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On February 16 2014 16:39 xAdra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 16:29 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 16 2014 16:23 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On February 16 2014 16:05 SC2Toastie wrote:On February 16 2014 15:25 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On February 16 2014 07:59 aTnClouD wrote:
MC has been only all ining since the beginning of SC2 and was never able to play as well as any other korean progamer in longer games. He never stood in the right place to comment about the game because all he did so far was abusing incredibly game breaking mechanics, like forcefield and warpgates all ins. He does it with incredible mastery and unit control, but he still misses a huge part of the game because he simply does not play past early or mid game.
I understand where he is coming from but his opinion about balance never had much value to begin with. There are way better progamers who strongly disagree with him. Most hilarious thing I've read on these forums. 10/10 excellent joke. Anyway, the Protoss hate is getting really stupid. It's way way way worse than when people were whining about GOMTvT or Broodlord/Infestor. It's devolved into personal attacks and extreme vitriol that is worse than almost anything seen in SC2 history. It's really disappointing, and I think you might see more prominent players speak up about it. I also gotta say I'm really tired when even commentators/tournament hosts are getting on the Protoss hate circlejerk bandwagon. It just adds fuel to the fire =/ Everybody gets on the Protoss hate circlejerk bandwagon because TvP is a mess (even statistics show it while Terran has a laughable amount of games played), and Terran is the most fun race to watch, so people hate. so completely subjective... So completely kinda supported by the fact almost every popular game/best of the year includes Terran... Terran makes for chaos because both players have shit die and think on their feet. P follows a set playbook and not a lot of deviation is forced; popular Protoss games are all ins that equalize or Hero who plays a Terran esque style. And I completely hate it when people do it like it's the players' faults. Like posts that go "I wish (this player) didn't win because his race is so fucking boring to watch" and the thousands of jokes out there that treat protoss players like babies because of the perceived "easiness". I can understand terran and zerg players preferring to watch their own race, and there is no need to always revile and insult protoss players because of how their race is inherently. It's not the fault of the players, blame the game. Similarly I don't blame zergs for going mass SH now- it's boring, but really, what do you do when it's the most effective tool at your disposal? Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 07:59 aTnClouD wrote:
MC has been only all ining since the beginning of SC2 and was never able to play as well as any other korean progamer in longer games. He never stood in the right place to comment about the game because all he did so far was abusing incredibly game breaking mechanics, like forcefield and warpgates all ins. He does it with incredible mastery and unit control, but he still misses a huge part of the game because he simply does not play past early or mid game.
I understand where he is coming from but his opinion about balance never had much value to begin with. There are way better progamers who strongly disagree with him. And yet we frequently get mid tier pros like you constantly balance whining and BMing opponents out of games. Furthermore, anyone who actually watches MC knows that he is very much capable in the lategame, and playing all ins is just part of his style. Is it okay for you to balance whine because you play macro games only? Does your balance whine hold way more value than MC? I wonder. I really don't want to call out pro gamers, since they clearly invest part of their lives to entertain us (even if it's for the money) but really, saying incredibly moronic statements such as the above just gets to me.
Man, I agree wholeheartedly with everything you just said, especially the first bit. It's exactly how I feel things are these days.
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On February 15 2014 21:42 DiMano wrote:I am sad that this post will not stop hundred of idiots keep whining 
Thousands upon thousands.
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On February 16 2014 15:25 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 07:59 aTnClouD wrote:
MC has been only all ining since the beginning of SC2 and was never able to play as well as any other korean progamer in longer games. He never stood in the right place to comment about the game because all he did so far was abusing incredibly game breaking mechanics, like forcefield and warpgates all ins. He does it with incredible mastery and unit control, but he still misses a huge part of the game because he simply does not play past early or mid game.
I understand where he is coming from but his opinion about balance never had much value to begin with. There are way better progamers who strongly disagree with him. Most hilarious thing I've read on these forums. 10/10 excellent joke. Anyway, the Protoss hate is getting really stupid. It's way way way worse than when people were whining about GOMTvT or Broodlord/Infestor. It's devolved into personal attacks and extreme vitriol that is worse than almost anything seen in SC2 history. It's really disappointing, and I think you might see more prominent players speak up about it. I also gotta say I'm really tired when even commentators/tournament hosts are getting on the Protoss hate circlejerk bandwagon. It just adds fuel to the fire =/
The writing is on the wall dude. If this many people / pro's are complaining about it, it has to mean something.
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On February 16 2014 16:45 Sapphire.lux wrote:
But couldn't you make the same argument for Zerg in end WOL? Maps were getting bigger and bigger so Zerg, with it's Infestors, was able to do the things it did. You could have said , hei, it's not Zerg, it's the maps; if we make way smaller maps then Zerg is fixed.
I don't know, i'd rather not have so many restrictions on maps then we already have just because one race looks designed by a 10 year old. Interesting discussion though.
Stats may tell a different story, but by the end of WoL where zergs had completely mastered the Infestor/BL style, I think the bigger maps were the only ones terran had any kind of chance on vs zerg, albeit a low chance. like that huge map (Atlantis spaceship I think, memory is lacking)where you could seal the only entrances off and camp to ravens/bcs etc or the occasional game on very open maps like whirlwind where the terran could evade the slow zerg army to take out expos and maybe get lucky with a huge flank/arc and take out the death ball. Can remember Polt and Ryung pulling off such feats once or twice.
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On February 16 2014 17:10 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 16:45 Sapphire.lux wrote:
But couldn't you make the same argument for Zerg in end WOL? Maps were getting bigger and bigger so Zerg, with it's Infestors, was able to do the things it did. You could have said , hei, it's not Zerg, it's the maps; if we make way smaller maps then Zerg is fixed.
I don't know, i'd rather not have so many restrictions on maps then we already have just because one race looks designed by a 10 year old. Interesting discussion though. Stats may tell a different story, but by the end of WoL where zergs had completely mastered the Infestor/BL style, I think the bigger maps were the only ones terran had any kind of chance on vs zerg, albeit a low chance. like that huge map (Atlantis spaceship I think, memory is lacking)where you could seal the only entrances off and camp to ravens/bcs etc or the occasional game on very open maps like whirlwind where the terran could evade the slow zerg army to take out expos and maybe get lucky with a huge flank/arc and take out the death ball. Can remember Polt and Ryung pulling off such feats once or twice.
You don't mean metropolis?
Atlantis Spaceship was also H U G E. Both maps allowed Terran to try this.
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if you think a bit .. cloud is right . MC used to call the amulet remove really bad and IMBA . And even last night most of his stuff were timings
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mc is the bosstoss and i really like him.
of course he has a professional interest in keeping protoss competitive, that aside it is probably right that better maps would help balance TvP, but i still hope blizzard tries to equalize skill ceiling across the races and diversifies the game as much as possible.
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On February 16 2014 17:07 seak99 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 15:25 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On February 16 2014 07:59 aTnClouD wrote:
MC has been only all ining since the beginning of SC2 and was never able to play as well as any other korean progamer in longer games. He never stood in the right place to comment about the game because all he did so far was abusing incredibly game breaking mechanics, like forcefield and warpgates all ins. He does it with incredible mastery and unit control, but he still misses a huge part of the game because he simply does not play past early or mid game.
I understand where he is coming from but his opinion about balance never had much value to begin with. There are way better progamers who strongly disagree with him. Most hilarious thing I've read on these forums. 10/10 excellent joke. Anyway, the Protoss hate is getting really stupid. It's way way way worse than when people were whining about GOMTvT or Broodlord/Infestor. It's devolved into personal attacks and extreme vitriol that is worse than almost anything seen in SC2 history. It's really disappointing, and I think you might see more prominent players speak up about it. I also gotta say I'm really tired when even commentators/tournament hosts are getting on the Protoss hate circlejerk bandwagon. It just adds fuel to the fire =/ The writing is on the wall dude. If this many people / pro's are complaining about it, it has to mean something.
So that means every idiot on the forums is allowed to spew shit like "You're a fucking terrible waste of life for playing Protoss, get cancer."?
Pros expressing concern about balance is one thing, but the massive circlejerking hate train to the point that Protoss players feel embarrassed for the race they like to play is not acceptable.
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On February 16 2014 07:59 aTnClouD wrote:
MC has been only all ining since the beginning of SC2 and was never able to play as well as any other korean progamer in longer games. He never stood in the right place to comment about the game because all he did so far was abusing incredibly game breaking mechanics, like forcefield and warpgates all ins. He does it with incredible mastery and unit control, but he still misses a huge part of the game because he simply does not play past early or mid game.
I understand where he is coming from but his opinion about balance never had much value to begin with. There are way better progamers who strongly disagree with him.
didn't you retire
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On February 16 2014 17:31 xsnac wrote:
if you think a bit .. cloud is right . MC used to call the amulet remove really bad and IMBA . And even last night most of his stuff were timings
Damn MC for having his own specific style! Bring out the pitchforks! WE NEED EVERYBODY TO PLAY THE SAME!
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On February 16 2014 17:50 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 07:59 aTnClouD wrote:
MC has been only all ining since the beginning of SC2 and was never able to play as well as any other korean progamer in longer games. He never stood in the right place to comment about the game because all he did so far was abusing incredibly game breaking mechanics, like forcefield and warpgates all ins. He does it with incredible mastery and unit control, but he still misses a huge part of the game because he simply does not play past early or mid game.
I understand where he is coming from but his opinion about balance never had much value to begin with. There are way better progamers who strongly disagree with him. didn't you retire
A couple of times, and switch races IIRC...
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On February 16 2014 17:50 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 07:59 aTnClouD wrote:
MC has been only all ining since the beginning of SC2 and was never able to play as well as any other korean progamer in longer games. He never stood in the right place to comment about the game because all he did so far was abusing incredibly game breaking mechanics, like forcefield and warpgates all ins. He does it with incredible mastery and unit control, but he still misses a huge part of the game because he simply does not play past early or mid game.
I understand where he is coming from but his opinion about balance never had much value to begin with. There are way better progamers who strongly disagree with him. didn't you retire
And the fact that he retired forbid him to give his opinion ?
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On February 16 2014 18:02 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 17:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On February 16 2014 07:59 aTnClouD wrote:
MC has been only all ining since the beginning of SC2 and was never able to play as well as any other korean progamer in longer games. He never stood in the right place to comment about the game because all he did so far was abusing incredibly game breaking mechanics, like forcefield and warpgates all ins. He does it with incredible mastery and unit control, but he still misses a huge part of the game because he simply does not play past early or mid game.
I understand where he is coming from but his opinion about balance never had much value to begin with. There are way better progamers who strongly disagree with him. didn't you retire And the fact that he retired forbid him to give his opinion ?
No, but it makes it really funny when he calls MCs opinion irrelevant
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one of betrayers of gsl has spoken
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On February 16 2014 18:14 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2014 18:02 Faust852 wrote:On February 16 2014 17:50 Alejandrisha wrote:On February 16 2014 07:59 aTnClouD wrote:
MC has been only all ining since the beginning of SC2 and was never able to play as well as any other korean progamer in longer games. He never stood in the right place to comment about the game because all he did so far was abusing incredibly game breaking mechanics, like forcefield and warpgates all ins. He does it with incredible mastery and unit control, but he still misses a huge part of the game because he simply does not play past early or mid game.
I understand where he is coming from but his opinion about balance never had much value to begin with. There are way better progamers who strongly disagree with him. didn't you retire And the fact that he retired forbid him to give his opinion ? No, but it makes it really funny when he calls MCs opinion irrelevant
especially when we now that he is perfectly capable of playing late game macro, but he prefers to play with timings because that is what protoss is good at.
Screw you MC for playing to win...
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On February 16 2014 18:15 winthrop wrote:
one of betrayers of gsl has spoken
And if Mvp spoke up you would disregard him as well?
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On February 16 2014 18:29 Zealously wrote:And if Mvp spoke up you would disregard him as well?
You can't disregard Mvp ffs. It's Mvp !
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I don't know why it's so hard to see the difference between "being sad that someone lost" and "being sad that someone won".
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On February 16 2014 18:56 Nebuchad wrote:
I don't know why it's so hard to see the difference between "being sad that someone lost" and "being sad that someone won".
Going out on a limb here... being sad that someone won is not acceptable in your eyes?
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