whiners lol

that's not going to happen because straight up macro protoss play hasn't actually been nerfed at all (well, i guess msc sight might affect army positioning lategame too, but we'll have to wait and see)


If the midgame and early game change then of course lategame will be impacted, it might not come as quickly or might provide more options for terran in terms of getting ghosts in time for storm and delaying 2 or 3 base templar pushes before collossus.
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SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-01 04:58:17
March 01 2014 04:57 GMT
#466
There is a very minimal nerf here to PvT. As many have said a million times, which I will just reinforce, is the MSC is the problem in this match. Reducing sight range and duration is like taking a Ferrari, putting Volkswagon Beetle rims on it, and saying "look now it's not a fast car." I would argue even 30 seconds from 50 seconds Photon Overcharge still wouldn't change anything. Disbanding Terran's initial attack by right clicking on a building and throwing off timing pushes is just silly. Nothing in this patch leads to any early harassment capabilities for Terran - this is a simple playstyle/timing shift for Protoss; 2 base blink will just become more common once obs are out.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
March 01 2014 04:59 GMT
#467
If they're worried about EMP vs High templar then increase obs vision sight imo.
AnonymousSC2
Profile Joined January 2014
United States189 Posts
March 01 2014 05:09 GMT
#468
I'm not seeing an updated patch notes but its live on NA? Weird..
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
March 01 2014 07:08 GMT
#469
On March 01 2014 13:29 SonGoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 13:20 aZealot wrote:
On March 01 2014 12:00 SwiftRH wrote:
when does this go live cause its march 1st soon and still no patch. maybe they decided to not cripple protoss hehe


It is live in NA. Head banging Hydras are mean. I have not run into mines yet. MSC vision nerf takes getting used to. It's big.

It will go live in EU after the last WCS group E matches.


Group E? Today is already Group F?!
But still, maybe thats why I dont see any changes as I played T_T


Oh sorry, I meant Group F.
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Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
March 01 2014 07:33 GMT
#470
On March 01 2014 13:14 SonGoku wrote:
Ok my fault!
But still, I dont really feel like it has changed a lot. Maybe because I dont really have played mines in tvp often, but I watched some Rotterdam stream today and he said something like "sometimes it does nothing but sometimes it can be game-winning".
In wich cases is the mine buff game winning? Drop into eco?


edit: thanks for the gif, that looks good!

First time Terrans got Oracle answer and protosses whining?
seak99
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada69 Posts
March 01 2014 08:08 GMT
#471
On February 27 2014 17:22 MrLightning wrote:
Good changes for ladder, far less PvPs for me to play . But now the round of 8 of every major tournament will be a contest between the top 4 zergs and the top 4 terrans. A lot of protoss pros will be out on the street soon enough and the constant TvZ will get boring . Oh well, good changes overall. Really wanted the blink nerf to get through, really seal the deal and kill any hope protoss will now have of winning anything.


really dude? a bit of vision nerf on the msc and protoss is "done" ???

just goes to show that any nerf for any race will prompt people into thinking there race is done for.
Xequecal
Profile Joined October 2010
United States473 Posts
March 01 2014 08:46 GMT
#472
On March 01 2014 13:57 SirPinky wrote:
There is a very minimal nerf here to PvT. As many have said a million times, which I will just reinforce, is the MSC is the problem in this match. Reducing sight range and duration is like taking a Ferrari, putting Volkswagon Beetle rims on it, and saying "look now it's not a fast car." I would argue even 30 seconds from 50 seconds Photon Overcharge still wouldn't change anything. Disbanding Terran's initial attack by right clicking on a building and throwing off timing pushes is just silly. Nothing in this patch leads to any early harassment capabilities for Terran - this is a simple playstyle/timing shift for Protoss; 2 base blink will just become more common once obs are out.


They didn't nerf overcharge because the 60-second version is pretty much mandatory to not make PvP retarded. 30-second PO makes it literally impossible to ever expand in PvP.
beefITek
Profile Joined June 2011
France54 Posts
March 01 2014 11:29 GMT
#473
where is the patch blizzard ???

You annouced a patch for 28th and where it is ??
Get so bored of protoss noob play

Get this out now
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 01 2014 11:33 GMT
#474
On March 01 2014 20:29 beefITek wrote:
where is the patch blizzard ???

You annouced a patch for 28th and where it is ??
Get so bored of protoss noob play

Get this out now

It got delayed for Europe, wont be up until after WCS tonight.
beefITek
Profile Joined June 2011
France54 Posts
March 01 2014 13:54 GMT
#475
It got delayed for Europe, wont be up until after WCS tonight.

i dont see the point .. anyway there are still 2 more groups next week why do they wait for tonight ...

Is there a way to talk to David Kim ?? Cause i don't really understand if he is clearly incompentent or what is his purpose on this game but when i see Pvt i find the MU completly ridiculous in term of required skills on toss side... and even i watched some PvZ where Z is clearly more skilled (solar vs Arthur) and the toss just abuse the completly broken OP toss game design and Z has just no chance, ridiculous...

It is really getting ridiculous seriously it's pain full to watch, caster just cant explain what happen "toss just OP" ....

The patch won't be enough .. all the game design should be reviewed , you can have the most deadly OP army and so many way to haras or all in ..

The worst is that all noob toss all in or abusive play can work even if scouted and well defended, and WORST, if it doenst win instant, the fails all in absolutly did not put them behind ... Silly

sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
March 01 2014 17:11 GMT
#476
Remember that thread that listed all the current vs. proposed changes for the Test Map by displaying .gif images (i.e., what 8 second Blink cooldown looks like instead of 15s)? I can't find that, if anyone has a link to that I'd be much appreciated.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
March 01 2014 17:15 GMT
#477
On March 02 2014 02:11 sparklyresidue wrote:
Remember that thread that listed all the current vs. proposed changes for the Test Map by displaying .gif images (i.e., what 8 second Blink cooldown looks like instead of 15s)? I can't find that, if anyone has a link to that I'd be much appreciated.

That was my thread. Here you go: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=443178
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
March 01 2014 19:14 GMT
#478
On March 02 2014 02:15 juicyjames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 02:11 sparklyresidue wrote:
Remember that thread that listed all the current vs. proposed changes for the Test Map by displaying .gif images (i.e., what 8 second Blink cooldown looks like instead of 15s)? I can't find that, if anyone has a link to that I'd be much appreciated.

That was my thread. Here you go: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=443178

thanks!
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
_Epi_
Profile Joined February 2014
Germany158 Posts
March 01 2014 22:52 GMT
#479
Its online on EU now
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12740 Posts
March 01 2014 23:32 GMT
#480
I watched around 6 hours byun stream yesterday and it doesn't seem to change all that much.
Mines are quite useful against chargelot ht archon but it's not as big as I thought it would be.

There were still a few games where it is late on bunker for 5 seconds and loses a lot to a zealot stalker poke.

It looked like bad protoss can't use blink stalker timing as easily but good protoss can still play as if there was no nerf.

Of cause time will tell whether it is true or not but I find it a bit surprising overall.


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