EPTNext Balance Patch the 28th February. - Page 25
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_Epi_
Germany158 Posts
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On March 02 2014 09:30 _Epi_ wrote: I think one of the core issue is the High Templar Oh but it has no attack. So it's perfectly reasonable that one or two high templars can dent 30+ supply against Terran opponents. It's the Terran's fault for eating storms. Good Terrans never eat storms but even the best protoss cannot dodge emps. Why? Because emp is instant damage. INSTANT. You know it's powerful because it's instant. | ||
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_Epi_
Germany158 Posts
Well i dont want to cause a shitstorm, its just my opinion | ||
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ikisauce
Australia4 Posts
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
On March 02 2014 09:40 plogamer wrote: Oh but it has no attack. So it's perfectly reasonable that one or two high templars can dent 30+ supply against Terran opponents. It's the Terran's fault for eating storms. Good Terrans never eat storms but even the best protoss cannot dodge emps. Why? Because emp is instant damage. INSTANT. You know it's powerful because it's instant. Very true Against 15storms, a good terran dont eat a single one | ||
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
On March 02 2014 10:20 Foxxan wrote: Very true Against 15storms, a good terran dont eat a single one I think he was being sarcastic... I hope so anyway. It's a standard old argument form back when EMP radius was huge and did infinity shield/energy damage. It's them design issues again, protoss has to hide behind something until they get splash because core units have to be weak to stop the warp in mechanic all in's smashing the early game, creating the need for an unreasonably hard counter in the mid game which like everything scales too well with SC2's unit clumping. Jelly it turns out isn't an optimal foundation. Just imagine If the whole terran army didn't fit under two storms... Comon blizard spread them units out a bit... It's starting to hurt to watch SC2 again  | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
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LingBlingBling
United States353 Posts
On March 02 2014 13:04 aZealot wrote: MS vision is still 14 though, as it should be. Quite pleased Blizzard kept that. The MS vision went live, I believe it's 9 now, EU had it's patch delayed? should all be live now. | ||
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On March 02 2014 13:50 LingBlingBling wrote: The MS vision went live, I believe it's 9 now, EU had it's patch delayed? should all be live now. No, I meant the Mothership (MS) vision is 14, as I hoped it would be. The Mothershipcore (MSC) vision is down to 9. | ||
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ElBlanco
Australia140 Posts
On March 02 2014 09:58 ikisauce wrote: So a terran hits a perfect emp and hits 8 templar twice and you lose all your energy. So you just make arcons and your sweet. If you land a perfect storm the terran player loses half his army. so emp is only dealing with storms really because emping army isnt going to help if you get stormed, because you have to run. In the best case senario there is no storms but protoss has some arcons instead that do take a bit to combine. Worst case senario is terran cops 16 storms. but is fighting a army that has some shields knocked off, that will regenerate as the terran has to bail because of the storms. and ghosts costs more So if archons are enough to just win anyway why even bother risking making high templar at all? If you honestly believe you can get all your HT's EMP'd and just be fine by merging archons mid battle then i don't know what to tell you. On March 02 2014 09:58 _Epi_ wrote: Well im only on diamond and i dont consider myself a very good terran, but when i saw polt vs Hero one of the core issues were storms, which polt dodged pretty well, but with like 6 storms surrounding your army its just impossible to dodge, or FF+TW+Storm = instant death. Well i dont want to cause a shitstorm, its just my opinion That's because polt didn't build any ghosts despite going ghost acadamy. At that point you're just accepting that the protoss will get storms off and just try and dodge them. | ||
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SonGoku
Germany152 Posts
maybe this only changes something on pro-level, but nothing changed in diamon league so far T_T mines just work good against chargelot/archon but if there is a single colossus protoss destroyes them quite easy. small buff, not bad. the issue in tvp ist just like mostevil said the general race design of protoss. when i play terran in this match up i feel much more stressed and i have to work by far more to win it then playing protoss. i just sit back and defend untill storm finished and then i crush the whole terran army with 20apm. protoss good race. actually this is no whining but my humble opinion | ||
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
On March 02 2014 17:06 SonGoku wrote: i never understood why the sightrange nerf @msc should prevent a blink all-in. maybe this only changes something on pro-level, but nothing changed in diamon league so far T_T mines just work good against chargelot/archon but if there is a single colossus protoss destroyes them quite easy. small buff, not bad. the issue in tvp ist just like mostevil said the general race design of protoss. when i play terran in this match up i feel much more stressed and i have to work by far more to win it then playing protoss. i just sit back and defend untill storm finished and then i crush the whole terran army with 20apm. protoss good race. actually this is no whining but my humble opinion Just because you say something isn't whining, doesn't make it so. Also, that wasn't humble at all. It was extremely blatant whining and clearly shows that you don't play Protoss. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On March 02 2014 17:06 SonGoku wrote: i never understood why the sightrange nerf @msc should prevent a blink all-in. maybe this only changes something on pro-level, but nothing changed in diamon league so far T_T mines just work good against chargelot/archon but if there is a single colossus protoss destroyes them quite easy. small buff, not bad. the issue in tvp ist just like mostevil said the general race design of protoss. when i play terran in this match up i feel much more stressed and i have to work by far more to win it then playing protoss. i just sit back and defend untill storm finished and then i crush the whole terran army with 20apm. protoss good race. actually this is no whining but my humble opinion It doesn't prevent a blink all in, but it makes it much more risky. Before, Protoss could basically do "free" damage, as they can look up the cliff, see where the forces are, and blink in with the MsC at a super safe distance. That means that blink all in's, aren't really all in's, but just pressures that can outright kill a Terran, while Protoss has the ability to expand behind it. The current map pool doesn't help at all. Now, the MsC has to be much closer, it can be more easily sniped, and the Protoss doesn't have vision of a massive chunk of the Terran's base/defenses, so they could be blinking into lots of bunkers/bio and would put them massively hard behind. When you're talking about how you have to play better, etc etc - it literally doesn't matter. You're playing poorly at whatever level you're at and you can always get better. So, get better. | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
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SonGoku
Germany152 Posts
I even remember david kim saying something like ghosts should help, it was at the time when the energy buff came in. Any opinions on that? To be honest, i never tried to get a ghost out when scouting blink push/all-in... i may have to test it someday On March 02 2014 17:16 wongfeihung wrote: Just because you say something isn't whining, doesn't make it so. Also, that wasn't humble at all. It was extremely blatant whining and clearly shows that you don't play Protoss. actually i played protoss since brood war and just switched to terran 2 or 3 seasons ago because i have just more fun playing terran and no its no whine, its just my feeling when i compare playing both races in this match up. Even Rotterdam makes fun of storms in tvp when he is streaming. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
On March 02 2014 17:56 TRaFFiC wrote: I'm loving these new Hydras. They feel SO powerful. The ling hydra into muta styles are on their way back I bet! new hydras have more DPS than old hydras with +1 attack upgrade. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3553 Posts
People complaining about Storms, you should note that in the games between Hero and Polt, which have been discussed oh so much. Pol generally did very well in the later stages of the game, but usually got hugely behind in the early game. This makes sense with all the metagame opening you can do as Protoss, but that has now been nerfed with Blink being worse, scouting is worse and Terran has gotten a better opener in the Widow Mine. | ||
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Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
On March 02 2014 20:47 Dingodile wrote: new hydras have more DPS than old hydras with +1 attack upgrade. It's fair for a t2 unit with 80 hp. | ||
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