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dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 01:26:39
February 16 2014 01:24 GMT
#141
The idea of balancing through maps when there are no stand out imbalanced units is good, I remember times during the game where a change of maps fixed some glaring balance issues.

David Kim should have a section on map balance in each of his Balance Note posts.
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
February 16 2014 01:29 GMT
#142
On February 16 2014 07:59 aTnClouD wrote:
MC has been only all ining since the beginning of SC2 and was never able to play as well as any other korean progamer in longer games. He never stood in the right place to comment about the game because all he did so far was abusing incredibly game breaking mechanics, like forcefield and warpgates all ins. He does it with incredible mastery and unit control, but he still misses a huge part of the game because he simply does not play past early or mid game.
I understand where he is coming from but his opinion about balance never had much value to begin with. There are way better progamers who strongly disagree with him.

Yea Diestar's opinion is worth more because he plays macro games unlike the cheesy MC!
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
February 16 2014 01:34 GMT
#143
I like the guy, but MC can be a huge hypocrite. He was well known for balance whinning about zerg back in the day. Granted it might have been justified, but still there is no reason to act so high and mighty about it.
"Right on" - Morrow
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 16 2014 01:49 GMT
#144
the difference between broodwar balance and sc2 balance is that if you cried in broodwar noone gave a shit you just had to suck it up, if you whine in sc2 u just gotta cry loud enough and bunker build time gets increased
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Damngood
Profile Joined April 2013
16 Posts
February 16 2014 02:02 GMT
#145
On February 16 2014 06:20 illidanx wrote:
A protoss player defended protoss. I'm not saying protoss is imba or anything, just the fact that he is protoss make the credibility of what he said go to zero.


Nailed it.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
February 16 2014 02:13 GMT
#146
Im so unsurprised by the whine responses here.

Using logical fallacy to ignore MC's point shows how weak the anti-MC comments are.

MC MC ALWAYS MC !!! xD
*burp*
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
February 16 2014 02:18 GMT
#147
Sad seeing everyone hating on MC and calling him biased. Back in 2010 before he won a GSL, Protoss was doing really badly and people were asking for buffs. MC said in an interview that Protoss players just need to love their units and no change is necessary.
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
February 16 2014 02:19 GMT
#148
On February 16 2014 11:13 Parcelleus wrote:
Im so unsurprised by the whine responses here.

Using logical fallacy to ignore MC's point shows how weak the anti-MC comments are.

MC MC ALWAYS MC !!! xD

i like how you claimed "logical fallacy" without actually quoting any posts or providing any counterpoints

ironically you're doing the same thing MC is - writing off people's opinions as "whining" because you're too lazy to actually engage in a mature, two-way discussion
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
February 16 2014 02:22 GMT
#149
On February 16 2014 11:19 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 11:13 Parcelleus wrote:
Im so unsurprised by the whine responses here.

Using logical fallacy to ignore MC's point shows how weak the anti-MC comments are.

MC MC ALWAYS MC !!! xD

i like how you claimed "logical fallacy" without actually quoting any posts or providing any counterpoints

ironically you're doing the same thing MC is - writing off people's opinions as "whining" because you're too lazy to actually engage in a mature, two-way discussion


Whine it up.

What is your actual argument against MC's post ?
*burp*
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 02:26:07
February 16 2014 02:24 GMT
#150
On February 16 2014 11:22 Parcelleus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 11:19 Waise wrote:
On February 16 2014 11:13 Parcelleus wrote:
Im so unsurprised by the whine responses here.

Using logical fallacy to ignore MC's point shows how weak the anti-MC comments are.

MC MC ALWAYS MC !!! xD

i like how you claimed "logical fallacy" without actually quoting any posts or providing any counterpoints

ironically you're doing the same thing MC is - writing off people's opinions as "whining" because you're too lazy to actually engage in a mature, two-way discussion


Whine it up.

What is your actual argument against MC's post ?


If you read the OP, you would see that this thread has no balance discussion allowed..
"Right on" - Morrow
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 02:27:47
February 16 2014 02:26 GMT
#151
On February 16 2014 11:24 JacobShock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 11:22 Parcelleus wrote:
On February 16 2014 11:19 Waise wrote:
On February 16 2014 11:13 Parcelleus wrote:
Im so unsurprised by the whine responses here.

Using logical fallacy to ignore MC's point shows how weak the anti-MC comments are.

MC MC ALWAYS MC !!! xD

i like how you claimed "logical fallacy" without actually quoting any posts or providing any counterpoints

ironically you're doing the same thing MC is - writing off people's opinions as "whining" because you're too lazy to actually engage in a mature, two-way discussion


Whine it up.

What is your actual argument against MC's post ?


If you read the OP, you would see that this thread has no balance discussion allowed..


Thats fine, the question remains.
*burp*
knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
February 16 2014 02:28 GMT
#152
On February 15 2014 23:49 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2014 23:32 Big J wrote:
On February 15 2014 23:28 Dwayn wrote:
MC is wrong, it's not just the map and PvZ is not 50/50. Not too surprising that he would be biased.


PvZ is kind of ~50% everywhere. Proleague, Code A (if you eliminate all the old Deadalus games, else it's a little Zergfavored), Code S, aligulac, ladder.

Unless I'm missing something huge, I don't see any reason to believe that PvZ is imbalanced, or has been imbalanced in the last few months or even anytime during HotS.


Yep it's 50%, and in fact Zerg and Protoss are in fact even at the top (code S distribution). It's just that the infamous "vocal minority" of the community has devolved into endless whining and screaming at every possible reason, wether that's justified or not, like never before. It's quite saddening honestly.

The reason the whine happens is because blizz fucked up the MU so hard. I played a game the other day where I(zerg) was on 4 base against 2 for the protoss on habitation (one was gold). So he turtles until he gets a voidray immortal collosus deathball with sentry and stalker sprinkled in. I had made hydra to deal with the voidrays initially, then made 10-15 spines along with being maxed on hydra roach with some lings. So he trots out of his base, stomps my spines and whole army then runs through my corruptor roach max that was rallying out to meet his army. I can't even begin to describe how frustrating it is to have this happen, something that would never happen in BW or Starbow. Now, I know I could have killed my own units to make shit hosts and maybe defend, but I really shouldn't have to. I imagine it is equally frustrating for protoss to have everything yanked into endless waves of locusts when the zerg is on 2 base and the toss is on 4 and still lose. These situations are why people are complaining, they just think it's somehow a balance issue when it's actually just a huge game flaw.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
February 16 2014 02:29 GMT
#153
I completely agree with MC, bye.
*burp*
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 02:44:25
February 16 2014 02:43 GMT
#154
The English translation makes it sound like MC is being high and mighty...but in Korean it reads more like an unbias argument; against race bashing and for better map design.

If people think Toss are sooo easy to grand master - try it. Toss is not an easy race - sure 4gate can get you to diamond, but so can proxy rax and 10 pools. (Awaiting hate on that comment)

There is also something happening at the moment that the cry babies and Blizzard may not have noticed or believed was possible...Terrans are evolving. IEM Cologne is a good point in case.

Note:

Twitch chat is cancerous, disgusting, bigoted, racist, elitist and the height of puerility. Avoid at all costs.




Much love to SC2 and the people appreciating the game and skill of the players - peace.
DjRetro
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Chile309 Posts
February 16 2014 03:13 GMT
#155
MC plays protoss.. obviously you can't take what he stated as a "noble truth". He's just defending his race with nails and teeth.

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Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
February 16 2014 03:17 GMT
#156
On February 16 2014 06:20 illidanx wrote:
A protoss player defended protoss. I'm not saying protoss is imba or anything, just the fact that he is protoss make the credibility of what he said go to zero.


But a Terran player saying Terran is too weak is totally fair! I prefer not to read into pro players comments much because they have a vested, monetary interest in the game. If Protoss is weaker, it's harder for him to win and succeed. Same goes for literally any pro player who talks about balance. Stats and factual evidence will always be infinitely more useful than any pro players opinion.
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MirageTaN
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore871 Posts
February 16 2014 03:50 GMT
#157
everytime MC speaks up I just have more and more respect for him. MC FOR PRESIDENT
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mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 05:18:48
February 16 2014 05:16 GMT
#158
some of you say MC is protoss so that automatically invalidates his arguments since he is biased towards his own race?

what?

so i guess you think that ALL Terrans cant comment on the PvT matchup either then since they would also be biased towards their own race? all Protoss and terrans have zero credibility in their own matchup?

that leaves what... Zerg players are the only ones that can have credible and useful, valid, and unbiased comments about PvT??
illidanx
Profile Joined November 2011
United States973 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 05:55:59
February 16 2014 05:53 GMT
#159
On February 16 2014 14:16 mikumegurine wrote:
some of you say MC is protoss so that automatically invalidates his arguments since he is biased towards his own race?

what?

so i guess you think that ALL Terrans cant comment on the PvT matchup either then since they would also be biased towards their own race? all Protoss and terrans have zero credibility in their own matchup?

that leaves what... Zerg players are the only ones that can have credible and useful, valid, and unbiased comments about PvT??


Or the viewers.
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aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 06:16:08
February 16 2014 05:54 GMT
#160
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