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MysticaL
Profile Joined December 2003
Canada118 Posts
February 06 2014 12:52 GMT
#281
so the tl;dr is: David Kim dodging real questions with typical politically correct answers
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 12:58:28
February 06 2014 12:58 GMT
#282
This is just another PR stunt from Dayvie. I don't understand how people can still defend this guy. SC2 is in a worse state than in Broodlord-Infestor era. One failed balance patch after another...Complete lack of understanding of the game mechanics etc..Some people never learn..
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
February 06 2014 12:58 GMT
#283
On February 06 2014 21:41 n0ise wrote:
Great insights from DK, as usual

If +25 Energy on Time Warp doesn't help hold 2-Base Blink, I really don't know what will. It's like the Terrans aren't even trying these days.


.......

The +25 energy doesn't change anything for 2 Base blink because there is only 1 needed.

The most reasonable (and most suggested) change is to lower the vision range of the MSC and to change the maps because a big reason why blink opening are so popular TvP is that at least half of the current WCS maps are very blink friendly.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
February 06 2014 12:58 GMT
#284
And again, I have to post this same question to the community. If we are so unhappy with David Kim and Dustin Browder's way of handling the game, if each and every one of their patch changes screams incompetence, and if so many of their interviews they are more concerned with their PR, instead of the state of the game, then why don't we do something about it?

I've said this once, why don't we all file a formal complaint on Blizzard's websites against them, they must have some department like customer support, quality assurance, I don't know, something that will pick up the complaints and send them higher up. I for one am at the end of my patience with the SC2 design team, and I think its high time that a real change occurs.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 06 2014 13:00 GMT
#285
On February 06 2014 21:41 n0ise wrote:
Great insights from DK, as usual

If +25 Energy on Time Warp doesn't help hold 2-Base Blink, I really don't know what will. It's like the Terrans aren't even trying these days.

You realize Time Warp at 100 energy changes absolutely nothing in like 99.5% of the situations? The strength of 2-bases Blink isn't even only related to the actual strength of the attack...
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 06 2014 13:04 GMT
#286
On February 06 2014 21:41 n0ise wrote:
Great insights from DK, as usual

If +25 Energy on Time Warp doesn't help hold 2-Base Blink, I really don't know what will. It's like the Terrans aren't even trying these days.


Looking at n0ise's previous posts, I'd say this is very well disguised sarcasm.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
TW
Profile Joined March 2012
Poland255 Posts
February 06 2014 13:08 GMT
#287
I am curious when are they going to really help Terrans.
IEM Katowice qualifications - YES YES YES Terrans were decimated again.

Flash, Ty, BByong, Innovation, MMA, Cure ...
none of them reach Ro4

there is still Cure - Sora left, but I can bet who's gonna win.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 13:23:18
February 06 2014 13:09 GMT
#288
On February 06 2014 21:41 n0ise wrote:
Great insights from DK, as usual

If +25 Energy on Time Warp doesn't help hold 2-Base Blink, I really don't know what will. It's like the Terrans aren't even trying these days.

If pro-gamers themselves can't win vs Protoss (which is what we're seeing in GSL), you can't say shit like that. Pro-gamers are quite the try-hards.
Edit: Seems like it could be sarcasm, but I mean, I don't know if you're Protoss or Terran :D
Exoteric
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2330 Posts
February 06 2014 13:09 GMT
#289
On February 06 2014 22:04 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 21:41 n0ise wrote:
Great insights from DK, as usual

If +25 Energy on Time Warp doesn't help hold 2-Base Blink, I really don't know what will. It's like the Terrans aren't even trying these days.


Looking at n0ise's previous posts, I'd say this is very well disguised sarcasm.


not even well disguised, it's pretty blatant that the time warp change doesn't do anything
hell is other people
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 13:30:39
February 06 2014 13:20 GMT
#290
On February 06 2014 21:58 Destructicon wrote:
And again, I have to post this same question to the community. If we are so unhappy with David Kim and Dustin Browder's way of handling the game, if each and every one of their patch changes screams incompetence, and if so many of their interviews they are more concerned with their PR, instead of the state of the game, then why don't we do something about it?

I've said this once, why don't we all file a formal complaint on Blizzard's websites against them, they must have some department like customer support, quality assurance, I don't know, something that will pick up the complaints and send them higher up. I for one am at the end of my patience with the SC2 design team, and I think its high time that a real change occurs.


Because customers are stupid. If you fire every designer if somebody on the internet is complaining about their game we wouldn´t have any game made since 1990.
Also most companies give a shit about what people are thinking as long as they are selling their products. Look at Exxon, Monsantu or JP Morgan. The only way to "tell" them in a way they understand is by not buying their products.

Also you have to understand this guys they were spending the last (idk) 5+ years on this thing every day, for sure often more than 12+ hours. Everyone would defend the product in their position.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 06 2014 13:23 GMT
#291
On February 06 2014 22:09 Exoteric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 22:04 Ghanburighan wrote:
On February 06 2014 21:41 n0ise wrote:
Great insights from DK, as usual

If +25 Energy on Time Warp doesn't help hold 2-Base Blink, I really don't know what will. It's like the Terrans aren't even trying these days.


Looking at n0ise's previous posts, I'd say this is very well disguised sarcasm.


not even well disguised, it's pretty blatant that the time warp change doesn't do anything

Well, Protoss players would probably think it does too much already ;D
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
February 06 2014 13:32 GMT
#292
Only question needed to be asked was : When will you fix TvP ? Does it even matter?....no answer would be given.

However this is a step up from ignoring the community,at least he showed up and took some questions.
He should really done that Q&A thing here on TL because more people follow SC2 stuff here than on blizzard forums.

Personally game is ruined for me as a viewer.I cannot watch PvP and PvZ for 3 months.
As player i dont even bother playing vs P in straight up game,i just cheese....

If something isnt done quick SC2 will loose viewers and players and that would be such a shame.
I just hope its not too late.
Freelancer veteran
Mifoi123
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada42 Posts
February 06 2014 13:41 GMT
#293
On February 06 2014 20:40 Tchado wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 20:30 ejozl wrote:
Tbh it's just nostalgia. When I started playing WC3 I was like, what's up with all the heroes and shit. It stands in the way of the pure strategic depth that was there in SC:BW, I've played before. Of course I loved the game, but it was only when SC2 came out that I truly realized how unique of a game it was and missed the extra strategy input from all the RPG elements. Much more fun spells and upgrades etc.
I guess we'll just have to wait for WC4 for people to really praise on SC2.


If DK and DB somehow find their way into the Wc4 design team ( which will most likely happen ), I will go to USA and shoot them myself....Guantanamo here I come !

But I agree with what you said.


User was warned for this post


A warning for a death threat? So what is actually needed to get banned?
I am greatly disapointed in the Team liquid forum Moderators...
Keeping the forum clean is your jobs guys... DO IT PROPERLY!
This is a "DEATH THREAT"!
You can't just say oh it was a joke? You have to draw the line somewhere?
Please explain to me where is your line drawn?
I'd like to help! :)
dargul
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation125 Posts
February 06 2014 13:48 GMT
#294
On February 06 2014 22:32 Liman wrote:
Only question needed to be asked was : When will you fix TvP ? Does it even matter?....no answer would be given.

However this is a step up from ignoring the community,at least he showed up and took some questions.
He should really done that Q&A thing here on TL because more people follow SC2 stuff here than on blizzard forums.

Personally game is ruined for me as a viewer.I cannot watch PvP and PvZ for 3 months.
As player i dont even bother playing vs P in straight up game,i just cheese....

If something isnt done quick SC2 will loose viewers and players and that would be such a shame.
I just hope its not too late.

It would be MUCH better if kim streamed his games on ladder for example playing the weakest race to show that it's not true and searching for ways to overcome weaknesses. And give answers on some questions at the end of the stream.

Then people will see that he really good player and probably understand what he is doing with balance.
Because now kim looks like "smart guy" sitting in blizzard doing nothing and getting paid for random changes which don't change balance at all.
In Stim We Trust
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
February 06 2014 14:00 GMT
#295
Judging from the reactions, I think I can safely award myself a 10/10 for the previous post.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
February 06 2014 14:01 GMT
#296
if sc2 balance team of sc2 will keep this kind of handling of the game .. i have no doubt that starbow will be like dota in wc3 .. more popular than the game itself ..

too bad its going in this direction .. i don't even watch sc2 that is not tvz or tvt anymore .. i rarely watch tvp with the cases of my favorite players playing flash/maru .. last year i would watch every single game if it was possible that was casted nowadays i just watch dota 2 if its not those 2 match ups..

PvP is just boring. PvZ is now pretty lame. TvP is disappointing.

I just hope they don't continue responding too long or too quick in balance issues or sc2 will fade.
this is a quote
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
February 06 2014 14:09 GMT
#297
On February 06 2014 22:41 Mifoi123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 20:40 Tchado wrote:
On February 06 2014 20:30 ejozl wrote:
Tbh it's just nostalgia. When I started playing WC3 I was like, what's up with all the heroes and shit. It stands in the way of the pure strategic depth that was there in SC:BW, I've played before. Of course I loved the game, but it was only when SC2 came out that I truly realized how unique of a game it was and missed the extra strategy input from all the RPG elements. Much more fun spells and upgrades etc.
I guess we'll just have to wait for WC4 for people to really praise on SC2.


If DK and DB somehow find their way into the Wc4 design team ( which will most likely happen ), I will go to USA and shoot them myself....Guantanamo here I come !

But I agree with what you said.


User was warned for this post


A warning for a death threat? So what is actually needed to get banned?
I am greatly disapointed in the Team liquid forum Moderators...
Keeping the forum clean is your jobs guys... DO IT PROPERLY!
This is a "DEATH THREAT"!
You can't just say oh it was a joke? You have to draw the line somewhere?
Please explain to me where is your line drawn?


You grab the pitchfork, I'll continue to scan the thread about what David Kim said for people talking about what David Kim said.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 14:16:24
February 06 2014 14:12 GMT
#298
On February 06 2014 22:41 Mifoi123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 20:40 Tchado wrote:
On February 06 2014 20:30 ejozl wrote:
Tbh it's just nostalgia. When I started playing WC3 I was like, what's up with all the heroes and shit. It stands in the way of the pure strategic depth that was there in SC:BW, I've played before. Of course I loved the game, but it was only when SC2 came out that I truly realized how unique of a game it was and missed the extra strategy input from all the RPG elements. Much more fun spells and upgrades etc.
I guess we'll just have to wait for WC4 for people to really praise on SC2.


If DK and DB somehow find their way into the Wc4 design team ( which will most likely happen ), I will go to USA and shoot them myself....Guantanamo here I come !

But I agree with what you said.


User was warned for this post


A warning for a death threat? So what is actually needed to get banned?
I am greatly disapointed in the Team liquid forum Moderators...
Keeping the forum clean is your jobs guys... DO IT PROPERLY!
This is a "DEATH THREAT"!
You can't just say oh it was a joke? You have to draw the line somewhere?
Please explain to me where is your line drawn?


The line was drawn when I clearly said it was a joke in the next post , and I added another comment saying next time I will add a disclaimer for westerners who actually take this seriously.

By the way it's clearly a joke since I mentioned Guantanamo.

Move on and get back to the balance discussion , to be fair it was my bad , I should've taken the time to write a disclaimer for the idiots.
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
February 06 2014 14:21 GMT
#299
On February 06 2014 22:41 Mifoi123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 20:40 Tchado wrote:
On February 06 2014 20:30 ejozl wrote:
Tbh it's just nostalgia. When I started playing WC3 I was like, what's up with all the heroes and shit. It stands in the way of the pure strategic depth that was there in SC:BW, I've played before. Of course I loved the game, but it was only when SC2 came out that I truly realized how unique of a game it was and missed the extra strategy input from all the RPG elements. Much more fun spells and upgrades etc.
I guess we'll just have to wait for WC4 for people to really praise on SC2.


If DK and DB somehow find their way into the Wc4 design team ( which will most likely happen ), I will go to USA and shoot them myself....Guantanamo here I come !

But I agree with what you said.


User was warned for this post


A warning for a death threat? So what is actually needed to get banned?
I am greatly disapointed in the Team liquid forum Moderators...
Keeping the forum clean is your jobs guys... DO IT PROPERLY!
This is a "DEATH THREAT"!
You can't just say oh it was a joke? You have to draw the line somewhere?
Please explain to me where is your line drawn?


I just Facepalmed so hard reading this I almost killed myself.

I guess they should ban me for sucide attempt
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 14:30:36
February 06 2014 14:30 GMT
#300
On February 06 2014 23:00 n0ise wrote:
Judging from the reactions, I think I can safely award myself a 10/10 for the previous post.


Beautifully crafted sarcasm. /clap
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