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2013 in Review - TeamLiquid Awards

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February 8th, 2014 03:53 GMT

2013 Starcraft II Awards

From the TeamLiquid Editorial Panel



Sorry to have kept you all waiting! Fashionably late as usual, we present the TeamLiquid.net 2013 StarCraft 2 Awards.

The 2013 awards ended up being our most closely contested awards yet. Perhaps it's a sign of the SC2 scene's maturity that there's more parity than ever between players, and that the standard of live tournaments has soared as a whole. We had a hard time deciding on the winners, and we're pretty sure that more than a few of you will disagree with our selections. So we just want want to give you our usual warning: TL.net is not responsible for rage or rage related injuries due to reading the site.

On a final note before we start announcing our winners, we admit that we're just as disappointed as you are that we haven't been able to rent out a venue for a snazzy award ceremony like our friends at KeSPA. Ah well, there's always next year.

Breakout Player - Map of the Year - Ceremony of the Year - Strategy of the Year
Biggest News Story - Rivalry of the Year - Most Entertaining Player - Worst Drama
Terran of the Year (International) - Terran of the Year (Korea)
Protoss of the Year (International) - Protoss of the Year (Korea)
Zerg of the Year (International) - Zerg of the Year (Korea)
Game of the Year - Team of the Year
Tournament of the Year (NA) - Tournament of the Year (Asia)
Tournament of the Year (Europe) - Player of the Year (International)
Player of the Year (Korea)

Breakout Player


kr mouzDear
kr MVP.duckdeok
kr CJ_Sora
kr JinAir_sOs

mouzDear


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Compared to other sports, the difficulty in assessing a progamer's official debut date makes having a Rookie of the Year award problematic. That leaves us with Breakout Player of the Year award, which we bestow to the player who we deem made the biggest leap in terms of achievements and skill.

Fan favorite Jaedong was cut from the running despite improving immensely in 2013 – it just felt wrong to give the best Zerg in all of Brood War an award for "breaking out." If we were considering SC2 careers alone, this award would have gone to the Tyrant.

It boiled down to a two way race between sOs and Dear, Protoss players who had jumped from being Proleague rotation players and roughly Code S class in Brood War to winning some of the biggest StarCraft 2 tournaments in the world. Dear went on the hottest one month stretch of any player when he won WCS Korea and the WCS Season Finals back to back, while sOs took the single most prestigious prize of the year at the WCS Global Finals.

In the end, we had to rate Dear's peak slightly higher than sOs'. As tremendous as sOs' blazing run through the WCS Global Finals at BlizzCon was, we weren't 100% convinced that he lived up to the billing of World Champion. In contrast, when Dear won his back to back titles with victories over a slew of elite opponents, there was hardly a doubt that he had earned the title of best player in the world.

Though it was only for a short time, Dear was the player who burned the brightest in 2013. This year, we'll see if he burned out, or if he will shine even brighter.

- Waxangel




Map of the Year


Crux_Whirlwind


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Created by: WinparkPrime


When Whirlwind debuted during 2012's GSTL Season 2, it was met with a lot of skepticism due to its large size. With Brood Lord-Infestor being an almost unbeatable composition in the late game, any unusually large map had to be considered unfair. However, the release of HoTS gave the map new life. As time passed and more games were played, we began to see that widely spread out bases were difficult to defend from harassment, and the wide open central plains were ripe for flanks and scattered attacks – a nightmare for immobile deathball compositions. Though the long rush distances tended to produce long games, more often than not they were won by the more active player, rather than the passive one. By the end of 2013, Whirlwind was the most balanced map in competitive play. Whether or not this was by design or a favorable accident, only WinparkPrime knows.

While balance is a player's first concern, the highest measure of a map's quality for the viewer is its ability to produce memorable games. Appearing nine times in our Best Games of 2013, Whirlwind represented 22.5% of the maps on the list. In second place was the surprising Akilon Wastes (a map equally capable of producing awful games), while no other map appeared more than five times. Even if we looked at the hundreds of nominee games, Whirlwind still stood out as the most consistent venue for special games. Sure, it still has a propensity for producing base trades, but that's just part of its charm. Its place as the map that defined 2013 is undeniable – less deathballs, more bases, more chaos – which seemed almost inconceivable when we first laid eyes upon it. It wasn't love at first sight, but it we ended up falling into a tumultuous, whirlwind romance.

- lichter

Ceremony of the Year


• BBoongBBoong is a tomato or something
• Spider-HyuN

Spider-HyuN




2013 was a weaker year for ceremonies compared to 2012, something directly correlated to PartinG and MC having less success. Still, there were two moments that really stood out on the year, and both of them involved full body costumes.

For the GSTL Season 2 finals, BBoongBBoong came out wearing a costume of a tomato-esque cartoon character that had the same name as his ID. In a show of true dedication, BBoongBBoong kept the costume on for the entire series, including his own games in the booth. While it wasn't enough to inspire AZUBU to a championship, BBoongBBoong did come out a winner, taking an impressive victory over MMA and being awarded the prize for best ceremony.

In HyuN's case, he lived up to the spirit of the New York Comic Con by coming out in a Spider-Man costume before his quarterfinal match against DongRaeGu at IEM New York. Although HyuN didn't keep his suit on for the games like BBoongBBoong, his on stage enthusiasm was very much on point. Just like BBoongBBoong, HyuN was later rewarded for his efforts by taking home the tournament's Sick Nerd Baller award.

Though both players provided us with plenty of entertainment, we had to pick HyuN's performance as the better one. First off, Spider-Man is way cooler than a random Korean character. Also, HyuN's ceremony was perfect in the context of New York Comic Con, while BBoongBBoong's was pretty random. Finally, HyuN actually seemed to be having fun performing for the audience, while BBoongBBoong gave us a 'why am I doing this?' vibe.

By backing his great idea with equally great execution, HyuN takes our award for best ceremony. Now that he has joined team ROCCAT, we hope to see him slinging into plenty more tournaments in the future.

- Waxangel




Strategy of the Year


• JinAir_sOs: Void Ray-Zealot ZvP
• Protoss: Gateway expansion mix-ups in PvZ
• Terran: Hellbat drops
• Terran: 4M (Marine-Mine-Marauder-Medivac TvZ)

Hellbat drops


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From: Sound vs. Salvation in GSTL Season 1.


As we celebrated the release of Heart of the Swarm and the death of the foul BL-infestor strategy, little did we know we would soon be exposed to new horrors.

With its conical 30 damage to light units and a sick new ride in the improved medivacs, the Hellbat became the answer to all of Terran's problems. Need to put on some pressure while taking an expansion? Hellbat drop. Need to do some economic damage before going all-in? Hellbat drop. Did you take damage early on and need to catch up? Hellbat drop. Facing a better opponent and have no idea what to do? H. E. L. L. B. A. T. D. R. O. P.

Even after Hellbat rushes became highly predictable, they remained a crucial part of the Terran arsenal. Players could be as cautious as they wanted, constantly keeping the threat of a drop in the back of their minds. It only took a few seconds of missed concentration for a Hellbat drop needed to do its gruesome work. Whether you were a struggling European Challenger player or a Korean championship contender, all Terrans were propelled to new heights by the playstyle enabled by one unit.

Inevitably, Blizzard was forced to move their hand, gutting the hellbat drop-rush strategy into near uselessness. The repercussions were felt almost immediately. INnoVation tumbled from his throne on top of the world as he struggled to find a new staple TvT strategy, while foreigner Terrans were sentenced to return to their tortured existence after a few, glorious months in the sun.

Though the age of the Hellbat drop was short, no other strategy caused as many players to rise and fall, and no other strategy had such a clear impact on the game. Take your award, Hellbat Drop, and bother us no more.

- Zealously




Biggest News Story


Teams Disband and Players Retire en Masse


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Woongjin_Free and STX_hyvaa shake hands for at the Proleague finals.
- Image: SpoTV


2013 was a year of grand shifts and change. Heart of the Swarm arrived and killed Brood Lord-Infestor, freeing StarCraft 2 from the stale gameplay of the last phases of WoL and breathing new life into the game. WCS increased its ambitions ten fold, reordering the entire StarCrafts scene to become the premier tournament on top of the world. While IPL and MLG pulled out of the scene, other organizations like ESL, DreamHack, and RedBull increased their efforts.

As significant as those events were, nothing in 2013 was more significant than the mass disbandment of teams and the retirements of players. With too many players and too small a market, the Korean StarCraft 2 scene began to crumble under its own weight. Even the two Proleague finalist teams were forced to fold after they lost their sponsors. After that happened, it was no surprise to see lesser teams follow suit and fold. To a smaller degree, the contraction of the international StarCraft 2 scene forced many foreign teams to reconsider their investments, and forced many foreign pros to reconsider their futures. Each day brought a news of another retirement or team going under. STX Soul, Woongjin Stars, FXO, Stephano, Bisu, MarineKing, Free: those are just a few of the iconic names that left the StarCraft 2 scene in 2013.

While cries of "dead game!" are often hyperbolic, there's no doubt that this is a scene in decline. At the same time, there are organizations that are increasing investment, and even some brave newcomers to the scene. Where will we go from here? We can only hope for the best, and keep supporting the game we love.

- Waxangel




Rivalry of the Year


• SKT_Soulkey vs Acer.INnoVation
• JinAir_Maru vs mouzDear
• Acer.Scarlett vs Bomber
• EG.Jaedong vs Championships

EG.Jaedong vs Championships


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Jaedong shakes Stardust's hand after losing to him in the DH: Summer finals.
- Photo: 7mk


With just four Premier League seasons, a game-changing expansion, and some of the best Koreans leaving to pursue lucrative opportunities abroad, 2013 turned out to be short on player rivalries. In particular, rivalries based on shared dominance were nowhere to be seen. Feuds like Innovation vs Soulkey or Flash vs Life looked like they had potential, but ended up being one-sided romps. Maru vs Dear and Scarlett vs Bomber caught our eye midway through the year, but those are stories in need of further development.

Instead, our award goes to the struggle between a man and his overbearing legacy. EG.Jaedong started 2013 as a work in progress and ended it as one of the undisputed masters of the Zerg race. Eight top-four placements in eight months was undeniable proof that his legendary work ethic would eventually give him the same results he enjoyed in Brood War. But for an agonizing five months he ran into an inexplicable roadblock. Starting from Dreamhack Summer, Jaedong took five consecutive trips to the silver mines, with each deposit increasingly tainted with the bitter stench of sulfur. The close 2-3 defeat to StarDust gave way to one disappointing stinker after another. By the time he capitulated to sOs at Blizzcon, Jaedong had racked up a dreadful 3-15 map record in major finals.

And it was fascinating to watch. The three time OSL champion had found an inexplicable opponent that mechanics and strategy could not beat. It didn’t matter that his foes all had vastly different approaches to the game, nor that he often looked damn near unstoppable up until the finals. Once Jaedong entered the ring, they all started to look like some unholy fusion of Superman and Brainiac. Every plan Jaedong concocted was swiftly dissected and countered while he got overwhelmed by the adversary’s moves. It didn't make sense. Silver hoarding of this magnitude was reserved for players who could never deliver in the first place. Bad luck? A crippling aversion to winning? Good old-fashioned nerves? Could a guy who had accomplished so much even have nerves to begin with?

Whatever it was, the problem seems to have been resolved. "Freebie" may be an appropriate way to describe NorthCon, but I'd like to catalogue it as "breakthrough" instead. The immeasurable weight on Jaedong's shoulders had to be lifted in one way or another, tournament prestige be damned. His road wasn't as hard as it could have been. His games were not utterly pristine. Only a faint smile on stage afterward spoke to what really happened. After months of agonizingly close finishes Jaedong stood proudly as a champion. The bizarre (and fascinating) rivalry of 2013 finally ended in favor of the Tyrant.

- CosmicSpiral




Most Entertaining Player


kr MC
se [A]NaNiwa

[A]NaNiwa


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There are many ways a player can be entertaining. Some like Gumiho play an unorthodox style conducive to exciting games, pro-wrestling fans like MC know the value of being a provocateur on the mic, while others like PartinG earn their applause with taunting post-match ceremonies. However, sometimes the best way to entertain an audience and command the spotlight is to just be yourself, disregard public opinion, and watch as storm clouds form around you.

Whether it was refusing handshakes from opponents, calling Polt a bitch without a moment's hesitation, or endlessly needling tournament organizers and fellow progamers on Twitter, it seemed like NaNiwa was doing something to grab our attention. At the same time, it wasn't because he was actively seeking the spotlight or putting in any great effort. All he had to do was set his filter setting to "off."

Maybe we as fans indulge a little too much in drama. But what are we to do? Enjoying sports is as much about watching the people in it as the games themselves. For a player who prides himself on being a competitor and not an entertainer, NaNiwa gave us amazing performances as both in 2013.

- Waxangel




Worst Drama



Message from the editor:

When I decided to include the original piece of writing by tree.hugger for this section, I thought of it as a not-so-serious jab at "broken promises" and the drama around it. There was a feeling that the circus surrounding "broken promises" had become almost absurdly large, independent from the severity of the issues. It seemed liked something worth pointing out in the less serious half of the awards.

What went wrong: tree.hugger's original piece was always meant to have an edgy tone, which was part of the reason I asked him to write it in the first place. It was my job as editor to keep it within acceptable boundaries; biting but not crossing over into disrespectfulness.

However, due to poor editing on my part, tree.hugger's piece took a harmful turn. By lumping a variety of independent issues together, I trivialized them. Organizations and individuals had asked the community to make financial commitments based on trust. Their betrayal of that trust should have been treated with the appropriate severity.

Worst of all, by overly generalizing the community, I trivialized their tremendous response in supporting HyuN when he became the victim of an unethical organization. This website is built on the trust and support of the community, and we should have given the community more respect.

It was not my intent, but the damage has been done. I apologize personally and on behalf of TeamLiquid.net.

- Waxangel

Original article:
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I earned a lot of negative Reddit karma on this one when it blew up, so I appreciate Wax assigning me an additional opportunity to make people dislike me more. What a friend.

Realtalk. The SC2 scene primarily consists of three groups: volunteers, people working second jobs, and people who have no clue what they are doing. These people are smeared across three plus continents and a good number of time zones. Naturally, things get screwed up on a regular basis. Sometimes things don't happen on time, sometimes they're done poorly, and sometimes they're done straight up wrong. Running around in this fog of ineptitude are a few dedicated folks who are constantly putting out fires. It's due to these people that the vast majority of fuck ups in the esports scene don't make it out to the community. Unfortunately, sometimes these failures do make it out to the wider public. Usually there's some public meltdown on TL or Reddit and things get solved eventually. It's terribly imperfect, but such is life when up to 40% of consumers refuse to make esports a more stable industry. You get what you pay for.

But late in 2013, it was the general incompetence of the esports community as a whole that took center stage. Big names were called out for having perpetrated a fraud on the esports community. Pitchforks were lit on fire. Conspiracy theories were hatched. /r/starcraft merged with /r/politics. "Broken promises" became the words on everybody's lips.

The esports "old boys club" quickly responded from their cold, unfurnished apartments gilded thrones. The documentary made by people who had no documentary making experience came out late. The long promised showmatch was held on the exact day that it had been scheduled for long ago. The repercussions were clear. No longer would the esports elite be allowed to take the community's money without delivering on their promises in a timely fashion. Fucking got'em.

Of course, when it turned out that another esports organization was actually defrauding their players and staff to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars, those who had cried the loudest about the epidemic of "broken promises" were nowhere to be found. And neither was the guy who actually committed the fraud as well. Probably because he didn't care enough about his work and the community to stick around, apologize, and make it right.

- tree.hugger





Terran of the Year (International)


Not Awarded


2013 was an awful year for foreigners all-around, with every single premier tournament being won by a Korean player. But for foreign Terrans the year was more than just awful – it was atrocious. Not a single foreign Terran managed to even reach the finals of a premier tournament, with a single top four finish being the highest result. Not only were the results poor, but the inconsistency of foreign Terrans made it hard to even hold out for some hope. Anyone who caused a stir in one tournament would proceed to immediately get crushed in the next, creating a vicious cycle of pain and shattered dreams.

We have no choice but to pass on the dreaded "Not Awarded" verdict and hope that things get better in 2014. Since this all sounds dreadfully negative, let's end this category with some honorary mentions:

  • Happy was the most consistent of his peers and had some great wins over players like MC and San. However, he was unable to string together enough good performances in a row to make a deep run.
  • Xenocider was wise enough to skip IEM New York and steal the $10,000 prize at IEF 2013 instead.
  • SjoW had the highest placement in a premier tournament, scoring a monumental upset against Life to reach the top four of DreamHack Summer.
  • Lucifron looked very impressive during the first season of WCS Europe, but like Happy, was unable to put together a deep tournament run.
  • Polt would have won this award handily if we went by country of residence and not citizenship.
- Waxangel




Terran of the Year (Korea)


kr ST_Bomber
kr Acer.INnoVation
kr JinAir_Maru
kr CMStorm_Polt
kr Liquid`TaeJa

Liquid`TaeJa


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Summer of TaeJa 2012 was a momentous event. Liquid's Terran ace was in impeccable form as he took three championships in a row at Assembly, MLG, and DreamHack while almost single-handedly willing Liquid to a team championship in the IPL TAC tournament as well. Even though TaeJa cooled off as the year progressed into autumn, his aura of invincibility during those few summer months rivaled that of players like Mvp or Nestea before him.

In a scene where it's all too normal to see players hit their apex and move on to a slow decline for the rest of their careers, even TaeJa's most devoted fans had to be skeptical about the chances of seeing another Summer of TaeJa. But against all expectations and conventional wisdom, TaeJa came back even stronger in 2013.

Slow to find his way in the early HotS transition, TaeJa once again found a spark in the summer months. Starting with HomeStory Cup VII in June, TaeJa went on tournament rampage that would see him net an amazing five major championships before the year was out. Granted, a few of those titles only required him to defeat a relatively soft roster of opponents, consisting largely of foreigner pros. However, other tournaments like DreamHack Winter and DreamHack Bucharest forced him to run through a veritable who's who of the Korean StarCraft 2 scene before he could lift the trophy at the end.

Though the sheer number of championships TaeJa won was staggering, the way in which he won them might have been even more impressive. 2012 TaeJa beat his opponents through the brute force of his superior mechanics. 2013 TaeJa found the playing field to be far more level in that regard, but displayed game sense and decision making that were more than enough to compensate. More than any other pro, TaeJa made fans wonder 'how is he always doing the right thing?' It's that aspect of TaeJa's game that makes us believe he won't stop at being the best Terran of 2013, but will continue to be a force for years to come.

- Waxangel




Protoss of the Year (International)


[A]NaNiwa


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Photo: Kevin Florenzano, ESL


Anyone who supports NaNiwa will know that watching his games can be a frustrating and heartrending experience. After all, Naniwa's tendency to trip and stumble, losing momentum when by all means he should not, is one of his most famous traits. But so is his uncanny ability to rise to the occasion when he facing what seem like impossible odds. For fans of NaNiwa, it's those moments of triumph that make all that emotional investment worth it.

In 2012, Naniwa's greatest achievement was his dual quarterfinal runs in GSL, a feat few foreigners can claim to match. It was a just reward for putting his desire to improve his skill above anything else and moving to Korea. When 2013 came around, NaNiwa returned to Europe to play in the newly established WCS. It seemed like he would be a shoo-in to contend for titles in a tournament with a far weaker player pool than the one he had just left, but WCS Europe only piled disappointment upon disappointment on Naniwa as he was trumped by players he had overshadowed in the previous year.

Staying true to his never-say-die attitude, NaNiwa instead found his success elsewhere, whether it was playing a full five-game, nailbiting finals against Leenock at Dreamhack Stockholm that had the crowd roaring, eliminating INnoVation from the WCS Season 2 finals, or running through a gauntlet of Koreans to reach the finals of IEM New York. In the face of a stronger Korean onslaught than ever before, NaNiwa once again proved that he was the foreigner Protoss hope.

The ultimate goal of a major title may have eluded NaNiwa as it did all foreigners, but his influence in 2013 – both on the fans and on the game – is undeniable.

- Zealously





Protoss of the Year (Korea)


kr mouzDear
kr SKT_Rain
kr JinAir_sOs

mouzDear


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Photo: silverfire


It was a strange year for Korean Protosses. Several players enjoyed their time in the sun, but no single player was able to truly establish his dominance.

sOs looked to be the best player in the first season of HotS, unleashing a barrage of gateway-expansion mindgames that left Zerg players in a dazed stupor. However, sOs would quickly fade into relative obscurity.

Rain, one of the top Protoss players of 2012, emerged in the summer as Protoss' driving force. He seemed destined to take the WCS KR Season 2/Starleague title after making a strong run to the finals, but was undone by a Maru who had finally unlocked his potential. It didn't take long after Rain's disappointment for another player to claim the Protoss throne, with Dear coming out of nowhere to take consecutive titles in WCS Korea Season 3 and Season 3 Finals.

In what seemed like mere moments after Dear took the #1 spot, sOs pounced from the shadows to take the BlizzCon championship. Following the pattern, sOs proceeded to drop the ball just a few weeks later at DreamHack, leaving Rain to get the last laugh of a crazy Protoss year by winning the GSL Hot6ix Cup. And that's the story excluding players like HerO, MC, and duckdeok who achieved success in the WCS EU and AM regions!

When we put it all together, it was clear that Dear had brought the most to the table. Though his time as an elite Protoss player was the shortest, no one did anything nearly as impressive as his back-to-back WCS title wins. Not even Mvp, MC, or Nestea managed to win consecutive titles back in the days of once-a-month GSLs and diluted competition. For degree of difficulty, we have to score Dear's achievement an 11/10. With the Season Finals gone in the 2014 season, Dear can be proud of having done something that was truly once in a lifetime.

- Waxangel




Zerg of the Year (International)


Acer.Scarlett


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Photo: silverfire


When those baneling bombs exploded on Habitation Station, the foreign SC2 scene exploded. Never had there been such a quietly charismatic, mostly well liked (compared to more outspoken players like Stephano, NaNiwa or IdrA before her), yet provocative player like Acer.Scarlett.

Few could deny Scarlett's sheer skill in WoL, but her abuse of the dreaded "patchzerg" style made it difficult to enjoy her matches. While some predicted Scarlett would fall off with the release of HotS, the exact opposite occurred. Free of the weight of BL-Infestor, Scarlett's play developed into some of the most exciting and engrossing in the world. At the same time she remained just as competitive as before (if not even more so), posing a real threat to championship caliber Korean pros.

Though she would not win a championship during the year – the closest being a silver against Jaedong at Northcon – her results were still among the best we had ever seen from a foreigner. Her consistency in WCS AM (Ro16-Ro4-Ro16) with wins against Revival, HerO, CranK and others proved that she was the strongest North American player by far. Her sojourns to foreign events were equally impressive, as she beat the likes of Bomber, Golden, Dream, jjakji, StarDust and Life during her travels. As a part of Acer’s domination of team leagues, she didn't look an inch out of place next to players like INnoVation and MMA.

In a year that was dominated by Koreans, Scarlett gave us more than just a bunch of memorable games: she gave us hope. She always seemed like she had all the skills to break the curse, and even when she fell short it was refreshing to find a foreign figure that we could unequivocally rally behind. Though Scarlett has expressed a desire to take things easy in 2014, we rather hope that she reconsiders.

- lichter




Zerg of the Year (Korea)


kr EG.Jaedong
kr SKT_Soulkey

SKT_Soulkey


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While the awards for best Protoss and Terran were hotly contested, the award for Zerg was a two horse race. The Tyrant's tournament resume was jaw-dropping, both in terms of results and the sheer number competitions. However, we had to favor Soulkey and the extraordinary consistency he showed all year.

Here are Soulkey's placements in the nine major tournaments he competed in last year: top eight, champion, top four, top eight, finalist, top eight, champion, finalist. That's right. Soulkey reached the top eight of every single tournament he competed in and reached the semi-finals or better in over half of them. He was the only Zerg to win a WCS Korea tournament, coming back from a 0-3 deficit against a near god-mode INnoVation to to take the title with a legendary 4-3 comeback. He went into BlizzCon as the #1 seed despite competing in the hardest WCS region and not playing in a single outside tournament to boost his points. At the end of the year, Soulkey finally got a chance to play at a mostly foreigner tournament in WCG. It was barely a surprise to see him tear through the opposition and take the gold medal. To top it all off, Soulkey achieved all of this as he spent half the year playing as the ace of Woongjin Stars in the Proleague, winning KeSPA's award for best Zerg and leading his team to the finals.

Not only was Soulkey was not only the most consistent Zerg of the year, he was the very best as well. Though he might not get the same kind of publicity as some of his rivals, his achievements speak for themselves. While many of the other top players of 2013 had dramatic rises and slumps, Soulkey went straight to the top and stayed there.

- stuchiu




Game of the Year


INnoVation vs. TaeJa: WCS Season 2 Finals


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"It was the finest display of skill we had ever seen in the game of Starcraft 2, and it was contested by two of the best and most successful players of the year. It is only fitting that the best game of the year was between two of its greatest champions."

- lichter, TeamLiquid's Best Games of 2013.




Team of the Year


STX Soul


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We realized last year that the Team of the Year awards were becoming more and more pointless. It didn't make any sense to divide the award into international and Korean categories when most international teams had acquired a Korean ace. It didn't make sense to count up individual honors as criteria for what was supposed to be a team award. Yet it didn't make sense to award it for team accomplishments either, because that would essentially turn Team of the Year into the "Team that won Proleague this Year" award. Accurate, perhaps, but not particularly interesting. What lies in the future for this award? Even we don't know.

But for now, we decided to give it to the Proleague champions after all. Despite the difficulties in giving out a team award in a game that's played entirely 1v1, we can still say that STX Soul/Soul was the best team of 2013 by almost any criteria. Collectively, they went from last place in Proleague and became the champions of the most prestigious team competition in the world. Individually, they won one WCS Korea championship and two WCS Season Finals, a better WCS title total than any team. The only area they lacked in was foreign tournament results, but it's hard to blame them for that when they didn't have a sponsor for half the year.

After seeing everything SouL did in 2013, it's sad to know we will see them no more in StarCraft 2. Without a sponsor, SouL only served as a temporary shelter for its players as they looked for new homes, finally closing its doors for good once that mission was accomplished. It wasn't the grand exit the team of nearly ten years deserved, but it was an honorable one. At least in spirit, they live continue to live on in the Sonic Proleague.

- Waxangel




Tournament of the Year (NA)


• IEM New York
• MLG Winter Championship
• WCS Season 3 Finals
• WCS World Finals
WCS Season 3 Finals


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There's only so much a tournament organizer can do to make their event a success. All the promotion, production value, and manufactured hype doesn't mean squat if the players and crowd don't make it a great experience. By the same token, great games and a hot audience can more than make up for any other shortcomings a tournament has.

No one will tell you that NASL's WCS Season 3 Finals had the polish of ESL's Season 2, OnGameNet's Season 1, or any number of the non-WCS events held in 2013. But what they did have was an absolutely incredible crowd and great players who gave them exactly what they wanted. For the lack of a better word, the Canadian audience went insane. After having live StarCraft denied from them for over a year, they roared for every single player and made every single match feel like it was the grand finals.

Though fan favorites like Jaedong were eliminated relatively early, Dear stepped up to give the tournament the story it needed. With his abilities still being questioned after he won one of the less hyped Code S tournaments, Dear validated himself by showing the best Protoss play of anyone in the entire year. A 4-0 stomp in the finals would have been considered an anti-climax in any other circumstance, but the Canadian crowd and Dear made it a grand coronation celebration.

As for now, we're 2/2 on major tournaments held in Canada being amazing. Anyone care to make it 3/3?

- Waxangel




Tournament of the Year (Asia)


• WCS Korea Season 1 / Code S
• WCS Korea Season 2 / Starleague
• WCS Season 1 Finals

WCS Korea Season 1 / Code S


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WCS Korea Season 1 had both time and circumstance on its side. RorO and Symbol had been the pall-bearers of the last WoL GSL ever, seeing it off in a doleful shower of broodlings. Early HotS tournaments like MLG Anaheim and IEM Katowice had hyped audiences up to a fever pitch as they waited to see the new expansion played in the most competitive tournament in the world, the GSL.

While expectations are all too often the precursor to disappointment, the GSL delivered big time. After the Ro32 whetted everyone's appetite, the Ro16 delivered the most perilous group of death ever made. PartinG began it all by choosing Life as his first opponent, which led to a chain of one-upping that left PartinG, Life, INnoVation, and Flash all in the same group. It could have all backfired with two of the best players getting eliminated before the bracket stages, but instead the group of death played out as the ultimate hype for INnoVation. INnoVation would crush both Life and Flash, helping fill out a kill-list of Rain, Leenock, Roro, Symbol, Life, and Flash on his way to the finals.

From the other side of the bracket came Soulkey, the only player who had defeated INnoVation in a straight-up macro game at the time. Though INnoVation looked completely unstoppable – a furious avatar of Terran vengeance looking to right the wrongs of WoL – Soulkey was the only Zerg who looked like he might stand a chance against him.

What ensued was one of the great finals in GSL history. Innovation smashed Soulkey in the first three games to make it look like a clear, one-sided stomp. However, Soulkey rallied back with consecutive baneling busts to even up the score at 3-3. With everything on the line in game seven, mental strength would prove to be more important than mechanics or intelligence. A horrible, inexplicable suicide drop from INnoVation saw half his army evaporate in an instant, and from there Soulkey only had to clean up the pieces. Soulkey had completed the first reverse-sweep in GSL history and claimed the first HotS title in dramatic fashion.

From the group stages to the finals, this was the greatest Korean tournament of the year, and one of the greatest GSLs of all time.

- stuchiu




Tournament of the Year (Europe)


• DreamHack Summer
• DreamHack Winter
• IEM Global Challenge Katowice
• WCS Europe Season 1
• WCS Season 2 Finals

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We did our fair share of complaining about about the WCS Season Final tournaments in 2013. They came too soon after each of the three regional tournaments, undermining the entire point of having regional championships.

As much as we disliked the Season Finals in a big picture context, as standalones they were amazing tournaments. The player line-ups were stacked, the stakes were huge in terms of money and prestige, and the tournament organizers made sure to bring their A+ games. Not only did the WCS Season 2 Finals in Cologne have all of those aforementioned things going for it, but it also had so many other bits and pieces to help take it over the top.

Scarlett and NaNiwa kept everyone enthralled as they stood toe to toe with top Korean players, even toppling champions like Maru and INnoVation. Jaedong was playing in full out tyrant-mode, crushing everyone in his path as he looked to finally take a championship after a trio of second place finishes. TaeJa and INnoVation played the single best game of the year on Newkirk Precinct, which almost felt like a needless excess for a tournament that had a plethora of great games.

Even the finale was guaranteed to be great no matter who won, as Jaedong took on Bomber in a battle of fan favorites who were desperate to end years long championship droughts. In the end, Bomber made sure that his days of suffering in WoL hadn't been for naught. With WoL-inspired strategies, Bomber showed up BW legend Jaedong as a newcomer in StarCraft 2. With a resounding 4-0 sweep, Bomber took the championship and gave the tournament its storybook ending.

Blizzard has shut down the Season Finals for WCS 2014 while opening the door for independent organizers to hold even more events in their place. Hopefully, they will come up with tournaments that can match the Season 2 Finals.

- Waxangel




Player of the Year (International)


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ca Acer.Scarlett

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In the case of this award, the gut feeling for a lot people was "well of course it's NaNiwa." But when we sat down and looked at the results, it was a lot closer than we had first thought. So close, in fact, that lichter even made a dedicated diagram (note: that's lichter's personal chart reflecting his opinions) to try to show that Scarlett had outperformed NaNiwa in 2013.

If you look at the sheer quality of opponents they faced and defeated in 2013, it is indeed a very close race. If you look at their overall placements in major tournaments, the two players have very similar achievements as well.

The main thing Scarlett had going in her favor was her contribution to Team Acer in team leagues, where she played an important role and beat plenty of Korean pros. In NaNiwa's case, he had the advantage of having two second place finishes in live events compared to Scarlett's one.

We went with NaNiwa and his two silvers by a hair. In a year where foreigners got their butts kicked, second place was highest honor anyone could achieve, and NaNiwa earned that honor twice. One of those times, he came within a single map of claiming a championship. Foreigner hope was hard to come by in 2013, but NaNiwa was the one who gave us the most to hold on to.

- Waxangel




Player of the Year (Korea)


kr mouzDear
kr Acer.INnoVation
kr EG.Jaedong
kr JinAir_sOs
kr SKT_Soulkey
kr Liquid`TaeJa

Liquid`TaeJa


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This was the toughest Player of the Year award selection we've ever had to make. Not only did several players have amazing years, but they were all remarkable in their own unique ways.

Dear had the best short-term stretch of any player, achieving the mind-blowingly difficult feat of winning the WCS KR Season 3 and WCS Season 3 finals back to back.

When comparing everyone at their absolute best form, INnoVation was the most dominant. During the early months of HotS he was crushing his opponents so one-sidedly that some believed he would start a dynasty to rival Mvp's.

sOs won the biggest and most prestigious tournament of the year in the WCS Global Finals.

No one could rival Soulkey in terms of sheer consistency over the span of a whole year, as he performed at a championship caliber level at every single tournament he participated in.

TaeJa stood out for the sheer number of trophies he won, claiming first place in an incredible five tournaments. Jaedong was a silverware hunter in his own right, taking second place on five occasions.

It was no easy decision to pick the player of the year, but in the end we had to give the honor to the man with the most championships: Liquid`TaeJa.

To put things in perspective, no one has won more championships in a calendar year except Mvp, who won six championships in 2011. Considering that Mvp is the undisputed best of all time, being second place to him is pretty damn good. Throw in the elevated level of competition in 2013, and you could even begin to argue that TaeJa's five was more difficult to earn than Mvp's six.

Titles are a big part of why we think TaeJa was the best player of 2013, but he excelled in a variety of other ways. Though he wasn't as freakishly consistent as Soulkey, he was an elite player for long portions of the year. He started the year strong by reaching the top four of the final Wings of Liberty GSL before going into a small slump after the release of HotS. However, there was no stopping TaeJa once summer rolled around. Starting with his first championship of the year at June's HomeStory Cup VII, TaeJa stayed red hot until December.

At the height of his power, TaeJa looked nearly unstoppable. Watching TaeJa's titanic confrontation with INnoVation on Newkirk station, you knew you were seeing TvT being played at the absolute highest level. Watching him walk all over Rain on Whirlwind, you questioned what the hell everyone was talking about when they said Protoss beat Terran in the late game. And when TaeJa dissected Life at DreamHack Winter with clinical, almost bored efficiency, you had to wonder how this kid ever lost a tournament.

So, with apologies to everyone else – you were all really, really good players, too! – we're giving this one to TaeJa. From top to bottom, he was the best player of 2013. Here's to seeing what TaeJa can do in 2014!

- Waxangel



Writers: CosmicSpiral, DarkLordOlli, lichter, stuchiu, tree.hugger, Waxangel, and Zealously.
Photos, images and art: 7mk, Cridili, ESL, GomTV, HawaiianPig, Kevin Florenzano, petad_, shiroiusagi, silverfire, SpoTV and ThisIsGame.
Editors: Antoine and Waxangel




2013 TeamLiquid Awards

Breakout Player
Map of the Year
Ceremony of the Year
Strategy of the Year
Biggest News Story
Rivalry of the Year
Most Entertaining Player
Worst Drama
Terran of the Year (Int.)
Terran of the Year (Korea)
Protoss of the Year (Int.)
Protoss of the Year (Korea)
Zerg of the Year (Int.)
Zerg of the Year (Korea)
Game of the Year
Team of the Year
Tournament of the Year (NA)
Tournament of the Year (Asia)
Tournament of the Year (Europe)
Player of the Year (Int.)
Player of the Year (Korea)
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 08 2014 03:59 GMT
#2
This is awesome.

Also, inb4 "omg liquid bias!"
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 08 2014 04:00 GMT
#3
Polt was cheated!

#PoltforBestForeignerTerran
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EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 08 2014 04:01 GMT
#4
haha no best foreigner terran of the year award, i agree
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 08 2014 04:02 GMT
#5
Since Sen won a tournament this year with 2 good Koreans in it he is basically automatically best foreigner of 2014 already
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 08 2014 04:07 GMT
#6
QXC took a map off dear, he's pretty much a back to back WCS champion he should have won best foreigner.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 08 2014 04:08 GMT
#7
ew, maru #1
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25004 Posts
February 08 2014 04:10 GMT
#8
Holy crap that was a decent read, cheers to all you writers!
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calippo
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2525 Posts
February 08 2014 04:11 GMT
#9
great read, 3 awards for naniwa yeah!
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ssw2ndtime
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia75 Posts
February 08 2014 04:13 GMT
#10
Awesome awesome awesome readssss
But I REALLLYYY wished HerO to be in the list... although i understand why he wasnt included
MC HEROOOOO OZZZZZZZZ
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44184 Posts
February 08 2014 04:19 GMT
#11
Taeja and Dear and Naniwa!!! Well played, pretty much agree with these
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tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
February 08 2014 04:27 GMT
#12
TAEJA :D
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HechNo
Profile Joined December 2013
Taiwan5 Posts
February 08 2014 04:37 GMT
#13
SICK WRITE UP
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 08 2014 04:38 GMT
#14
I just realized this article makes me sound like a Scarlett fanboy D:
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Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
February 08 2014 04:39 GMT
#15
Looks like swarm hosts are going to be on this list next year D:

RIP Soul
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
February 08 2014 04:41 GMT
#16
Like all the choices.
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
February 08 2014 04:42 GMT
#17
Awesome, thanks
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Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1797 Posts
February 08 2014 04:48 GMT
#18
Someone please make the Canada events being amazing be 3/3. Meeting the TL guys was fun.
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unrealdeal
Profile Joined August 2011
United States9 Posts
February 08 2014 04:50 GMT
#19
Thanks for the write up, so many good memories from this year. I feel ESL is stepping it up to their Season 2 finals with IEM Katowice.
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
February 08 2014 04:51 GMT
#20
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
February 08 2014 04:52 GMT
#21
too much taeja in there lol. Also:
Rivalry of the Year: EG.Jaedong vs Championships

rofl! Good article otherwise.
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Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
February 08 2014 04:55 GMT
#22
Nice!
Oh man, I remember watching the GSL finals... That was truly an intense experience
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 04:58:47
February 08 2014 04:56 GMT
#23
Agree on most of these. I still don't understand the Dear hype though. Even when he won back to back titles I still would've put sOs and even Rain above him. I think Dear loses substantially because of consistency after having been fairly irrelevant for most of the year. In addition, while his consecutive titles are impressive, it's still not like he won 2 gsl titles back to back.

Bonus points to sOs as well for being so innovative.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
February 08 2014 04:57 GMT
#24
Most popular player : Flash
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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 08 2014 04:58 GMT
#25
I guess taeja is getting his consolation prize for being the only top terran who failed to win a WCS event :<
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bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
February 08 2014 05:00 GMT
#26
LOL Taeja over Maru. I don't agree.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 05:02:07
February 08 2014 05:01 GMT
#27
On February 08 2014 13:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Agree on most of these. I still don't understand the Dear hype though. Even when he won back to back titles I still would've put sOs and even Rain above him. I think Dear loses substantially because of consistency after having been fairly irrelevant for most of the year. In addition, while his consecutive titles are impressive, it's still not like he won 2 gsl titles back to back.

Bonus points to sOs as well for being so innovative.


Dear won 2 really hard tournaments back to back where as sOs is incredibly inconsistent and Rain I can't remember how his results were last year.

Dear was an incredibly strong player (I haven't seen him lately) and I can agree with giving him the best protoss. When he won those tournaments (1 was GSL the other was world finals where he crushed in the world finals and I can't remember if he crushed the GSL one) he looked very good. sOs doesn't have that "wow this guy is insanely good" like Dear did for me anyway.

Dear looked good in macro and cheese, sOs is just inconsistent and looks ok/good at times, then terrible the next.

I don't agree with a decent amount of what the op put, but I expected that still a nice read ^^.
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 05:18:52
February 08 2014 05:01 GMT
#28
A TeamLiquid player wins the player of the year for the 2013 TeamLiquid Awards? Shocking!

Anyway, I'd like to take a moment to respond the "Broken Promises" section. I'm certain that I get lumped into the "people who have no clue what they are doing" category, TotalBiscuit so finely placed me there, and will get flamed for calling out those heroic "volunteers" who "accidentally" make mistakes.

That is all fine, and while I disagree, it doesn't change anything about what I'm about to say because my argument stands independent on what I know about E-sports.

I've spent the last few years calling out on this forum, and basically everywhere else in my life, is people who don't do what they say they are going to do. If you've taken the time to read and understand Plato's Republic, that is possibly the only logically defensible definition of justice - to do what you say you will- and people who don't do that, should be called out. And you don't need to actually have a clue about anything to do that. You just need to listen to what someone says, then see if they did what they said they would. Whether it be MLG promising Gold Members a year of Access to HQ Pro Circuit Event streams for $29.99, then turning around and telling us we can't watch the Pro Circuit Winter Arena, Blizzard telling us how they are giving Zerg aggressive options in the mid-game with the Swarmhost and then making an about face, or Hyun not getting paid.

People screw up. We all know they do. But when you make a mistake, you admit it, and you fix it. In the issues I brought above, that didn't happen. And people have a right to be angry.

I just find it really sad when people can't understand that. They can't understand when people get upset that they don't keep their word, and try to muddy the waters with lies and excuses instead of manning up and doing the right thing.
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
February 08 2014 05:02 GMT
#29
inb4 "liquid bias" and "protoss bias" for all those awards to Dear and tournaments where he won.

Anyways haven't been following sc2 for a few months now, but these are still things as I'd remember them.
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
February 08 2014 05:04 GMT
#30
Maru was underrated i think
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IncubusSC
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada57 Posts
February 08 2014 05:05 GMT
#31
Breakout players, all play Protoss................... >:D
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 08 2014 05:05 GMT
#32
Well, Year of Liquid did happen in the end.
Sad you can't even give an award for International Terran. Such a pity.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 08 2014 05:07 GMT
#33
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

bomber wat
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
February 08 2014 05:08 GMT
#34
STX being starcraft team of the year.... time really make anything possible. (I miss wemadefox )
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 05:27:24
February 08 2014 05:15 GMT
#35
Lol at Taeja being the player of the year. The guy didn't make the finals of a single WCS event.

Considering that Mvp is the undisputed best of all time, being second place to him is pretty damn good. Throw in the elevated level of competition in 2013, and you could even begin to argue that TaeJa's five was more difficult to earn than Mvp's six.


The very fact that the writer suggests that winning some Homestory Cups is more impressive than Mvp's 2011 allows one to conclude that this award is a sham. Absolutely ridiculous.

Also, the broken promises bit was just stupid. If you do a kickstarter for a documentary and collect tens of thousands of dollars, you are expected to come out with a product that is worth that value, and you need to give a reason if the project is delayed. Also, people didn't get mad when Quantic got scammed? I don't think the writer is being objective there...
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Jmanthedragonguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada1202 Posts
February 08 2014 05:16 GMT
#36
Most of these I agree with. Personally I would have loved to see some PartinG, but to be honest, he didn't have the hottest of years
YumYumGranola
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada346 Posts
February 08 2014 05:17 GMT
#37
Though it doesn't get the same recognition as a lot of other places, Toronto (and really Ontario in general) has some of the best sports fans in the world in terms of intensity, respect, and just having love for the game. Congrats at the season 3 finals, you made us all proud.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 05:21:56
February 08 2014 05:18 GMT
#38
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

From a year overall perspective Innovation and Bomber aren't even close with Taeja regarding consistency, let alone championship titles, yes being WCS Season Finals champions is a great feat but winning a whopping five premier tournaments across over half a year against same caliber of players is hands down a bigger achievement.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
February 08 2014 05:20 GMT
#39
Not bad.
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
February 08 2014 05:20 GMT
#40
On February 08 2014 14:15 Bagration wrote:
Lol at Taeja being the player of the year. The guy didn't make the finals of a single WCS event.

Also, the broken promises bit was just stupid. If you do a kickstarter for a documentary and collect tens of thousands of dollars, you are expected to come out with a product that is worth that value, and you need to give a reason if the project is delayed. Also, people didn't get mad when Quantic got scammed? I don't think the writer is being objective there...


Broken promises should have mentioned what the broken promises were instead of only being about community reaction. Taeja pick is fine though, no one was really consistent enough to be more deserving. WCS Korea and WCS Finals, the two hardest tournaments, had 5 different winners, and the only multiple winner, Dear, was only good the last few months of the year. So Taeja gets it for consistency outside WCS despite poor results in WCS itself.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2014 05:21 GMT
#41
On February 08 2014 14:18 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

From a year overall perspective Innovation and Bomber aren't even close with Taeja regarding consistency.


I disagree with Innovation being inconsistent. From the release of HotS in March until the WCS Season 2 finals (late August), Innovation finished top 4 in every single Premier tournament he participated in. That is a period of nearly half of a year.

Not to mention he played a huge role in winning a Proleague championship, a GSTL championship, and an Acer Teamstory Cup championship.
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Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
February 08 2014 05:23 GMT
#42
im surprised naniwa wasnt praised in the awards for also being the only foreigner to qualify top 16 for blizzcon finals, especially since korean dominance in tournaments was touched upon so heavily, i think that alone helps seal him as the top international player
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 08 2014 05:23 GMT
#43
Why isn't RorO in the nominees for zerg when he won Gom zerg of the year?
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33339 Posts
February 08 2014 05:24 GMT
#44
poor sOs, didn't even win an award

at least he gets the FP photo ^_^
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 05:28:29
February 08 2014 05:25 GMT
#45
On February 08 2014 14:21 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:18 digmouse wrote:
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

From a year overall perspective Innovation and Bomber aren't even close with Taeja regarding consistency.


I disagree with Innovation being inconsistent. From the release of HotS in March until the WCS Season 2 finals (late August), Innovation finished top 4 in every single Premier tournament he participated in. That is a period of nearly half of a year.

Not to mention he played a huge role in winning a Proleague championship, a GSTL championship, and an Acer Teamstory Cup championship.

While on the other hand he also lose enough important games to players at the time he is supposed to beat, but how many about Taeja? In one line Innovation disappointed much more than Taeja did.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 05:27:56
February 08 2014 05:26 GMT
#46
On February 08 2014 14:18 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

From a year overall perspective Innovation and Bomber aren't even close with Taeja regarding consistency, let alone championship titles, yes being WCS Season Finals champions is a great feat but winning a whopping five premier tournaments across over half a year against same caliber of players is hands down a bigger achievement.

Yes he won a lot of stuff, but you have to look at the competition there too...
Homestory cup 7 wasn't really that impressive and at Asus he really didn't have strong opponents either..
He didn't really make any impact in the WCS events, i feel this time he really got a TL bonus (even though he is an amazing player)
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 08 2014 05:28 GMT
#47
I feel like Maru at least deserved a mention for player of the year though. he's not even listed in the nominees even though he won OSL and got top 4 at WCS KR S3, S3 finals, and Blizzcon. he was the only terran player to win a series against a toss at Blizzcon and in 2 of the tournaments he got knocked out by the champion.
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
February 08 2014 05:29 GMT
#48
On February 08 2014 14:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:18 digmouse wrote:
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

From a year overall perspective Innovation and Bomber aren't even close with Taeja regarding consistency, let alone championship titles, yes being WCS Season Finals champions is a great feat but winning a whopping five premier tournaments across over half a year against same caliber of players is hands down a bigger achievement.

Yes he won a lot of stuff, but you have to look at the competition there too...
Homestory cup 7 wasn't really that impressive and at Asus he really didn't have strong opponents either..
He didn't really make any impact in the WCS events, i feel this time he really got a TL bonus (even though he is an amazing player)


I just don't see who is better. If you combined Innovation's March-August with Dear's September-December you'd get a better player, but no one really had a consistent 2013 at all.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 08 2014 05:29 GMT
#49
This is sick! I agree with most of the awards, except for Polt the true American hero not being considered a foreigner
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 05:31:34
February 08 2014 05:30 GMT
#50
On February 08 2014 14:07 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

bomber wat


BOMBER #1

also that paragraph about taeja's 5 wins being equal to 3 GSL wins + some other stuff is pretty funny, yeah taeja won 5 tournaments but only one of them was a big tournament. two HSC's in there.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2014 05:31 GMT
#51
On February 08 2014 14:25 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:21 Bagration wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:18 digmouse wrote:
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

From a year overall perspective Innovation and Bomber aren't even close with Taeja regarding consistency.


I disagree with Innovation being inconsistent. From the release of HotS in March until the WCS Season 2 finals (late August), Innovation finished top 4 in every single Premier tournament he participated in. That is a period of nearly half of a year.

Not to mention he played a huge role in winning a Proleague championship, a GSTL championship, and an Acer Teamstory Cup championship.

While on the other hand he also lose enough important games to players at the time he is supposed to beat, but how many about Taeja?


Taeja vs. elfi multiple times.
Taeja has also lost to Major in WCS AM
Taeja was eliminated in WCS Season 3 Ro16 by Heart

It's not like Taeja's been upset-proof either. Frankly no player in the scene hasn't had their share of embarrassing upsets, including Mvp, MMA, Life, Nestea, MC ...
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2014 05:32 GMT
#52
On February 08 2014 14:29 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:18 digmouse wrote:
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

From a year overall perspective Innovation and Bomber aren't even close with Taeja regarding consistency, let alone championship titles, yes being WCS Season Finals champions is a great feat but winning a whopping five premier tournaments across over half a year against same caliber of players is hands down a bigger achievement.

Yes he won a lot of stuff, but you have to look at the competition there too...
Homestory cup 7 wasn't really that impressive and at Asus he really didn't have strong opponents either..
He didn't really make any impact in the WCS events, i feel this time he really got a TL bonus (even though he is an amazing player)


I just don't see who is better. If you combined Innovation's March-August with Dear's September-December you'd get a better player, but no one really had a consistent 2013 at all.


Same with Taeja. He only qualified for the WCS Season finals one time (out of 3). That's not exactly consistency either
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UberNuB
Profile Joined December 2010
United States365 Posts
February 08 2014 05:33 GMT
#53
I don't get how JD wasn't best Zerg.

Good article though, thanks!
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 08 2014 05:35 GMT
#54
On February 08 2014 14:29 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:18 digmouse wrote:
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

From a year overall perspective Innovation and Bomber aren't even close with Taeja regarding consistency, let alone championship titles, yes being WCS Season Finals champions is a great feat but winning a whopping five premier tournaments across over half a year against same caliber of players is hands down a bigger achievement.

Yes he won a lot of stuff, but you have to look at the competition there too...
Homestory cup 7 wasn't really that impressive and at Asus he really didn't have strong opponents either..
He didn't really make any impact in the WCS events, i feel this time he really got a TL bonus (even though he is an amazing player)


I just don't see who is better. If you combined Innovation's March-August with Dear's September-December you'd get a better player, but no one really had a consistent 2013 at all.

I am not even talking about consistency, i just say that of the 5 tournaments he won 3 of them were rather "easy" to win.
So i just don't see why the argument is his titles really, i think Maru's year was pretty great too for example.
But yeah whatever^^
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
February 08 2014 05:36 GMT
#55
On February 08 2014 14:32 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:29 Cheren wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:18 digmouse wrote:
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

From a year overall perspective Innovation and Bomber aren't even close with Taeja regarding consistency, let alone championship titles, yes being WCS Season Finals champions is a great feat but winning a whopping five premier tournaments across over half a year against same caliber of players is hands down a bigger achievement.

Yes he won a lot of stuff, but you have to look at the competition there too...
Homestory cup 7 wasn't really that impressive and at Asus he really didn't have strong opponents either..
He didn't really make any impact in the WCS events, i feel this time he really got a TL bonus (even though he is an amazing player)


I just don't see who is better. If you combined Innovation's March-August with Dear's September-December you'd get a better player, but no one really had a consistent 2013 at all.


Same with Taeja. He only qualified for the WCS Season finals one time (out of 3). That's not exactly consistency either


If you only look at WCS, Soulkey is probably player of the year, but no one really had consistent results in WCS. If you look at all premier tournaments, Taeja has the best results.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2014 05:41 GMT
#56
On February 08 2014 14:36 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:32 Bagration wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:29 Cheren wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:18 digmouse wrote:
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

From a year overall perspective Innovation and Bomber aren't even close with Taeja regarding consistency, let alone championship titles, yes being WCS Season Finals champions is a great feat but winning a whopping five premier tournaments across over half a year against same caliber of players is hands down a bigger achievement.

Yes he won a lot of stuff, but you have to look at the competition there too...
Homestory cup 7 wasn't really that impressive and at Asus he really didn't have strong opponents either..
He didn't really make any impact in the WCS events, i feel this time he really got a TL bonus (even though he is an amazing player)


I just don't see who is better. If you combined Innovation's March-August with Dear's September-December you'd get a better player, but no one really had a consistent 2013 at all.


Same with Taeja. He only qualified for the WCS Season finals one time (out of 3). That's not exactly consistency either


If you only look at WCS, Soulkey is probably player of the year, but no one really had consistent results in WCS. If you look at all premier tournaments, Taeja has the best results.


And that's the problem. The award makes sense if you consider that all premier tournaments are roughly equal, which isn't the case. sOs's win at Blizzcon probably equals 3 of Taeja's tournament wins frankly.

And the award also under-emphasizes teamleague performance. Taeja couldn't even maintain a 50% winrate in Proleague
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33339 Posts
February 08 2014 05:41 GMT
#57
wow KeSPA even had fucking kpop at their awards

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FlyingSteaks
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil433 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 05:41:51
February 08 2014 05:41 GMT
#58
I only disagree with chosen rivalry (should be Soulkey vs Innovation) and the Terran/player being awarded to Taeja, the rest is spot on I think
kuan888
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada305 Posts
February 08 2014 05:44 GMT
#59
Naniwa and Scarlett, yay !
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Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
February 08 2014 05:44 GMT
#60
It was certainly an year for great games.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 08 2014 05:45 GMT
#61
On February 08 2014 14:41 Waxangel wrote:
wow KeSPA even had fucking kpop at their awards

https://twitter.com/kimbillly/status/432025639411937280


should have asked me to perform

i know you are jelly of my mad rhymez
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Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 05:59:03
February 08 2014 05:58 GMT
#62
On February 08 2014 14:28 Shellshock wrote:
I feel like Maru at least deserved a mention for player of the year though. he's not even listed in the nominees even though he won OSL and got top 4 at WCS KR S3, S3 finals, and Blizzcon. he was the only terran player to win a series against a toss at Blizzcon and in 2 of the tournaments he got knocked out by the champion.


Dont worry , once 15 Toss + Maru advance to the ro16 , and Maru beats them to the ground and wins the whole thing.....he is already set for not just player of year (2014) , but player of the century if that ever to exist.

EDIT : Great List ! I enjoyed the read , thank you TL writers !
AnonymousSC2
Profile Joined January 2014
United States189 Posts
February 08 2014 06:05 GMT
#63
Definately some liquid bias but thats ok.. I guess lol xD Taeja had a good year
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2383 Posts
February 08 2014 06:07 GMT
#64
On February 08 2014 13:38 lichter wrote:
I just realized this article makes me sound like a Scarlett fanboy D:

You say that like it's a bad thing
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
February 08 2014 06:09 GMT
#65
On February 08 2014 14:36 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:32 Bagration wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:29 Cheren wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:18 digmouse wrote:
On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

From a year overall perspective Innovation and Bomber aren't even close with Taeja regarding consistency, let alone championship titles, yes being WCS Season Finals champions is a great feat but winning a whopping five premier tournaments across over half a year against same caliber of players is hands down a bigger achievement.

Yes he won a lot of stuff, but you have to look at the competition there too...
Homestory cup 7 wasn't really that impressive and at Asus he really didn't have strong opponents either..
He didn't really make any impact in the WCS events, i feel this time he really got a TL bonus (even though he is an amazing player)


I just don't see who is better. If you combined Innovation's March-August with Dear's September-December you'd get a better player, but no one really had a consistent 2013 at all.


Same with Taeja. He only qualified for the WCS Season finals one time (out of 3). That's not exactly consistency either


If you only look at WCS, Soulkey is probably player of the year, but no one really had consistent results in WCS. If you look at all premier tournaments, Taeja has the best results.


Jaedong was ridiculously consistent in WCS. The maximum tournaments you could be in was 7 (3 Regional tournaments, 3 Season Finals, 1 Grand Final) and he made Top 3 in four of them.

But I mostly agree with Taeja. Even if you treat HomeStory Cup as a "lesser" tournament, 5 wins is still 5 wins.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
February 08 2014 06:10 GMT
#66
On February 08 2014 14:28 Shellshock wrote:
I feel like Maru at least deserved a mention for player of the year though. he's not even listed in the nominees even though he won OSL and got top 4 at WCS KR S3, S3 finals, and Blizzcon. he was the only terran player to win a series against a toss at Blizzcon and in 2 of the tournaments he got knocked out by the champion.


Agreed. That's my only complaint with this list.
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
February 08 2014 06:17 GMT
#67
On February 08 2014 14:20 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:15 Bagration wrote:
Lol at Taeja being the player of the year. The guy didn't make the finals of a single WCS event.

Also, the broken promises bit was just stupid. If you do a kickstarter for a documentary and collect tens of thousands of dollars, you are expected to come out with a product that is worth that value, and you need to give a reason if the project is delayed. Also, people didn't get mad when Quantic got scammed? I don't think the writer is being objective there...


Broken promises should have mentioned what the broken promises were instead of only being about community reaction. Taeja pick is fine though, no one was really consistent enough to be more deserving. WCS Korea and WCS Finals, the two hardest tournaments, had 5 different winners, and the only multiple winner, Dear, was only good the last few months of the year. So Taeja gets it for consistency outside WCS despite poor results in WCS itself.

unfortunately Broken Promises promised to do a series on "the pizza.gg fiasco, the ROOT Gaming house, eSportsU, the Sons of Starcraft documentary", yet after more than 3 months only two of those subjects have been written on, so it's difficult to do a critique of the full series
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
February 08 2014 06:20 GMT
#68
Scarlett!
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HeadlessWonder
Profile Joined January 2013
United States1096 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 06:37:06
February 08 2014 06:36 GMT
#69
Nice read. I pretty much agree with everything.
Map of the year pretty much had to be Whirlwind imo, so I was glad to see that.
Taeja is who I would pick for player of the year.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 08 2014 06:37 GMT
#70
On February 08 2014 15:07 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 13:38 lichter wrote:
I just realized this article makes me sound like a Scarlett fanboy D:

You say that like it's a bad thing


i tried my best
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-JoKeR-
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada387 Posts
February 08 2014 06:40 GMT
#71
Player of the year should have gone to Soulkey or Dear but w.e
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
February 08 2014 06:45 GMT
#72
Great job guys, great read. 2013 may have been a slightly rocky year for starcraft but we got some of the best moments ever out of it as well. 2014 is already off to a good start, lets keep it that way.
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 07:00:37
February 08 2014 06:58 GMT
#73
On February 08 2014 15:17 Antoine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:20 Cheren wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:15 Bagration wrote:
Lol at Taeja being the player of the year. The guy didn't make the finals of a single WCS event.

Also, the broken promises bit was just stupid. If you do a kickstarter for a documentary and collect tens of thousands of dollars, you are expected to come out with a product that is worth that value, and you need to give a reason if the project is delayed. Also, people didn't get mad when Quantic got scammed? I don't think the writer is being objective there...


Broken promises should have mentioned what the broken promises were instead of only being about community reaction. Taeja pick is fine though, no one was really consistent enough to be more deserving. WCS Korea and WCS Finals, the two hardest tournaments, had 5 different winners, and the only multiple winner, Dear, was only good the last few months of the year. So Taeja gets it for consistency outside WCS despite poor results in WCS itself.

unfortunately Broken Promises promised to do a series on "the pizza.gg fiasco, the ROOT Gaming house, eSportsU, the Sons of Starcraft documentary", yet after more than 3 months only two of those subjects have been written on, so it's difficult to do a critique of the full series


Your joke kind of misses the mark since Richard Lewis didn't ask the community for money to make that series so the irony you implied doesn't exist.

Also the article said the community wasn't upset about Hyun not getting paid, but the community paid Hyun around $7000 of the $23000 he was owed.
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
February 08 2014 07:01 GMT
#74
Hooray for Naniwa :D

Love the diagram.

Drama:

Naniwa vs Everyone
Naniwa vs Sweden
Naniwa vs Twitter

Winner: Naniwa?
Zenniv
Profile Joined September 2011
United States545 Posts
February 08 2014 07:08 GMT
#75
Great write up but srsly Liquid` bias is stronk in this one.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
February 08 2014 07:08 GMT
#76
Nice writeup though not a fan of the bias. Player of the year should've gone to a WCS Korea/World winner or at least runner up (Dear/JD/sOs/Soulkey). For getting a free ride through WCS AM Taeja really didn't do well enough at season finals to warrant being called #1.
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
February 08 2014 07:26 GMT
#77
damn, I like reading these
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
February 08 2014 07:29 GMT
#78
my favourite read every year, well done
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
February 08 2014 07:31 GMT
#79
Really cool, well written. I think the winners were all accurate and deserving.
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
February 08 2014 07:32 GMT
#80
On February 08 2014 14:58 Tchado wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:28 Shellshock wrote:
I feel like Maru at least deserved a mention for player of the year though. he's not even listed in the nominees even though he won OSL and got top 4 at WCS KR S3, S3 finals, and Blizzcon. he was the only terran player to win a series against a toss at Blizzcon and in 2 of the tournaments he got knocked out by the champion.


Dont worry , once 15 Toss + Maru advance to the ro16 , and Maru beats them to the ground and wins the whole thing.....he is already set for not just player of year (2014) , but player of the century if that ever to exist.

EDIT : Great List ! I enjoyed the read , thank you TL writers !



Please do not forget about mvp so easily ;P
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 08 2014 07:35 GMT
#81
On February 08 2014 16:32 igay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:58 Tchado wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:28 Shellshock wrote:
I feel like Maru at least deserved a mention for player of the year though. he's not even listed in the nominees even though he won OSL and got top 4 at WCS KR S3, S3 finals, and Blizzcon. he was the only terran player to win a series against a toss at Blizzcon and in 2 of the tournaments he got knocked out by the champion.


Dont worry , once 15 Toss + Maru advance to the ro16 , and Maru beats them to the ground and wins the whole thing.....he is already set for not just player of year (2014) , but player of the century if that ever to exist.

EDIT : Great List ! I enjoyed the read , thank you TL writers !



Please do not forget about mvp so easily ;P


Mvp is in wcs eu =/
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
February 08 2014 07:36 GMT
#82
i'm referring to "but player of the century if that ever to exist."
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 07:52:07
February 08 2014 07:50 GMT
#83
On February 08 2014 16:35 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 16:32 igay wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:58 Tchado wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:28 Shellshock wrote:
I feel like Maru at least deserved a mention for player of the year though. he's not even listed in the nominees even though he won OSL and got top 4 at WCS KR S3, S3 finals, and Blizzcon. he was the only terran player to win a series against a toss at Blizzcon and in 2 of the tournaments he got knocked out by the champion.


Dont worry , once 15 Toss + Maru advance to the ro16 , and Maru beats them to the ground and wins the whole thing.....he is already set for not just player of year (2014) , but player of the century if that ever to exist.

EDIT : Great List ! I enjoyed the read , thank you TL writers !



Please do not forget about mvp so easily ;P


Mvp is in wcs eu =/

I think he is saying Mvp will win EU every season then win Worlds
edit: whoops didnt see that you already clarified that XD, still I wouldnt mind if my scenario happened either
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Evenshade
Profile Joined July 2013
131 Posts
February 08 2014 08:05 GMT
#84
Couldn't agree more with those Dear awards. Not much of a "protoss fan" myself, but the way he played and won back to back championsips was something you can't forget that easily. He won't bore you with constant turtling or overly gimmicky plays. He is amazing!
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
February 08 2014 08:17 GMT
#85
In after "omg liquid bias"

I don't agree with our korean weekly bonjwa overlord being the player of 2013 but oh well
GuiBz
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada108 Posts
February 08 2014 08:29 GMT
#86
Startegie of year: Hell Bat drop?

bitch pleaseeeeeee
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
February 08 2014 08:35 GMT
#87
What the hell was that Broken Promises write up..
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
GoodSirTets
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada200 Posts
February 08 2014 08:35 GMT
#88
I really don't think taeja was the korean player of the year after not playing in a single korean tournament... Soulkey 4 lyfe
High Diamond/ Low Masters :^)
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
February 08 2014 09:01 GMT
#89
Yay TaeJa. Very deserved awards for him.
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
February 08 2014 09:04 GMT
#90
I agree with all the awards I believe, biggest contention is probably for player of the year but I think Taeja is fairly obvious.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
February 08 2014 09:06 GMT
#91
I agree with the Game of the Year award soooo much. But I want to add that that game have another winner apart from Taeja and Innovation, and that's the observer. In that near hour long game (ingame minutes), the observer did not miss man things of importance, and that's a god damn feat I tell you.

So, mad props to the man observing that game as well!
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
r691175002
Profile Joined October 2012
249 Posts
February 08 2014 09:07 GMT
#92
Has there ever been a best foreigner Terran?

Terran is simply not competitive at the foreigner skill level.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
February 08 2014 09:08 GMT
#93
I still believe Happy deserves the award for foreign terran. Yes, his performance wasn't that great, but he still was the best. And he playes terran ffs, cut him some slack!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
February 08 2014 09:11 GMT
#94
Maybe it would make more sense for VR/Zealot in PvZ to be the strategy of the year. It did revolutionise the entire matchup and it was never patched out of existance but branched into different and complex builds.
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
February 08 2014 09:15 GMT
#95
I am glad there is no unnecessary naniwa hate in this thread.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 09:16:14
February 08 2014 09:15 GMT
#96
Also the drama stuff is very silly. It's common knowledge that three things are needed to blow things out of proportion:

a) well known personalities at fault
b) the unwillingness of those people to admit they screwed up
c) the amount of money involved

Regarding the quantic: I at least never heard of that Simon guy before - and considering how that guy hides from the public, he seems to know that he screwed up majorly, so (a) and (b) are not satisfied.
malady
Profile Joined November 2010
United States600 Posts
February 08 2014 09:22 GMT
#97
I dunno about player of the year..

but whatevs
dumchu
Abradix1
Profile Joined November 2012
Netherlands609 Posts
February 08 2014 09:26 GMT
#98
Soulkey/Maru/Innovation for player of the year for sho.
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 09:29:25
February 08 2014 09:28 GMT
#99
I dont want to sound like Demuslim but there is pretty strong liquid bias here, TaeJa over Innovation/maru, trying to compare MVPs godmode gsl runs with TaeJa grabbing a bunch of foreign tournaments? Also someone made a pretty strongly worded post on the drama thing on Reddit:


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I just want to break down this piece of shit piece written by tree-hugger.
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I earned a lot of negative Reddit karma on this one when it blew up, so I appreciate Wax assigning me an additional opportunity to make people dislike me more. What a friend.

Fuck you. Get on with your point.

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Realtalk. The SC2 scene primarily consists of three groups: volunteers, people working second jobs, and people who have no clue what they are doing. These people are smeared across three plus continents and a good number of time zones. Naturally, things get screwed up on a regular basis.


Awesome, such is every industry that is growing or new. Esports is no exception, entirely agree with this.

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Sometimes things don't happen on time, sometimes they're done poorly, and sometimes they're done straight up wrong. Running around in this fog of ineptitude are a few dedicated folks who are constantly putting out fires. It's due to these people that the vast majority of fuck ups in the esports scene don't make it out to the community.


...Cool I guess? I mean... this isn't unique to esports?
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Unfortunately, sometimes these failures do make it out to the wider public. Usually there's some public meltdown on TL or Reddit and things get solved eventually.


Yeah, after you guys screw up and leak the 'problem', it's us that has a meltdown. It's not the person that is so emotionally distraught and has a breakdown which causes that person to end up venting to someone NOT involved with the problem that ends up leaking it, it's the public meltdown that the community has.

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It's terribly imperfect, but such is life when up to 40% of consumers refuse to make esports a more stable industry. You get what you pay for.


I agree, it sucks that adblock exists, and it sucks even worse that twitch, and various other streaming services fail to provide basic support for advertisements. How about the tiny problem about ads ignoring volume levels, containing inappropriate scenes, replaying constantly, streams failing to load afterwards, and many other 'issues' that have not been fixed for years. Watching advertisements is ideally meant to entertain, educate and to be an enjoyable experience. The current streaming platforms are the epitome of the opposite. Adblock for some people is not a choice, it's a necessity due to lack of support and poor business sense.
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But late in 2013, it was the general incompetence of the esports community as a whole that took center stage.

YOU NAILED IT TREE HUGGER. OUR FUCKING INCOMPETENCE WAS CENTER STAGE IN 2013.

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Big names were called out for having perpetrated a fraud on the esports community. Pitchforks were lit on fire. Conspiracy theories were hatched. /r/starcraft merged with /r/politics. "Broken promises" became the words on everybody's lips.


I don't really need to address this shitpost of a paragraph. It's just a windup for the next bit of vitriol.
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The esports "old boys club" quickly responded from their gilded thrones. The documentary made by people who had no documentary making experience came out late.


Yeah reddit, you guys are so fucking impatient. You don't understand that your reaction should have been to shut the fuck up and let Artosis, Tasteless and his best friend (and colleagues that appeared in the documentary) steal $40,000 (MINIMUM) from the community. You should have fucking known that the documentary (which failed to communicate at all, and has still NOT fulfilled it's kickstarter promises) would be released just a couple of years late, after being bought out and all footage re-editted by Tumba and his joke agency.
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The long promised showmatch was held on the exact day that it had been scheduled for long ago.

I assume you are referring to Pizza.gg, which once again, was delayed several times. If you want to be a fucking lying cunt, at least try to make a lie that can't be disputed. Incontrol was forced to defend both organizations (as a player, not even someone that had control over the schedule) publicly and risk his reputation and brand so that TL can save face.

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The repercussions were clear. No longer would the esports elite be allowed to take the community's money without delivering on their promises in a timely fashion. Fucking got'em.


Are you... disappointed about this? Like...are you actually fucking seriously mad that you can't simply take money, and hold yourself to a schedule? Are you that incompetent, incapable and negligent that you can't adhere to basic life practices. Are you stating that your/esports elite's word is that meaningless and futile that it should not be held accountable and questioned when it is not consistent?

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Of course, when it turned out that another esports organization was actually defrauding their players and staff to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars, those who had cried the loudest about the epidemic of "broken promises" were nowhere to be found. And neither was the guy who actually committed the fraud as well. Probably because he didn't care enough about his work and the community to stick around, apologize, and make it right.


Right. There was no 'uproar' that lasted for days. There was no $8,000 that went to Hyun for support. There were no issues at all. We were entirely silent. Did you need Richard Lewis to write an article about the issue to satisfy your needs?

I honestly hope that these are not your true views, tree-hugger, and that you are just scapegoating to try to rewrite history on the ethical lows of the figureheads of SC2 in 2013.


Pretty strong feelings about this years awards for sure, did tree key reddits car or some shit?
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
February 08 2014 09:30 GMT
#100
Taeja? Ehh...
Maegi
Profile Joined January 2013
Finland174 Posts
February 08 2014 09:34 GMT
#101
Naniwa <3
NaNiwa <3
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
February 08 2014 09:34 GMT
#102
This looks exy! Thanks!
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
February 08 2014 09:42 GMT
#103
i feel like some of these were made to generate... let's say 'heated discussion'. international terran of the year "not awarded" being the prime example. yes, none of them did amazingly, but it's really disrespectful to say nobody deserved this award like there aren't any that tried. it's also not difficult to give it to Happy and justify it, so that's not an argument either. whatever. giving Naniwa most entertaining player is also just asking for a flamewar. then give everything you can nominate him for to Taeja and then act like you're surprised when people say "lol Liquid bias".

i enjoyed most of the list though and clearly a lot of work went into this. good job overall.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
February 08 2014 09:45 GMT
#104
I like awards and I like to read, so that's cool. But I'm not feeling Taeja, hugger and "conical" damage.
And Happy is best.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 08 2014 09:56 GMT
#105
iVoteKick is an idiot, i wouldn't pay attention to him
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Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 10:15:49
February 08 2014 09:59 GMT
#106
On February 08 2014 18:56 opterown wrote:
iVoteKick is an idiot, i wouldn't pay attention to him


His opinions are shared by many, as his post on reddit proves with people gifting him reddit gold for it, while being upvoted to the top, and he does call tree out on the more disingenuous stuff, which is great.
Nocturna_
Profile Joined September 2012
France11 Posts
February 08 2014 10:00 GMT
#107
lol @Taeja
you just forgot how innovation was dominant in the whole 2013 year
ffrozenfish
Profile Joined May 2011
820 Posts
February 08 2014 10:11 GMT
#108
Wow Taeja won 5 majors last year. That was a surprise.
Give us our snipe back - Ghost
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
February 08 2014 10:21 GMT
#109
On February 08 2014 19:00 Nocturna_ wrote:
lol @Taeja
you just forgot how innovation was dominant in the whole 2013 year

As good as Innovation was, he was hardly dominant for the entire year (Mainly for S1), and he had a lot of his tournament runs ended by TaeJa himself.
Zygno
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria276 Posts
February 08 2014 10:21 GMT
#110
I already thought there would be no TL awards this year. :p
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
February 08 2014 10:25 GMT
#111
nice Enjoyed reading about the reasons for why each nomnination was given. Grats to all the players!
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ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 10:29:35
February 08 2014 10:29 GMT
#112
On February 08 2014 14:28 Shellshock wrote:
I feel like Maru at least deserved a mention for player of the year though. he's not even listed in the nominees even though he won OSL and got top 4 at WCS KR S3, S3 finals, and Blizzcon. he was the only terran player to win a series against a toss at Blizzcon and in 2 of the tournaments he got knocked out by the champion.

He played against MC and almost got knocked out by DuckDeok, top 4 when he played against them isn't very impressive.
Go TAEJA
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
February 08 2014 10:29 GMT
#113
This is an awesome write-up, perfect for looking back at 2013, thanks so much <3
Get off my lawn, young punks
Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
February 08 2014 10:31 GMT
#114
Thank you for this, it was a nice read
TheFlexN
Profile Joined March 2012
Israel472 Posts
February 08 2014 10:33 GMT
#115
Taejaaaa!! Obvious awesome player of the year, played so well its amazing.
An Esports fan, playing SC2 and LoL because they are fun. Huge fan of mapmaking, Cloud Kingdom = best map ever made EVER.
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
February 08 2014 10:38 GMT
#116
Nice read! I'm not sure if TaeJa is the best of the best, but it is such small things who keep the players apart so it doesn't matter
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
February 08 2014 10:40 GMT
#117
taeja player of the year...
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 08 2014 10:40 GMT
#118
Nice read ! Dont agree with the choice of Taeja as player of the year and him as best terran is disputable but I also understand why he won it.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 08 2014 10:45 GMT
#119
On February 08 2014 19:29 ANLProbe wrote:
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On February 08 2014 14:28 Shellshock wrote:
I feel like Maru at least deserved a mention for player of the year though. he's not even listed in the nominees even though he won OSL and got top 4 at WCS KR S3, S3 finals, and Blizzcon. he was the only terran player to win a series against a toss at Blizzcon and in 2 of the tournaments he got knocked out by the champion.

He played against MC and almost got knocked out by DuckDeok, top 4 when he played against them isn't very impressive.

the same duckdeok that beat out innovation
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ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
February 08 2014 10:52 GMT
#120
On February 08 2014 19:45 opterown wrote:
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On February 08 2014 19:29 ANLProbe wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:28 Shellshock wrote:
I feel like Maru at least deserved a mention for player of the year though. he's not even listed in the nominees even though he won OSL and got top 4 at WCS KR S3, S3 finals, and Blizzcon. he was the only terran player to win a series against a toss at Blizzcon and in 2 of the tournaments he got knocked out by the champion.

He played against MC and almost got knocked out by DuckDeok, top 4 when he played against them isn't very impressive.

the same duckdeok that beat out innovation


With broken blink all ins, only 1 game was legit and he pretty much meta'd Innovation as Innovation wouldn't have expected him to play ultra greedy after all inning every other game.
Go TAEJA
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
February 08 2014 10:56 GMT
#121
Nice write up.I agree with almost all of the awards. YayTaeja!
All I do is Stim.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
February 08 2014 11:00 GMT
#122
"...a quietly charismatic, mostly well liked yet provocative player like Acer.Scarlett."

Quite the funny little review. lol
why even
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 11:04:14
February 08 2014 11:03 GMT
#123
On February 08 2014 19:52 ANLProbe wrote:
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On February 08 2014 19:45 opterown wrote:
On February 08 2014 19:29 ANLProbe wrote:
On February 08 2014 14:28 Shellshock wrote:
I feel like Maru at least deserved a mention for player of the year though. he's not even listed in the nominees even though he won OSL and got top 4 at WCS KR S3, S3 finals, and Blizzcon. he was the only terran player to win a series against a toss at Blizzcon and in 2 of the tournaments he got knocked out by the champion.

He played against MC and almost got knocked out by DuckDeok, top 4 when he played against them isn't very impressive.

the same duckdeok that beat out innovation


With broken blink all ins, only 1 game was legit and he pretty much meta'd Innovation as Innovation wouldn't have expected him to play ultra greedy after all inning every other game.

a win's a win ;D maru was able to better handle duckdeok than bogus
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
February 08 2014 11:04 GMT
#124
Needs more Bomber.

The Bomber boy
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
February 08 2014 11:08 GMT
#125
I'd have to say Naniwa, Scarlett, and Innovation matches have been the most meaningful to me, feeling a lot more significant than other wins and losses.

Naniwa and Scarlett were basically the only foreigners, so any wins that they got were pretty important, especially towards the end when people were hoping for at least ONE foreign victory.

Innovation's matches, on the other hand, were mostly meaningful because of his incredible consistency towards the end of 2012 and early 2013. Then, the Soulkey vs Innovation finals, which was probably one of the hardest things for me to watch ever. And then him ez'ing sOs in one of the season finals soon after.

Also, I agree with basically ever award up there, but I'd probably put Innovation vs Soulkey rivalry above JD vs championships, as humorous as that one is.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
February 08 2014 11:10 GMT
#126
I agree with most of the stuff.

Naniwa qualifying for Blizzcon should have made him the winner in the Nani vs Scarlett chart. Blizzcon was what everyone was fighting for in 2013. But Nani won the Player of the years award anyway so whatever.

The Drama award was just stupid.
bartus88
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands491 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 11:13:57
February 08 2014 11:11 GMT
#127
I agree with most of this, except for 2 things.

There is absolutely now way that Taeja is player of the year. Yes he won some decent tournaments, but he didn't even get to the finals of one of the big events, let alone win them. In season 1 he played GSL and didn't even get past Ro16. In season 2 of WCS he switched to NA and had good results, but obviously played lesser players than the previous season. In season 3, he got knocked out in the Ro16. In Blizzcon, he didn't even get past the first round. These are the tournaments that mattered the most, were competition was the hardest.

Taeja is an amazing player that had a great year, but it is quite obvious that he failed to impress in the big leagues. The comparison with Mvp is a really bad one, since Mvp did manage to win the biggest and hardest tournaments, you can't compare a DH with a GSL. How you can give him the player of the year award is a mystery to me. There is no denying that there is some strong bias going on.

Second, I really hate to say it, but I'm on reddit's side with the drama thing.
Random master race
ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
February 08 2014 11:16 GMT
#128
On February 08 2014 20:11 bartus88 wrote:
I agree with most of this, but there is absolutely now way that Taeja is player of the year. Yes he won some decent tournaments, but he didn't even get to the finals of one of the big events, let alone win them. In season 1 he played GSL and didn't even get past Ro16. In season 2 of WCS he switched to NA and had good results, but obviously played lesser players than the previous season. In season 3, he got knocked out in the Ro16. In Blizzcon, he didn't even get past the first round. These are the tournaments that mattered the most, were competition was the hardest.

Taeja is an amazing player that had a great year, but it is quite obvious that he failed to impress in the big leagues. The comparison with Mvp is a really bad one, since Mvp did manage to win the biggest and hardest tournaments, you can't compare a DH with a GSL. How you can give him the player of the year award is a mystery to me. There is no denying that there is some strong bias going on.


One thing you missed is that in the last WOL GSL he was the last non-zerg and came 3rd (he lost to the overall winner) with wrist injuries and beat Soulkey in the Ro8 the season before Soulkey won the GSL. And he did stomp in the WCS season finals beating Innovation, crushing Rain and came the closest to beating Bomber in Bombers best MU by far.
Go TAEJA
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
February 08 2014 11:20 GMT
#129
i agree with all the winners, but would've liked to see stardust atleast nominated for breakout player

but maybe that's just bias speaking
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 08 2014 11:28 GMT
#130
On February 08 2014 20:10 Necosarius wrote:
I agree with most of the stuff.

Naniwa qualifying for Blizzcon should have made him the winner in the Nani vs Scarlett chart. Blizzcon was what everyone was fighting for in 2013. But Nani won the Player of the years award anyway so whatever.

The Drama award was just stupid.


Naniwa made it to Blizzcon due to his participation and success in non WCS events. Scarlett did better in WCS events and participated in other tournaments after Blizzcon.
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bartus88
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands491 Posts
February 08 2014 11:30 GMT
#131
On February 08 2014 20:16 ANLProbe wrote:
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On February 08 2014 20:11 bartus88 wrote:
I agree with most of this, but there is absolutely now way that Taeja is player of the year. Yes he won some decent tournaments, but he didn't even get to the finals of one of the big events, let alone win them. In season 1 he played GSL and didn't even get past Ro16. In season 2 of WCS he switched to NA and had good results, but obviously played lesser players than the previous season. In season 3, he got knocked out in the Ro16. In Blizzcon, he didn't even get past the first round. These are the tournaments that mattered the most, were competition was the hardest.

Taeja is an amazing player that had a great year, but it is quite obvious that he failed to impress in the big leagues. The comparison with Mvp is a really bad one, since Mvp did manage to win the biggest and hardest tournaments, you can't compare a DH with a GSL. How you can give him the player of the year award is a mystery to me. There is no denying that there is some strong bias going on.


One thing you missed is that in the last WOL GSL he was the last non-zerg and came 3rd (he lost to the overall winner) with wrist injuries and beat Soulkey in the Ro8 the season before Soulkey won the GSL. And he did stomp in the WCS season finals beating Innovation, crushing Rain and came the closest to beating Bomber in Bombers best MU by far.

I said he is an amazing player that had a great year. The things you state still don't change the fact that if you want to call someone player of the year, he needs better results in the big leagues. But by the way you tried to find excuses, I think it's safe to assume you are a Taeja fan and will disagree with me anyway.
Random master race
uThermal
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands165 Posts
February 08 2014 11:32 GMT
#132
taeja player of the year xD
Team Liquid
PDizzle
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark1754 Posts
February 08 2014 11:34 GMT
#133
taeja being player of the year

what a surprise !
BerryCruncH
Profile Joined October 2012
13 Posts
February 08 2014 11:37 GMT
#134
Wow, maru got shafted real bad. After the insane year he had? Considering the fact that taeja hasnt even been playing in korea how can he possibly get korean player of the year? Sorry no disrespect but that was some strong bias/favoritism.
QuixoticO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands810 Posts
February 08 2014 11:41 GMT
#135
Great write up. #PoltBestForeigner. Miss you STX <3.
"Suum Cuique" - Cicero
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
February 08 2014 11:42 GMT
#136
Great rewards, great write-ups <3
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
February 08 2014 11:43 GMT
#137
well yeah taeja got a bit too much here but thanks for reminding me of the good times watching sc2 =)
Alex007
Profile Joined December 2010
Ukraine211 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 11:44:13
February 08 2014 11:43 GMT
#138
Ahahaha, TaeJa as a player and a terran of the year... Poor iNnoVation xD TL Awards unbiased as always!
It's such a shame to call some guy the best player or the year, when he reached just a semifinal in just one season of the poorest and weakest region of WCS, performed worse then Bomber on the only season finals he reacned and lost his first match on Blizzcon...
Fanboys, fanboys everywhere.

It was really nice to read the whole staff, but some things are making this write-up to look so stupid =/
Senior Product Manager for ESL SC2 Pro Tour
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
February 08 2014 11:46 GMT
#139
On February 08 2014 14:07 opterown wrote:
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On February 08 2014 13:51 xsnac wrote:
meh , is cool when @ zerg you put soulkey wich is the BEST yet @ terrans you put taeja instead of innovation or bomber.

bomber wat



if s2 replays would have not been released bomber would be TOP now.
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 08 2014 11:51 GMT
#140
replays aren't all that important when studying a player since you get all the timings from VODs anyway since the spectator interface is so good
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Nightwishone
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy391 Posts
February 08 2014 12:02 GMT
#141
Yeah TaeJa! :D
TaeJa IS a bonjwa. TLO - Scarlett - Snute - MaNa - HerO - TeamLiquid fighting!
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
February 08 2014 12:03 GMT
#142
Dat Naniwa hype, most awards! Next time it'll be all of them :D And it's nice that you don't disregard him for his controversy. Also, I agree with most of this, though maybe I thought Soulkey was more of a player of the year. And thank god for picking the skill map over the hype map for map(match) of the year!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 08 2014 12:05 GMT
#143
Poll: TaeJa as player of the year?

Definitely not! (68)
 
64%

I can understand (21)
 
20%

Definitely deserved! (17)
 
16%

106 total votes

Your vote: TaeJa as player of the year?

(Vote): Definitely not!
(Vote): I can understand
(Vote): Definitely deserved!

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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 14:07:48
February 08 2014 12:07 GMT
#144
no best foreign terrna lol, great great write up

Edit: Didn't read the drama award part at first, because well, it's drama. Now that I read it, I have to say I don't like that part at all.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
February 08 2014 12:15 GMT
#145
I'm sorry but the worst drama category is stupid on it's own but actually having Broken Promises as the worst makes this whole list just a big joke.

Comparing it to the Quantic incident is just another great way to completely flush it down the toilet.
The curse is real
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
February 08 2014 12:18 GMT
#146
I wanna give to millonarios, the taeja award for the "best" football team of the world in 2013.
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 08 2014 12:23 GMT
#147
Thought about it and I reaaaaaly dont agree with Taeja winning terran and player of the year award.
Thought the yearly review writeups of the previous years better.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 08 2014 12:32 GMT
#148
Nice write up, but need to remember this is TeamLiquid No way Taeja gets top player over Innovation, Soulkey, Dear and Maru. On that note, where's Maru in the 'breakout' category? He went from son of MKP (not the highest honour) to the new Flash in 2013. That's a pretty damn big breakout.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
February 08 2014 12:34 GMT
#149
On February 08 2014 21:05 opterown wrote:
Poll: TaeJa as player of the year?

Definitely not! (68)
 
64%

I can understand (21)
 
20%

Definitely deserved! (17)
 
16%

106 total votes

Your vote: TaeJa as player of the year?

(Vote): Definitely not!
(Vote): I can understand
(Vote): Definitely deserved!


For one thing if there are five equal candidates then the winning player can never win this poll as there will be 80% who disagree with it. It's an extremely poor way of measuring whether it was deserved. If you're making polls it should have all your options for player of the year and then see who comes out, which is what gosugamers did and TaeJa won that.

This stuff about TL and bias is just so fucking dumb though. The simplest way to show this is that TaeJa won player of the year at onGamers and gosugamers. In the end different people have different ways of coming to their own player of the year. Not agreeing with a choice shouldn't lead to claims of bias if there's nothing else to back that up. I'm not even sure if I agree with TaeJa being player of the year, and there's definitely not some power within TL that is telling writers how it has to be.
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 12:41:25
February 08 2014 12:38 GMT
#150
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).

No one who didn't even qualify for Blizzcon has any business being in any player of the year discussions.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 12:45:00
February 08 2014 12:41 GMT
#151
if there are 5 equal candidates who are actually equal then most people should be voting "i can understand" rather than "definitely not" which suggests there were clearly better choices

i'm pretty sure i posted some poll a while ago for #1 player and soulkey won that pretty handily, though it obviously has less exposure

knowing staff, i believe TL writers are not biased to the TL pro team, and i've never said otherwise, so don't interpret this as anything more than my personal disagreement with taeja as player of the year, i don't know why you've taken my post as so, fyi i voted 'i can understand'
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Storm-Giant
Profile Joined March 2012
Spain416 Posts
February 08 2014 12:42 GMT
#152
TaeJa winning TL awards, how surprising ~_~

It could be argued Best T award, but BEST PLAYER OF THE YEAR? What a joke, Soulkey was much, much better than him all the year...
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TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
February 08 2014 12:42 GMT
#153
Taeja doesnt even play in Korea, how do you pick team of the year for a team that disbanded that year and Innovation should've been Terran of the year.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 08 2014 12:42 GMT
#154
On February 08 2014 21:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).


I dno Kev
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MysterySC
Profile Joined October 2012
Andorra109 Posts
February 08 2014 12:43 GMT
#155
Likethe write up but Taeja really doesn't deserve best player... Imagine if soulkey or innovation could have afforded to go to every international tourney...
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 08 2014 12:44 GMT
#156
On February 08 2014 21:42 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 21:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).


I dno Kev

well a lot of those are OPs that wax have in the writer's forum ;p
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 12:46:23
February 08 2014 12:45 GMT
#157
On February 08 2014 21:41 opterown wrote:
if there are 5 equal candidates who are actually equal then most people should be voting "i can understand" rather than "definitely not" which suggests there were clearly better choices

i'm pretty sure i posted some poll a while ago for #1 player and soulkey won that pretty handily, though it obviously has less exposure

knowing staff, i believe TL writers are not biased to the TL pro team, and i've never said otherwise, so don't interpret this as anything more than my personal disagreement with taeja as player of the year, i don't know why you've taken my post as so

My post isn't aimed at you specifically. I don't think peoples voting behavior is the way you say it is though. Most people believe their choice is the clear #1 and five equal candidates is a measurement across a larger group of people.
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WhizPower
Profile Joined June 2013
Netherlands33 Posts
February 08 2014 12:50 GMT
#158
Pretty good list overall but I don't see how you can justify Taeja winning player of the year over Soulkey. They don't even really try to in the article, saying "he wasn't as consistent as Soulkey" but never giving a good reason why Taeja would be #1 instead of him.
aoe2fan
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden700 Posts
February 08 2014 12:55 GMT
#159
Teaja winning everything is bullshit, not a single WCS win
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 08 2014 12:57 GMT
#160
On February 08 2014 21:32 Ghanburighan wrote:
Nice write up, but need to remember this is TeamLiquid No way Taeja gets top player over Innovation, Soulkey, Dear and Maru. On that note, where's Maru in the 'breakout' category? He went from son of MKP (not the highest honour) to the new Flash in 2013. That's a pretty damn big breakout.

eh maru was pretty decent always, kind of like untapped potential, he was pretty close to making RO8 in his first code S and all-killed startale + had some really memorable games before the OSL. plus anyone that followed the maru fanclub knew that he was #1GM many months prior to his OSL ;p
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 12:59:42
February 08 2014 12:58 GMT
#161
If any of you actually knew TL writers you'd know that bias didn't feature into any of the awards at all. I guess Gosugamers and onGamers are massively TL biased as well then if that's the argument being made here.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 08 2014 13:00 GMT
#162
On February 08 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If any of you actually knew TL writers you'd know that bias didn't feature into any of the awards at all. I guess Gosugamers and onGamers are massively TL biased as well then.

i still demand a feature when hero wins every award, like #1 best player to broodlord infestor against in WoL ;p
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dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
February 08 2014 13:01 GMT
#163
On February 08 2014 21:50 WhizPower wrote:
Pretty good list overall but I don't see how you can justify Taeja winning player of the year over Soulkey. They don't even really try to in the article, saying "he wasn't as consistent as Soulkey" but never giving a good reason why Taeja would be #1 instead of him.

ongamers and other sites gave the reason as Taeja won the most tournaments.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
February 08 2014 13:02 GMT
#164
On February 08 2014 22:00 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 21:58 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If any of you actually knew TL writers you'd know that bias didn't feature into any of the awards at all. I guess Gosugamers and onGamers are massively TL biased as well then.

i still demand a feature when hero wins every award, like #1 best player to broodlord infestor against in WoL ;p


Sometime in the future I'll do do a biased award so people actually see what bias looks like.

(spoiler: HerO wins all of them)
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
February 08 2014 13:03 GMT
#165
Taeja has won the most tournaments and has had consistently the highest performance if you consider the whole year (as opposed to Dear who rose only later in 2013, Innovation who had a big dip after hellbat nerf etc).
So there is definitely a strong reason to pick Taeja as best player of the year, even though I personally would have gone with one of the GSL winners too, just because I value that title so highly. I don't see any TL bias here, don't be unfair guys just because your favorite maybe was deserving as well!
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 08 2014 13:08 GMT
#166
On February 08 2014 22:03 ACrow wrote:
Taeja has won the most tournaments and has had consistently the highest performance if you consider the whole year (as opposed to Dear who rose only later in 2013, Innovation who had a big dip after hellbat nerf etc).
So there is definitely a strong reason to pick Taeja as best player of the year, even though I personally would have gone with one of the GSL winners too, just because I value that title so highly. I don't see any TL bias here, don't be unfair guys just because your favorite maybe was deserving as well!

3 of them were not really stacked though, i mean i love HSC, but cmon let's be real now^^
And looking at the Asus path of taeja, this wasn't really hard either...
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Belgica34432 Posts
February 08 2014 13:10 GMT
#167
Nice list. Don't agree with a bunch of things, but opinions are opinions.

Good read tho
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Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom56 Posts
February 08 2014 13:11 GMT
#168
TaeJa was easily the most exciting player to watch this year Vs Rain and Vs Innovation in WCS S2 Finals were my personal highlight games of the year.
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baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1092 Posts
February 08 2014 13:16 GMT
#169
Not going to lie when I first read the 'worst drama' section I thought it was all sarcasm. Dissapointed to discover it's not... And comparing Taeja's wins to MVP's GSL's is pretty funny though
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February 08 2014 13:29 GMT
#170
On February 08 2014 21:57 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 21:32 Ghanburighan wrote:
Nice write up, but need to remember this is TeamLiquid No way Taeja gets top player over Innovation, Soulkey, Dear and Maru. On that note, where's Maru in the 'breakout' category? He went from son of MKP (not the highest honour) to the new Flash in 2013. That's a pretty damn big breakout.

eh maru was pretty decent always, kind of like untapped potential, he was pretty close to making RO8 in his first code S and all-killed startale + had some really memorable games before the OSL. plus anyone that followed the maru fanclub knew that he was #1GM many months prior to his OSL ;p


You're making my point for me. His OSL was in August 2013 But that might be your intent anyway.
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Aiomon
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada39 Posts
February 08 2014 13:32 GMT
#171
Hell yeah, I was at the best NA tournament!! COME BACK TO CANADA!!
bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
February 08 2014 13:37 GMT
#172
Poll: Taeja vs Maru Bo7. Who wins?

Maru (30)
 
70%

Taeja (12)
 
28%

Hard to tell (1)
 
2%

43 total votes

Your vote: Taeja vs Maru Bo7. Who wins?

(Vote): Taeja
(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Hard to tell

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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 08 2014 13:42 GMT
#173
That poll is more than useless :D
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 08 2014 13:44 GMT
#174
How about we just have this poll?

Poll: Player of the Year 2013?

Soulkey (33)
 
59%

TaeJa (10)
 
18%

INnoVation (8)
 
14%

Jaedong (3)
 
5%

Dear (1)
 
2%

sOs (1)
 
2%

other (explain) (0)
 
0%

56 total votes

Your vote: Player of the Year 2013?

(Vote): Dear
(Vote): INnoVation
(Vote): Jaedong
(Vote): sOs
(Vote): Soulkey
(Vote): TaeJa
(Vote): other (explain)



Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
February 08 2014 13:46 GMT
#175
I am not worthy.
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
February 08 2014 13:48 GMT
#176
Nice write up, thanks!
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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
February 08 2014 13:52 GMT
#177
Taeja had a good year but comparing it to Mvp's 2011 is a joke.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
February 08 2014 13:52 GMT
#178
All that reddit hate. So delicious.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
February 08 2014 13:55 GMT
#179
i mean i can see the argument for Taeja as best player though (even though i disagree, make it most successful player and it's him).

i'm more irritated by the fact they gave nobody the international terran award. it's fine to say terrans outside of Korea didn't really do all that well in 2013, but giving nobody this award makes it sound like TL is just disregarding every single good international terran player that tried their best all year long. it's needlessly disrespectful, just give Happy his award. he was consistent throughout the entire year, had some decent finishes, beat several strong Koreans and showed some very strong play. and the drama stuff is stupid but they have something weird like that every year.
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Tosster
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland299 Posts
February 08 2014 13:57 GMT
#180
Well deserved NaNiwa :D
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
February 08 2014 13:57 GMT
#181
I guess Taeja winning these things will be something I will never understand. More than half of those wins in those mickey mouse tourneys with barely any other top players in them. Comparing it to Mvp when he won 6 tournaments in a year where half of them were against the best of the best in the GSL is quite funny.
wrier
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 14:13:22
February 08 2014 14:08 GMT
#182
I honestly agree with literally every award given this time around, which is a first for TL Awards. This one basically always went to results, because at the end of the day, that's what matters.

I just kind of want to give my 2 cents on this because I spent a lot of time playing/watching SC2 last year. Not as much playing as I would have liked, but that's besides the point.

Best Zerg:

So what if Soulkey did 2 baneling orientated attacks that INnoVatioN was known to be weak against, followed by a strong defense from a proxy 2 rax and then catching INnoVatioN playing risky with a doom drop in the crucial game 7, a win is a win and that's what people remember. Soulkey won WCS Korea Season 1 and WCG 2014 (which has an insane Korean Qualifier, pretty much worthy of winning any premier event or at least getting recognition near that respect). He has also never not made it to a Ro8 in Code S since starting, he might surpass the Nestea award by getting 10 consecutive Ro8's, and at this point in his career, I wouldn't call someone stupid for betting on it.

I know people would argue that Jaedong was better, and it's hard to say I think the TL Writers were wrong with picking Soulkey over Jaedong. Too often I think Soulkey suffers from the same problems as Curious, they both seem to always (Soulkey way more consistently obviously) be able to crush players at any time, and look absolutely convincing doing it. The problem I feel these two have with their games is they don't display anything flashy, they just always have the correct everything when they win. Their defense was unbreakable, their attacks were stronger, their upgrades timed out. I can't really think of a time Soulkey displayed Lifeesque micro or Jaedongesque excitement with crazy strategies, he basically wins with standard SC2 play, even his cheeses are very by the book. The amount of skill that shows that you can basically play normal builds with normal cheeses mixed in here and there, and still crush absolutely anyone in the scene whenever you want just based on pure skill for a whole year? I can't even comprehend how that works. He's my 2nd favorite Zerg behind Jaedong (I know, I pick the most skilled players as my favorites, sue me ), but I think his results deserve more respect in 2013.

Best Terran:

Taeja won 5 championships, he deserved best Terran. I feel that Taeja sort of came out of nowhere in 2013. INnoVatioN looked so dominant in Season 1 by basically brushing off exclusively Code S Finalists/Champions and Tournament Champions/Finalists with superior play, until he fell short in the finals. When INnoVatioN dominated the Season One finals (albeit The King of Wings giving him a run) most people hopped on the INnoVatioN hype train.

I think when he (INnoVatioN) fell to Maru in the Ro4 at the OSL, Taeja then took up the torch as the dominating Terran, because that happened between his HSC VII win and Asus ROG Summer win. Just open their Liquipedia pages side by side and look at the 2013 results, on paper Taeja looks better. INnoVatioN had a dominating period where he looked unstoppable, but he still failed to grab more than 1 championship, even losing one to Taeja. INnoVatioN is my 2nd Favorite Terran, Taeja my 3rd and Maru my 1st, but my bias aside (and my bias against TL being an EG FAN) Taeja was, unquestionably in my eyes, the best Terran in 2013 just by sheer results alone.

Best Protoss:

My opinion on this is much shorter than Zerg and Terran because I have 2 accts I play on mainly, a Gold Zerg and a Terran Silver (I'm terrible I know ), and my Protoss account hasn't been played on in months but is bronze iirc, but I do think Dear deserves it because Protoss was shaky and inconsistent with which players were hot and which were not, but Dear had the hottest streak of them all. To top it off, I feel his streak was ended earlier by Jaedong. Had he gotten past Jaedong I don't think sOs would have been our Blizzcon Champion, I'll put it that way. Follow that by him losing to Rain (who won the whole thing, versus Soulkey of all players in the finals) in the Last Big Match Hot6ix cup in the semi-finals, and getting 2nd at Asus Rog 2 weeks ago? I think we haven't seen the last of Dear yet, unlike other Protoss' this year who looked really hot at times like First, Patience, sOs, etc.

And Best Player should go to Taeja, most Championships in Premier events, he really brought it home this year.

All in all, very good choices in everything, I enjoyed reading it.
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
February 08 2014 14:10 GMT
#183
Best protoss of the year: David Kim.

I kid, don't worry.


Agree mostly, only maybe not with Taeja winning everything because a lot of his tournament wins were against some random foreigners. Nice read anyway.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 08 2014 14:11 GMT
#184
On February 08 2014 22:37 bearhug wrote:
Poll: Taeja vs Maru Bo7. Who wins?

Maru (30)
 
70%

Taeja (12)
 
28%

Hard to tell (1)
 
2%

43 total votes

Your vote: Taeja vs Maru Bo7. Who wins?

(Vote): Taeja
(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Hard to tell


Maru. Easilly. 4-0.
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wrier
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada291 Posts
February 08 2014 14:14 GMT
#185
On February 08 2014 23:11 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 22:37 bearhug wrote:
Poll: Taeja vs Maru Bo7. Who wins?

Maru (30)
 
70%

Taeja (12)
 
28%

Hard to tell (1)
 
2%

43 total votes

Your vote: Taeja vs Maru Bo7. Who wins?

(Vote): Taeja
(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Hard to tell


Maru. Easilly. 4-0.


Heart: Maru 4-3

Head: Taeja 4-1 or 4-2
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
February 08 2014 14:21 GMT
#186
Is tree.hugger serious with his drama award? I mean, he can't seriously argue that it was wrong to point out the mistakes of SoS etc. They promised something and it didn't happen and they did communicate properly at all. In case of SC2 and the ROOT house they took money directly from the community. Pizza.gg is a bit of a different case, but still for example the showmatch. Post by Hot_Bid after all tiers were reached:
On May 24 2013 07:05 Hot_Bid wrote:
Tiers 6 & 8 (Cross-Game Showmatches, iNcontroL/TLO Switching Teams, Liquid/EG Showmatch): Since many players in all games are busy at events this week, we'll be doing these next week after they're all back. We'll make sure you to update you guys when we know exactly when!

The showmatch happenend on September 29th. The communication was bad, it took several reddit threads to always get the same avoiding answers from iNcontroL. You shouldn't be surprised to receive anger and disappointment for something like that.

Also I don't get that sentence:
The repercussions were clear. No longer would the esports elite be allowed to take the community's money without delivering on their promises in a timely fashion. Fucking got'em.

You make it sound like that is a bad thing. Really? People can't expect to get a timely result when they put money or atleast a proper information policy telling them what went wrong and informing them when it will happen? Come on, you can't be serious on that one. I'm honestly a bit shocked that such a prominent/important member of the TL organisation would publish such an ignorant article.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 08 2014 14:23 GMT
#187
I honestly don't know what the drama award is about, does anyone actually care about drama?
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wrier
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 14:25:11
February 08 2014 14:24 GMT
#188
On February 08 2014 15:10 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 14:28 Shellshock wrote:
I feel like Maru at least deserved a mention for player of the year though. he's not even listed in the nominees even though he won OSL and got top 4 at WCS KR S3, S3 finals, and Blizzcon. he was the only terran player to win a series against a toss at Blizzcon and in 2 of the tournaments he got knocked out by the champion.


Agreed. That's my only complaint with this list.


I didn't even notice that. He's probably the best Terran and Player in 2014 so far.
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
February 08 2014 14:27 GMT
#189
On February 08 2014 23:23 Zealously wrote:
I honestly don't know what the drama award is about, does anyone actually care about drama?

tree.hugger apparently does
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
February 08 2014 14:33 GMT
#190
On February 08 2014 23:23 Zealously wrote:
I honestly don't know what the drama award is about, does anyone actually care about drama?

You don't check reddit often, do you?
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 14:39:26
February 08 2014 14:35 GMT
#191
On February 08 2014 23:27 Serinox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 23:23 Zealously wrote:
I honestly don't know what the drama award is about, does anyone actually care about drama?

tree.hugger apparently does


Now this will sound mean, but I do feel very strongly about this. In a year where that Simon guy effectively stole more than $20k from Hyun and Quantic, where Sons of Starcraft took more than $40k and sat around, etc. treehugger apparently thinks the worst thing to happen was the community getting upset and demanding accountability? Is he a fool?

One of the reasons why the scene has so many issues is because there is not enough professionalism and accountability, and demanding that tournament organizers, teams and content producers have a level of basic professionalism is wrong? At best, this is blatant ignorance, and it hurts the scene when people can't call people like Simon out on stealing money without being mocked for "pitchforking".

Treehugger needs to stick with what he is good at, and that's writing Liquid hype articles, and not talk about things like this.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 08 2014 14:38 GMT
#192
lol totally thought you meant the player sOs at first because so many people write his ID as SoS and I was like what's wrong with his winning prize money!? but then I was like... oh.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2014 14:39 GMT
#193
On February 08 2014 23:38 Shellshock wrote:
lol totally thought you meant the player sOs at first because so many people write his ID as SoS and I was like what's wrong with his winning prize money!? but then I was like... oh.


Ah, that's a good point, I'll change it to clear up some ambiguity. Haha, thanks for the catch!
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wrier
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada291 Posts
February 08 2014 14:40 GMT
#194
On February 08 2014 21:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).

No one who didn't even qualify for Blizzcon has any business being in any player of the year discussions.

Taeja was at Blizzcon, lost to Dear on the 2nd Stream.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
February 08 2014 14:46 GMT
#195
Great read!
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
February 08 2014 14:47 GMT
#196
wtf, rOrO got best award by gom, how is he not the no. one player of the year?
so biased, do you even korea?
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 08 2014 14:47 GMT
#197
Here we go again with people complaining about awards given for fun.
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
February 08 2014 14:50 GMT
#198
On February 08 2014 23:47 Darkhoarse wrote:
Here we go again with people complaining about awards given for fun.


Can't make everyone happy
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Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
February 08 2014 14:51 GMT
#199
On February 08 2014 23:40 wrier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 21:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).

No one who didn't even qualify for Blizzcon has any business being in any player of the year discussions.

Taeja was at Blizzcon, lost to Dear on the 2nd Stream.

who was at that point of time still the probably hottest player in the world. also taeja had one of his "how did he win tall those championships with that kind of play?" day.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 08 2014 14:52 GMT
#200
On February 08 2014 23:51 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 23:40 wrier wrote:
On February 08 2014 21:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).

No one who didn't even qualify for Blizzcon has any business being in any player of the year discussions.

Taeja was at Blizzcon, lost to Dear on the 2nd Stream.

who was at that point of time still the probably hottest player in the world. also taeja had one of his "how did he win tall those championships with that kind of play?" day.


He did? I seem to recall Taeja playing fairly well against Dear, he just happened to face the best PvT in the world. Then again, I was dual-streaming at the time so I may be wrong.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 08 2014 14:54 GMT
#201
On February 08 2014 23:51 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 23:40 wrier wrote:
On February 08 2014 21:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).

No one who didn't even qualify for Blizzcon has any business being in any player of the year discussions.

Taeja was at Blizzcon, lost to Dear on the 2nd Stream.

who was at that point of time still the probably hottest player in the world. also taeja had one of his "how did he win tall those championships with that kind of play?" day.

The games were actually pretty good, Dear just had the best PvT in the world bar none at the time. He had just come off beating Maru twice in a row, once again with good games but a seemingly dominant scoreline.
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Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 14:58:10
February 08 2014 14:55 GMT
#202
On February 08 2014 22:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 22:03 ACrow wrote:
Taeja has won the most tournaments and has had consistently the highest performance if you consider the whole year (as opposed to Dear who rose only later in 2013, Innovation who had a big dip after hellbat nerf etc).
So there is definitely a strong reason to pick Taeja as best player of the year, even though I personally would have gone with one of the GSL winners too, just because I value that title so highly. I don't see any TL bias here, don't be unfair guys just because your favorite maybe was deserving as well!

3 of them were not really stacked though, i mean i love HSC, but cmon let's be real now^^
And looking at the Asus path of taeja, this wasn't really hard either...
Winning isn't everything, else some zotac cup (or whatever weekly tournament) winners would be player of the year now

because zotac cups and premier tournamnets are totally comparable

at the higher stages, both asus and HSC get just as hard as tournaments that are mroe stacked, so winning them still accounts a lot.

and both dreamhack titles were 2 of the most stacked events of the year, easily comparable to WCS Korea in terms of skill. and only soulkey and dear won 2 tournaments of that caliber besides taeja, minus his extras.
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
February 08 2014 15:00 GMT
#203
very glad they didnt pick sOs
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Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
February 08 2014 15:02 GMT
#204
On February 08 2014 23:52 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 23:51 Tanzklaue wrote:
On February 08 2014 23:40 wrier wrote:
On February 08 2014 21:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).

No one who didn't even qualify for Blizzcon has any business being in any player of the year discussions.

Taeja was at Blizzcon, lost to Dear on the 2nd Stream.

who was at that point of time still the probably hottest player in the world. also taeja had one of his "how did he win tall those championships with that kind of play?" day.


He did? I seem to recall Taeja playing fairly well against Dear, he just happened to face the best PvT in the world. Then again, I was dual-streaming at the time so I may be wrong.

also @Darkhoarse, if i recall correctly, he had one really good game against Dear and the rest of the games were rather meh. but i probably just look at them as worse as they were because i as a Taeja fanboy couldn't believe how hard Dear beat him
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
February 08 2014 15:04 GMT
#205
Couldn't you have dedicated more than 2 minutes to writing something about broken promises? Still butthurt?
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 08 2014 15:23 GMT
#206
Funny how WCS was meant to find who the best player is. What a miss from Blizzard :p
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ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
February 08 2014 15:32 GMT
#207
On February 09 2014 00:02 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 23:52 Zealously wrote:
On February 08 2014 23:51 Tanzklaue wrote:
On February 08 2014 23:40 wrier wrote:
On February 08 2014 21:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).

No one who didn't even qualify for Blizzcon has any business being in any player of the year discussions.

Taeja was at Blizzcon, lost to Dear on the 2nd Stream.

who was at that point of time still the probably hottest player in the world. also taeja had one of his "how did he win tall those championships with that kind of play?" day.


He did? I seem to recall Taeja playing fairly well against Dear, he just happened to face the best PvT in the world. Then again, I was dual-streaming at the time so I may be wrong.

also @Darkhoarse, if i recall correctly, he had one really good game against Dear and the rest of the games were rather meh. but i probably just look at them as worse as they were because i as a Taeja fanboy couldn't believe how hard Dear beat him

The game on whirlwind taeja gged way too early as he could have won as there was only an archon and a few zealots in his natural but he had a 3rd CC whereas Dear was only on 2 nexus.
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Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
February 08 2014 15:32 GMT
#208
Taeja obviously master race guys come on
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Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
February 08 2014 15:32 GMT
#209
On February 09 2014 00:32 ANLProbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 00:02 Tanzklaue wrote:
On February 08 2014 23:52 Zealously wrote:
On February 08 2014 23:51 Tanzklaue wrote:
On February 08 2014 23:40 wrier wrote:
On February 08 2014 21:38 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
TL has always been crazy biased towards Taeja. They way overhype the "summer of Taeja" too (a phrase used purely by TL writers).

No one who didn't even qualify for Blizzcon has any business being in any player of the year discussions.

Taeja was at Blizzcon, lost to Dear on the 2nd Stream.

who was at that point of time still the probably hottest player in the world. also taeja had one of his "how did he win tall those championships with that kind of play?" day.


He did? I seem to recall Taeja playing fairly well against Dear, he just happened to face the best PvT in the world. Then again, I was dual-streaming at the time so I may be wrong.

also @Darkhoarse, if i recall correctly, he had one really good game against Dear and the rest of the games were rather meh. but i probably just look at them as worse as they were because i as a Taeja fanboy couldn't believe how hard Dear beat him

The game on whirlwind taeja gged way too early as he could have won as there was only an archon and a few zealots in his natural but he had a 3rd CC whereas Dear was only on 2 nexus.

They found out that Soulkey, Dear etc are the best. Not wrong.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 15:44:09
February 08 2014 15:35 GMT
#210
Dissing the broken promises thing is stupid and immature. How hard can it be to admit a wrong. Acting like people didn't care about the Hyun thing is also amazingly stupid as he got beneficial showmatches/tournament with a huge amount of donations from the community to help him because they cared about it. Such a ridiculous write-up.

No foreign terran award is a bit funny but also a bit sad . I agree with the other awards except player of the year which should have been Jaedong!
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
February 08 2014 15:38 GMT
#211
On February 08 2014 23:47 Darkhoarse wrote:
Here we go again with people complaining about awards given for fun.

We shall call it the "2013 drama award"-drama crisis.
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Khyzath
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden1 Post
February 08 2014 15:41 GMT
#212
Good list! However think best player should have gone to Jaedong/Soulkey :p
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2014 15:44 GMT
#213
On February 09 2014 00:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Dissing the broken promises thing is stupid and immature. How hard can it be to admit a wrong. Acting like people didn't care about the Hyun thing is also amazingly stupid as he got beneficial showmatches/tournament with a huge amount of donations from the community to help him because they cared about it. Such a ridiculous write-up.

No foreign terran award is a bit funny but also a bit sad . I agree with the other awards except player of the year.


There was probably a bit of vested interest in that piece. TL and EG both took some flack for the pizza.gg showmatch from the community, and this is probably TL's underhanded way to try to get back at the community.
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kinsky
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany368 Posts
February 08 2014 15:51 GMT
#214
Terran of the year: maybe Taeja - Player of the year: not really Taeja.
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
February 08 2014 15:54 GMT
#215
Great article but bitching about adblock, really? Seemed like it doesn't really fit in an article like this.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
February 08 2014 15:56 GMT
#216
Really good write up enjoyed every bit of it, minus the drama part which I didn't understand (thank goodness I don't visit enough reddit).

I must say I find it amusing how people consider TL biased for voting on Taeja when they themselves don't provide enough support for their fan favorites.

Lets look at the facts, first best terran of the years.
The candidates: Polt, Bomber, Innovation, Maru and Taeja.

First of all, apart from Taeja and Polt, none of the other players have more then 1 championship gold the entire year in a premier tournament. Yes, if you look at the year in review for yeah player you'll see that all of them have had very high placings, frequently making it to semifinals, quarter finals, but only 1 gold medal, which really counts a lot when talking about best player.
At the end of the day consistency is nice and all, but the only thing people will remember years from now is who actually won shit, so with that in mind the list of best terran of the year from Korea is quickly narrowed down to just Taeja vs Polt.

For the purpose of my analysis I'll consider all tournaments equal because, I don't want to start a shit flinging contest by calling out certain players for being inferior to others to prove a point that one player's journey was harder then another.
And for all intents and purposes, their tournament runs where actually quite comparable and balanced in difficulty. Taeja's championship runs in all the tournaments he attended had him go up against numerous Koreans, a lot of them champions in their own right, during both group stages and the playoff parts, and he had to face players of all races and he did so soundly. Yes even at HSC Taeja had to face quite a lot of Koreans, of respectable caliber to reach his gold.
I also have to give Taeja the edge because he played a pivotal role in a lot of TL's team leagues wins while Polt wasn't on a team.

And, if we have to talk about player of the year, very few have actually been as consistent as him during the entirety of the year. Fun fact, Soulkey, Dear, Polt, Life and Taeja are the only players with more then one championship victory last year. SK and Dear with 2 each, Polt and Life with 3 and Taeja with 5.

Yes for all his great consistency in the early part of last year, Innovation only has one gold to his name and lots of top placing finishers, but again, they don't compare to so many golds from other players.
Dear wasn't consistent for all the year, he basically began rising towards the mid to end parts of the year, Soulkey has been indeed consistent with lots of high place finishes and 2 golds, but it still pales in comparison to Polt's 3 and Taeja's 5.

Polt looked extremely strong during his WCS NA wins and MLG run, but looked quite underwhelming in other tournaments he played so his championship winning form was only active for a short while.

Life didn't look at all good last year, despite winning 3 titles, he had periods of extreme vulnerability but every so often he managed to rediscover his championship winning spark and nabbed 3.

Meanwhile Taeja had a very, very long period of time where he looked extremely strong. He was the last terran to make it deep in a WoL GSL, reaching RO4 and losing to the eventual champion RorO, he then had a bit of a downtime and returned in force in summer, where he, again, took championship after championship and looking dominant whenever he won, and still looking extremely strong whenever he lost. Hell, a lot of the players that defeated Taeja also went on win the rest of the tournaments, at least that was the case for RorO, Polt and Bomber, so its not like he lost to scrubs.

For the record I'm not a huge Taeja fan, I wasn't a fan of his style when he first made a splash, in fact I hated it, looked like brute force with no finesse, it looked like he was greedy and people where just letting him get away with it. However, objectively, for his extended period of domination, for his championship winning form and for his 5 gold medals, Taeja is head and shoulders above everyone in 2013.

Again, very funny how people have the nerve to call out TL for being biased when not researching any facts themselves, I bet more then half of them would be shocked at how plain most of their favorite players actually where during the entirety of the year in comparison to Taeja.
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Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 08 2014 16:10 GMT
#217
Great awards. Agree with a lot of them.

So glad I watched 2/3 of the best tournaments of the year live. So awesome.
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
February 08 2014 16:15 GMT
#218
The French was robbed with not even getting their Iron Squid on the list. Now that was a good show.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 08 2014 16:43 GMT
#219
Teamleagues dont factor in enough imo.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2014 17:02 GMT
#220
On February 09 2014 01:43 GumBa wrote:
Teamleagues dont factor in enough imo.


Seconded
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DooMDash
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1015 Posts
February 08 2014 17:08 GMT
#221
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 08 2014 17:15 GMT
#222
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 17:16:55
February 08 2014 17:16 GMT
#223
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385876

Rise of the Protoss next??
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 08 2014 17:17 GMT
#224
On February 09 2014 02:16 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385876

Rise of the Protoss next??


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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 08 2014 17:18 GMT
#225
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point
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Aquila-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
516 Posts
February 08 2014 17:19 GMT
#226
No maru award for beeing last terran standing in so many tournaments
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
February 08 2014 17:27 GMT
#227
On February 08 2014 20:43 Alex007 wrote:
Ahahaha, TaeJa as a player and a terran of the year... Poor iNnoVation xD TL Awards unbiased as always!
It's such a shame to call some guy the best player or the year, when he reached just a semifinal in just one season of the poorest and weakest region of WCS, performed worse then Bomber on the only season finals he reacned and lost his first match on Blizzcon...
Fanboys, fanboys everywhere.

It was really nice to read the whole staff, but some things are making this write-up to look so stupid =/


I agree that Taeja probably doesn't deserve those awards, but Innovation? He won ONE tournament and lost in the first round at Blizzcon. Maru had the best year of the three. OSL champ, semi finalist in season 3, semi finalist at Blizzcon. Taeja won more because he played for Liquid and got to travel everywhere, and I guess losing in the group stage of the first Hots GSL now let's you be a "Korean player", even though all your achievements came after. Maru earned those rewards not Innovation.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2014 17:30 GMT
#228
On February 09 2014 02:27 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 20:43 Alex007 wrote:
Ahahaha, TaeJa as a player and a terran of the year... Poor iNnoVation xD TL Awards unbiased as always!
It's such a shame to call some guy the best player or the year, when he reached just a semifinal in just one season of the poorest and weakest region of WCS, performed worse then Bomber on the only season finals he reacned and lost his first match on Blizzcon...
Fanboys, fanboys everywhere.

It was really nice to read the whole staff, but some things are making this write-up to look so stupid =/


I agree that Taeja probably doesn't deserve those awards, but Innovation? He won ONE tournament and lost in the first round at Blizzcon. Maru had the best year of the three. OSL champ, semi finalist in season 3, semi finalist at Blizzcon. Taeja won more because he played for Liquid and got to travel everywhere, and I guess losing in the group stage of the first Hots GSL now let's you be a "Korean player", even though all your achievements came after. Maru earned those rewards not Innovation.


Innovation dominated the scene from March to late August. Absolutely dominated. In that period, he never finished outside of top 4 in every single Premier tournament he entered.

He also won the triple Crown of team-leagues winning PL, GSTL and ATC
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Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
February 08 2014 17:41 GMT
#229
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point

No that is completely illogical, historically foreign terrans are super duper. Should we completely redesign the game because Thorzain went to school and Jinro retired?
smashlloyd20
Profile Joined October 2012
251 Posts
February 08 2014 17:45 GMT
#230
How did maru not win anything?
Storm-Giant
Profile Joined March 2012
Spain416 Posts
February 08 2014 17:47 GMT
#231
He also won the triple Crown of team-leagues winning PL, GSTL and ATC

And being not only the best of his team in all three Team-leagues, but also the #2, #1 and #1 in OVERALL performance.

Some people just weight more the NUMBER of tournaments won than the QUALITY of the tournaments a player participated, the overall performance and so on.

Also, for those who say TaeJa was the last Terran in the WoL GSL: Bogus was just behind him. Both of them made into Quarterfinals and just one map of difference between them (Bogus 2-3 vs Symbol, finalist of that GSL, while TaeJa 3-2 Soulkey and then 1-4 to RorO, the eventual champion). And in many tournaments both Inno and TaeJa participated and their results weren't that different: top 16 vs 3rd in MLG Winter, 1st vs 2nd on DH Bucharest, 1st vs 4th on DH winter.

Oh, and WCS circuit gives INnovation a big edge over TaeJa too. But I guess it's easier to say "5 gold medals, better than Mvp'11!" -.-
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 17:49:26
February 08 2014 17:48 GMT
#232
On February 09 2014 02:30 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 02:27 Wingblade wrote:
On February 08 2014 20:43 Alex007 wrote:
Ahahaha, TaeJa as a player and a terran of the year... Poor iNnoVation xD TL Awards unbiased as always!
It's such a shame to call some guy the best player or the year, when he reached just a semifinal in just one season of the poorest and weakest region of WCS, performed worse then Bomber on the only season finals he reacned and lost his first match on Blizzcon...
Fanboys, fanboys everywhere.

It was really nice to read the whole staff, but some things are making this write-up to look so stupid =/


I agree that Taeja probably doesn't deserve those awards, but Innovation? He won ONE tournament and lost in the first round at Blizzcon. Maru had the best year of the three. OSL champ, semi finalist in season 3, semi finalist at Blizzcon. Taeja won more because he played for Liquid and got to travel everywhere, and I guess losing in the group stage of the first Hots GSL now let's you be a "Korean player", even though all your achievements came after. Maru earned those rewards not Innovation.


Innovation dominated the scene from March to late August. Absolutely dominated. In that period, he never finished outside of top 4 in every single Premier tournament he entered.

He also won the triple Crown of team-leagues winning PL, GSTL and ATC

ya Innovation dominated hard. I remember that he was favoured against everyone and had a ridiculous TvZ record. His TvT was his only problematic matchup but he could win due to multitasking. He was also one of the only terran at the end of WoL who was making RO8(or was it RO4?) from what I recall. Winning PL, GSTL and ATC also should give him a lot more points imo. I dunno, Taeja being terran of the year still seems pretty bias to me.

Also, just read the drama part. The community got blamed for what were broken promises. Disappointing that TL would write something like that but I guess since they had a role to play with EG, it's not hard to see why it was written as such.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33339 Posts
February 08 2014 17:52 GMT
#233
Addressed the worst drama section:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442976#drama
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2014 17:56 GMT
#234
On February 09 2014 02:52 Waxangel wrote:
Addressed the worst drama section:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442976#drama


Thank you for doing that. Really appreciate you taking action here.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 08 2014 17:57 GMT
#235
I still don't know what the drama part is about
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PonceDeLEGABE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States117 Posts
February 08 2014 17:58 GMT
#236
Nice write up from all the writers of tl who contributed very awesome.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 08 2014 17:59 GMT
#237
Inno best terran and player for me 4ever!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 08 2014 17:59 GMT
#238
On February 09 2014 02:59 GumBa wrote:
Inno best terran and player for me 4ever!


Aren't you forgetting the one and only BBYONGJWA?
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
February 08 2014 17:59 GMT
#239
On February 09 2014 02:52 Waxangel wrote:
Addressed the worst drama section:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442976#drama

Good change imo. You're right, the previous part did have an edgy tone which is what probably pissed other members off(and shifting the blame even if it wasn't serious).
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 08 2014 18:02 GMT
#240
On February 09 2014 02:27 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 20:43 Alex007 wrote:
Ahahaha, TaeJa as a player and a terran of the year... Poor iNnoVation xD TL Awards unbiased as always!
It's such a shame to call some guy the best player or the year, when he reached just a semifinal in just one season of the poorest and weakest region of WCS, performed worse then Bomber on the only season finals he reacned and lost his first match on Blizzcon...
Fanboys, fanboys everywhere.

It was really nice to read the whole staff, but some things are making this write-up to look so stupid =/


I agree that Taeja probably doesn't deserve those awards, but Innovation? He won ONE tournament and lost in the first round at Blizzcon. Maru had the best year of the three. OSL champ, semi finalist in season 3, semi finalist at Blizzcon. Taeja won more because he played for Liquid and got to travel everywhere, and I guess losing in the group stage of the first Hots GSL now let's you be a "Korean player", even though all your achievements came after. Maru earned those rewards not Innovation.

Bomber was a semifinalist in WCS KR season 2, won the season 2 finals (something Maru never did), and was also a semifinalist at Blizzcon. Not trying to say Maru doesn't deserve to be in the conversation, but I don't think Bomber should be ignored
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 08 2014 18:16 GMT
#241
On February 09 2014 02:59 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 02:59 GumBa wrote:
Inno best terran and player for me 4ever!


Aren't you forgetting the one and only BBYONGJWA?

He will only become the BBYONGJWA when he wins code S as only terran
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 08 2014 18:28 GMT
#242
On February 09 2014 02:47 Storm-Giant wrote:
Show nested quote +
He also won the triple Crown of team-leagues winning PL, GSTL and ATC

And being not only the best of his team in all three Team-leagues, but also the #2, #1 and #1 in OVERALL performance.

Some people just weight more the NUMBER of tournaments won than the QUALITY of the tournaments a player participated, the overall performance and so on.

Also, for those who say TaeJa was the last Terran in the WoL GSL: Bogus was just behind him. Both of them made into Quarterfinals and just one map of difference between them (Bogus 2-3 vs Symbol, finalist of that GSL, while TaeJa 3-2 Soulkey and then 1-4 to RorO, the eventual champion). And in many tournaments both Inno and TaeJa participated and their results weren't that different: top 16 vs 3rd in MLG Winter, 1st vs 2nd on DH Bucharest, 1st vs 4th on DH winter.

Oh, and WCS circuit gives INnovation a big edge over TaeJa too. But I guess it's easier to say "5 gold medals, better than Mvp'11!" -.-

Part of the reason may have been that Taeja was 14-7 in maps and 7-2 in matches vs Innovation in the past year.
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Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
February 08 2014 18:33 GMT
#243
On February 09 2014 02:47 Storm-Giant wrote:
Show nested quote +
He also won the triple Crown of team-leagues winning PL, GSTL and ATC

And being not only the best of his team in all three Team-leagues, but also the #2, #1 and #1 in OVERALL performance.

Some people just weight more the NUMBER of tournaments won than the QUALITY of the tournaments a player participated, the overall performance and so on.

Also, for those who say TaeJa was the last Terran in the WoL GSL: Bogus was just behind him. Both of them made into Quarterfinals and just one map of difference between them (Bogus 2-3 vs Symbol, finalist of that GSL, while TaeJa 3-2 Soulkey and then 1-4 to RorO, the eventual champion). And in many tournaments both Inno and TaeJa participated and their results weren't that different: top 16 vs 3rd in MLG Winter, 1st vs 2nd on DH Bucharest, 1st vs 4th on DH winter.

Oh, and WCS circuit gives INnovation a big edge over TaeJa too. But I guess it's easier to say "5 gold medals, better than Mvp'11!" -.-


Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
February 08 2014 18:33 GMT
#244
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
February 08 2014 18:35 GMT
#245
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 08 2014 18:46 GMT
#246
On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.


List of Strongest Foreigners of all time:

Terran:
Thorzain
Jinro

Protoss:
Naniwa
Huk
Mana

Zerg:
Stephano
Sen
Scarlett
Idra

This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind.
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Storm-Giant
Profile Joined March 2012
Spain416 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 18:59:48
February 08 2014 18:59 GMT
#247
On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him.

But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A.

If you ask me who was the best T in the second semester of 2013, I'd go with Maru: top 4 after top 4 finish in the hardest region (Korea) + Blizzcon + OSL victory, of course.

If you ask me who is the best T right now, I'd say Maru too.

But people, don't forget we are reviewing A WHOLE YEAR. And if Maru was irrelevant for half of it, then it would be hard to put him as the best player of the year when other players were strong all the year, wouldn't it?

(And have in mind I hate maru because he denied Rain second OSL )
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 08 2014 19:11 GMT
#248
On February 09 2014 03:59 Storm-Giant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him.

But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A.

If you ask me who was the best T in the second semester of 2013, I'd go with Maru: top 4 after top 4 finish in the hardest region (Korea) + Blizzcon + OSL victory, of course.

If you ask me who is the best T right now, I'd say Maru too.

But people, don't forget we are reviewing A WHOLE YEAR. And if Maru was irrelevant for half of it, then it would be hard to put him as the best player of the year when other players were strong all the year, wouldn't it?

(And have in mind I hate maru because he denied Rain second OSL )

Taeja was irrelevant for the first half
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Storm-Giant
Profile Joined March 2012
Spain416 Posts
February 08 2014 19:18 GMT
#249
On February 09 2014 04:11 GumBa wrote:
Taeja was irrelevant for the first half

Top 4 GSL S1, Top 4 DH Summer, 1st HSC VIII...that's not irrelevant, imo.
<3 Rain
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 19:34:06
February 08 2014 19:33 GMT
#250
On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.


List of Strongest Foreigners of all time:

Terran:
Thorzain
Jinro

Protoss:
Naniwa
Huk
Mana

Zerg:
Stephano
Sen
Scarlett
Idra

This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind.


You are right that it is subjective, I would not count Jinro myself as after 2010/early 2011 he was pretty weaksauce, and I would like to add nerchio to the zerg list. Also correct me if im wrong but I think that outside of Thorzain the last foreigner terran who a big tournament was Naama in 2010?
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
February 08 2014 19:34 GMT
#251
On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.


List of Strongest Foreigners of all time:

Terran:
Thorzain
Jinro

Protoss:
Naniwa
Huk
Mana

Zerg:
Stephano
Sen
Scarlett
Idra

This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind.


Pretty good list, I'd put Sen, Snute, and Mana in an "almost there" category.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
February 08 2014 19:34 GMT
#252
Disagree hard with Taeja as player of the year, otherwise fun to read.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
February 08 2014 20:21 GMT
#253
Dunno really about TaeJa winning those 2 awards but other than that it's looking really good imo. RIP STX.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
February 08 2014 20:24 GMT
#254
STX Soul <3 <3 <3
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 08 2014 20:26 GMT
#255
On February 09 2014 04:34 sparklyresidue wrote:
Disagree hard with Taeja as player of the year, otherwise fun to read.


Yeah me too . I can't consider someone as the "Second best player of all - time after MVP" if he hasn't won the qualifier (GSL) or the WCG itself.
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
February 08 2014 20:36 GMT
#256
Soulkey was phenomenal all year long, but I agree with TaeJa's place on top. 5 Premier wins, and the highest rating ever achieved on Aligulac and TLPD is nothing to scoff at.
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
February 08 2014 20:37 GMT
#257
Naniwa!!! :D
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 20:42:59
February 08 2014 20:38 GMT
#258
On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.


List of Strongest Foreigners of all time:

Terran:
Thorzain
Jinro

Protoss:
Naniwa
Huk
Mana

Zerg:
Stephano
Sen
Scarlett
Idra

This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind.

needs more Nerchio
On February 09 2014 04:34 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.


List of Strongest Foreigners of all time:

Terran:
Thorzain
Jinro

Protoss:
Naniwa
Huk
Mana

Zerg:
Stephano
Sen
Scarlett
Idra

This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind.


Pretty good list, I'd put Sen, Snute, and Mana in an "almost there" category.

If you pull Mana, you definitely need to pull IdrA and probably some others as well.
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
February 08 2014 20:40 GMT
#259
I feel like Jaedong is the Korean of the Year.
ppp
Profile Joined March 2013
174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 20:58:11
February 08 2014 20:49 GMT
#260
Seems legit but event of the year is Iron Squid2 imo
Also Life is not even mentioned. (1st IS2, MLG and IEM, 2nd DH winter...)
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 08 2014 21:02 GMT
#261
On February 08 2014 23:55 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 22:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 08 2014 22:03 ACrow wrote:
Taeja has won the most tournaments and has had consistently the highest performance if you consider the whole year (as opposed to Dear who rose only later in 2013, Innovation who had a big dip after hellbat nerf etc).
So there is definitely a strong reason to pick Taeja as best player of the year, even though I personally would have gone with one of the GSL winners too, just because I value that title so highly. I don't see any TL bias here, don't be unfair guys just because your favorite maybe was deserving as well!

3 of them were not really stacked though, i mean i love HSC, but cmon let's be real now^^
And looking at the Asus path of taeja, this wasn't really hard either...
Winning isn't everything, else some zotac cup (or whatever weekly tournament) winners would be player of the year now

because zotac cups and premier tournamnets are totally comparable

at the higher stages, both asus and HSC get just as hard as tournaments that are mroe stacked, so winning them still accounts a lot.

and both dreamhack titles were 2 of the most stacked events of the year, easily comparable to WCS Korea in terms of skill. and only soulkey and dear won 2 tournaments of that caliber besides taeja, minus his extras.

eh i'd say a fair amount of taeja's premiers were among the weaker premiers of 2013

On February 09 2014 03:59 Storm-Giant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him.

But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A.

only one season, because he had to requalify from code B, and that was WoL, how is that half a year?
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lopido
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada245 Posts
February 08 2014 21:12 GMT
#262
LOL at Taeja Player of The year.
i know taeja is from Team Liquid but come one really ?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 08 2014 21:28 GMT
#263
I'm glad you changed the drama one, that was pretty awful.
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 21:52:07
February 08 2014 21:50 GMT
#264
Really don't think Taeja was the player of the year tbh.
This list made me realize how last year wasn't as exciting as past years. None of the events really stuck out to me as being remember-able.
Brindled
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States508 Posts
February 08 2014 21:50 GMT
#265
Glad you changed the drama one as well. However if you left the last paragraph, I would have been completely fine. It's too true. Not enough people responded to Hyun's situation despite our community's ability to raise money in donations for him. That thread has only 31 pages of discussion for crying out loud, while stupid ass e-sports drama like Destiny, Stephano, and old old Jessica Twitter stuff generated pages into the hundreds.
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Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
February 08 2014 21:53 GMT
#266
On February 09 2014 03:59 Storm-Giant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him.

But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A.

If you ask me who was the best T in the second semester of 2013, I'd go with Maru: top 4 after top 4 finish in the hardest region (Korea) + Blizzcon + OSL victory, of course.

If you ask me who is the best T right now, I'd say Maru too.

But people, don't forget we are reviewing A WHOLE YEAR. And if Maru was irrelevant for half of it, then it would be hard to put him as the best player of the year when other players were strong all the year, wouldn't it?

(And have in mind I hate maru because he denied Rain second OSL )


Don't worry I'm a Rain fanboy too that was disappointing to watch. Taeja was irrelevant for half the year though remember? Ok he got top 4 in the last WoL GSL that no one really looks at because it was so bad with all the ZvZ and Hots was on the horizon, then he ran off to a weaker region after mediocre performance in season 1 and did ok at season 2 before doing well. They both got going about the same time, but winning the hardest region and placing consistently top 4 in every tournament he played in means I give him a higher peak. Only the two Dreamhacks were impressive victories for Taeja, and they only occurred because he gets to travel thanks to Liquid. It's a lot easier to win 5 tournies when you participate in as many as Taeja does than it would be for Maru who gets maybe 5 chances.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
ppp
Profile Joined March 2013
174 Posts
February 08 2014 22:30 GMT
#267
Am I the only one to find absurd to not even see Life mentioned here? He won 3 premier tournaments in 2013
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 22:31:49
February 08 2014 22:31 GMT
#268
On February 09 2014 07:30 ppp wrote:
Am I the only one to find absurd to not even see Life mentioned here? He won 3 premier tournaments in 2013


I AM NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 08 2014 22:45 GMT
#269
On February 09 2014 06:12 lopido wrote:
LOL at Taeja Player of The year.
i know taeja is from Team Liquid but come one really ?


idk I can see it. It boils down to:

Bogus
Soulkey
Taeja

I can agree with any of those 3. Each one was strong nearly all year. Bogus and Soulkey have consistency in the hardest region and championships. Taeja has consistency in winning foreign events, which is its own beast. Sure the gsl/osl should be valued more, but given Taeja's case of being profoundly good at them this year I think he deserves the same respect. At the least, DH Bucharest and Winter were filled with top-tier competition. Also, in pure skill I don't think anyone should be doubting Taeja in the slightest even though he's not in Korea anymore. He's always been a top 5 Terran and still proved himself in the gsl earlier in the year.

On February 09 2014 06:50 SHOOG wrote:
Really don't think Taeja was the player of the year tbh.
This list made me realize how last year wasn't as exciting as past years. None of the events really stuck out to me as being remember-able.


Really? HotS has been better for sure as far as gameplay goes, but I think in tournaments and story 2012 was a much better year. 2013 didn't have IPL (big loss), decreased MLG support, no NASL, the growing pains of WCS, more volatility at the top level of play, and was just overall very negative with a shitload of retirements and disbanding teams. If it weren't for all the great games, I'd of said I hated this year.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-08 22:56:45
February 08 2014 22:56 GMT
#270
On February 09 2014 07:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 06:12 lopido wrote:
LOL at Taeja Player of The year.
i know taeja is from Team Liquid but come one really ?


idk I can see it. It boils down to:

Bogus
Soulkey
Taeja

I can agree with any of those 3. Each one was strong nearly all year. Bogus and Soulkey have consistency in the hardest region and championships. Taeja has consistency in winning foreign events, which is its own beast. Sure the gsl/osl should be valued more, but given Taeja's case of being profoundly good at them this year I think he deserves the same respect. At the least, DH Bucharest and Winter were filled with top-tier competition. Also, in pure skill I don't think anyone should be doubting Taeja in the slightest even though he's not in Korea anymore. He's always been a top 5 Terran and still proved himself in the gsl earlier in the year.


I don't think Innovation deserves it because of how hard he fell off after the hellbat nerfs. Taeja and Soulkey are the only possible choices, but if you give it to Taeja you get criticized because he didn't do well in WCS, and if you give it to Soulkey you get criticized because he only won one tournament, and he barely even won it.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
February 08 2014 23:17 GMT
#271
On February 09 2014 04:33 Hypemeup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:46 stuchiu wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:35 Hypemeup wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:33 blade55555 wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:15 Zealously wrote:
On February 09 2014 02:08 DooMDash wrote:
Why are there no foreign terrans doing well? Seems like a design issue to me.


Why are there no foreign bonjwas? Seems like a design issue to me

As if that would be the same...
I think he has a valid point


Not really, there is only like 1 protoss and 1 zerg who does well for foreigners anyway.


Historically they have had way way more strong foreigners then terran ever has.


List of Strongest Foreigners of all time:

Terran:
Thorzain
Jinro

Protoss:
Naniwa
Huk
Mana

Zerg:
Stephano
Sen
Scarlett
Idra

This list is completely subjective, but those 9 I felt stood above the rest when they were at their respective primes. Of course there are other players I feel could have made it in: Snute, TLO, Lucifron, Vortix but either due to circumstance, lack of tournaments to play in or overall results didn't quite make the cut in my mind.


You are right that it is subjective, I would not count Jinro myself as after 2010/early 2011 he was pretty weaksauce, and I would like to add nerchio to the zerg list. Also correct me if im wrong but I think that outside of Thorzain the last foreigner terran who a big tournament was Naama in 2010?


Notice how the list is in their primes. In Jinro's prime he was an incredibly strong player and deserved to be on the list. As for the last foreign terran tournament win I couldn't say probably was that long ago as that was before koreans went to every tournament.
When I think of something else, something will go here
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
February 09 2014 00:28 GMT
#272
asus rog neither hsc must be called "premier" tournaments.

Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
Storm-Giant
Profile Joined March 2012
Spain416 Posts
February 09 2014 00:44 GMT
#273
On February 09 2014 06:02 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 03:59 Storm-Giant wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him.

But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A.

only one season, because he had to requalify from code B, and that was WoL, how is that half a year?

I looked at liquipedia/results and for some reason it shows his Challenger league result above Code S o.O

My mistake then. Let's say he wasn't very relevant during the first half of the year (code A, Ro32 Code S).
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 01:08:03
February 09 2014 01:07 GMT
#274
On February 09 2014 07:56 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 07:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 09 2014 06:12 lopido wrote:
LOL at Taeja Player of The year.
i know taeja is from Team Liquid but come one really ?


idk I can see it. It boils down to:

Bogus
Soulkey
Taeja

I can agree with any of those 3. Each one was strong nearly all year. Bogus and Soulkey have consistency in the hardest region and championships. Taeja has consistency in winning foreign events, which is its own beast. Sure the gsl/osl should be valued more, but given Taeja's case of being profoundly good at them this year I think he deserves the same respect. At the least, DH Bucharest and Winter were filled with top-tier competition. Also, in pure skill I don't think anyone should be doubting Taeja in the slightest even though he's not in Korea anymore. He's always been a top 5 Terran and still proved himself in the gsl earlier in the year.


I don't think Innovation deserves it because of how hard he fell off after the hellbat nerfs. Taeja and Soulkey are the only possible choices, but if you give it to Taeja you get criticized because he didn't do well in WCS, and if you give it to Soulkey you get criticized because he only won one tournament, and he barely even won it.


I don't think he fell off, he made deep runs in several tournaments post-hellbat nerf and was almost invincible in the GSTL. He was doing well late-WoL prior to it too.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 09 2014 01:13 GMT
#275
On February 09 2014 09:44 Storm-Giant wrote:
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On February 09 2014 06:02 opterown wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:59 Storm-Giant wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him.

But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A.

only one season, because he had to requalify from code B, and that was WoL, how is that half a year?

I looked at liquipedia/results and for some reason it shows his Challenger league result above Code S o.O

My mistake then. Let's say he wasn't very relevant during the first half of the year (code A, Ro32 Code S).

his RO32 code S was 1-2 twice to the eventual champion, he could have easily gone on otherwise ;p
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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
February 09 2014 01:23 GMT
#276
Lol at day9s face after the bitch comment
Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
February 09 2014 02:26 GMT
#277
scarlett pic so hawt.
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Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
February 09 2014 05:21 GMT
#278
WCS Korea Season 1 was pretty good, but the Finals were god awful.
Innovation raping Soulkey's mediocre play for 3 games, then playing like a total garbage player for 4 games in a row to let a decent Soulkey win in a reverse sweep.

That finals alone is enough to exempt that tournament from being the best of Korea.

Aside from that, I think MajOr could have been a notable mention for being foreign Terran, but I agree that nobody should have won straight up.

Pretty entertaining write up.
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hillman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States162 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 06:46:14
February 09 2014 06:45 GMT
#279
Wow, speak for yourself about Scarlett being a "patchzerg" - author(s) showing some bias there. And wow what a bunch of Naniwa Nutriders...steaming pile of opinionated shit there guys - nice work.

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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28087 Posts
February 09 2014 08:16 GMT
#280
Nice awards guys, was nice to read
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 09 2014 08:20 GMT
#281
On February 09 2014 15:45 hillman wrote:
Wow, speak for yourself about Scarlett being a "patchzerg" - author(s) showing some bias there. And wow what a bunch of Naniwa Nutriders...steaming pile of opinionated shit there guys - nice work.

bias aye
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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
February 09 2014 10:20 GMT
#282
On February 09 2014 06:02 opterown wrote:
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On February 08 2014 23:55 Tanzklaue wrote:
On February 08 2014 22:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 08 2014 22:03 ACrow wrote:
Taeja has won the most tournaments and has had consistently the highest performance if you consider the whole year (as opposed to Dear who rose only later in 2013, Innovation who had a big dip after hellbat nerf etc).
So there is definitely a strong reason to pick Taeja as best player of the year, even though I personally would have gone with one of the GSL winners too, just because I value that title so highly. I don't see any TL bias here, don't be unfair guys just because your favorite maybe was deserving as well!

3 of them were not really stacked though, i mean i love HSC, but cmon let's be real now^^
And looking at the Asus path of taeja, this wasn't really hard either...
Winning isn't everything, else some zotac cup (or whatever weekly tournament) winners would be player of the year now

because zotac cups and premier tournamnets are totally comparable

at the higher stages, both asus and HSC get just as hard as tournaments that are mroe stacked, so winning them still accounts a lot.

and both dreamhack titles were 2 of the most stacked events of the year, easily comparable to WCS Korea in terms of skill. and only soulkey and dear won 2 tournaments of that caliber besides taeja, minus his extras.

eh i'd say a fair amount of taeja's premiers were among the weaker premiers of 2013

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On February 09 2014 03:59 Storm-Giant wrote:
On February 09 2014 03:33 Wingblade wrote:
Great, but Maru was better than both of them. Maru did the same thing Innovation did, finishing top 4 in everything from late August through the end of the year. Plus he face rolled innovation when they played eah other. Innovations tewign ended the moment Maru 4-0ed him.

But don't forget that Maru spent half of the year in Code A.

only one season, because he had to requalify from code B, and that was WoL, how is that half a year?


Don't look at them and think they must be weaker tournaments because they are named HSC or Northcon or something like that, look at the players he had to play to win, you'll see that apart from HSC7 Taeja had as hard a road to the finals as say Polt did in his WCS NA runs and MLG run. And Taeja had 4 runs like that.
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Amiralsims
Profile Joined September 2012
34 Posts
February 09 2014 10:39 GMT
#283
The Iron Squid 2 isn't nominate in the "Tournament of the Year (Europe)" category, what a shame.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
February 09 2014 10:59 GMT
#284
Taeja: nr 1 in power rank, terran of the year, player of the year
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on teamliquid.net
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Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 11:18:50
February 09 2014 11:18 GMT
#285
It's great to know that STX will forever be remembered as the best team in 2013. Even though it's all over now.

That said, it's a really good writeup by TL.
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imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
February 09 2014 11:26 GMT
#286
Taeja is a top player and very likeable but .. player of the year ? I think winning WCS NA twice (with a lot of good Koreans) like Polt is a lot more impressive.
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paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
February 09 2014 13:25 GMT
#287
In honour of this great review (that I 99% agree with btw) I have disabled adblock on TL & Twitch again.

I would have liked some more love for MC, but I suppose it is fair enough as he was not as prominent in 2013.
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
February 09 2014 13:56 GMT
#288
While cries of "dead game!" are often hyperbolic, there's no doubt that this is a scene in decline. At the same time, there are organizations that are increasing investment, and even some brave newcomers to the scene. Where will we go from here? We can only hope for the best, and keep supporting the game we love.


I cri evrytim.

But no seriously, great article. Agree with everything except Taeja for player/Terran of the year (I would say Inno for both)
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
February 10 2014 04:56 GMT
#289
This is so awesome! Thanks!
Agreeing with most. I'm wondering why you didn't mention the Naniwa/Scarlett bo7 duel (which went in favor of Naniwa) in the reasoning why Naniwa was the better player.

The recap of all the retired players and teams make a bit sad feelings. Still we had an awesome year of SC2. And maybe many more to come.
GnoM
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway145 Posts
February 10 2014 23:33 GMT
#290
Great write up!
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
February 11 2014 04:12 GMT
#291
I really think Polt should have gotten an honorary considering you gave him pretty short shift.
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 09:57:09
February 11 2014 09:50 GMT
#292
How in hell does Soulkey's phenomenal consistency at the hardest tournaments in the world (including Proleague) rates worse than Taeja´s "amazing run" in homestory cups in dreamhacks. Lol. Apparently, if someone wants to be player of the year, he needs to run away from the toughest competition.

What a travesty. I demand a recount!


1st wcg
2nd hot6ix cup
2nd wcs s3
top4 wcs s3 korea gsl
top4 wcs s1
1st wcs s1 korea gsl
top8 wcs s2 korea gsl
top8 GSL season 1
Proleague finalist with a 63% win rate
#1 ranked WCS player before blizzcon

I am sure Wongjin's website would have a different POY result.
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Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
February 11 2014 10:01 GMT
#293
On February 09 2014 19:59 Elroi wrote:
Taeja: nr 1 in power rank, terran of the year, player of the year
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on teamliquid.net

And on OnGamers. And on GosuGamers.
Ufnal
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland1435 Posts
February 11 2014 15:29 GMT
#294
On February 11 2014 19:01 Serinox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 19:59 Elroi wrote:
Taeja: nr 1 in power rank, terran of the year, player of the year
+ Show Spoiler +
on teamliquid.net

And on OnGamers. And on GosuGamers.


Well done. :D
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qiza
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany37 Posts
February 11 2014 22:59 GMT
#295
love scarlett <3 <3 <3 but why no HSC ?
Zergrush!
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
February 12 2014 07:36 GMT
#296
Disapointed to not see JD in here since the amount of finals he attended. Well i only read titles for now. I'll read it entirely later. I love the format though.

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alber
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada45 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 21:02:50
February 13 2014 21:02 GMT
#297
Incredible article! A bit disappointed that Scarlett is not International Player of the Year! And let's hope for another Canadian event in 2014. WCS Season 3 Finals were amazing !
Joy_On
Profile Joined February 2014
6 Posts
February 27 2014 09:52 GMT
#298
Goto, Soulkey!! Keep that consistancy
Soulkey&ZerO I miss WJS T.T
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