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On February 06 2014 20:30 ejozl wrote:
Tbh it's just nostalgia. When I started playing WC3 I was like, what's up with all the heroes and shit. It stands in the way of the pure strategic depth that was there in SC:BW, I've played before. Of course I loved the game, but it was only when SC2 came out that I truly realized how unique of a game it was and missed the extra strategy input from all the RPG elements. Much more fun spells and upgrades etc.
I guess we'll just have to wait for WC4 for people to really praise on SC2.
If DK and DB somehow find their way into the Wc4 design team ( which will most likely happen ), I will go to USA and shoot them myself....Guantanamo here I come !
But I agree with what you said.
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On February 06 2014 20:40 Tchado wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 20:30 ejozl wrote:
Tbh it's just nostalgia. When I started playing WC3 I was like, what's up with all the heroes and shit. It stands in the way of the pure strategic depth that was there in SC:BW, I've played before. Of course I loved the game, but it was only when SC2 came out that I truly realized how unique of a game it was and missed the extra strategy input from all the RPG elements. Much more fun spells and upgrades etc.
I guess we'll just have to wait for WC4 for people to really praise on SC2. If DK and DB somehow find their way into the Wc4 design team ( which will most likely happen ), I will go to USA and shoot them myself....Guantanamo here I come ! But I agree with what you said.
Yea... This constitutes one of those hilarious "death threat" things that makes the internet so appealing.
Great job!
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On February 06 2014 20:46 Dapper_Cad wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 20:40 Tchado wrote:On February 06 2014 20:30 ejozl wrote:
Tbh it's just nostalgia. When I started playing WC3 I was like, what's up with all the heroes and shit. It stands in the way of the pure strategic depth that was there in SC:BW, I've played before. Of course I loved the game, but it was only when SC2 came out that I truly realized how unique of a game it was and missed the extra strategy input from all the RPG elements. Much more fun spells and upgrades etc.
I guess we'll just have to wait for WC4 for people to really praise on SC2. If DK and DB somehow find their way into the Wc4 design team ( which will most likely happen ), I will go to USA and shoot them myself....Guantanamo here I come ! But I agree with what you said. Yea... This constitutes one of those hilarious "death threat" things that makes the internet so appealing. Great job!
Dude its a fucking joke....chill XD
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On February 06 2014 19:40 MaestroMaus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 18:55 TaShadan wrote:On February 06 2014 18:39 MaestroMaus wrote:
Wow; what a circle-jerk. I for one like the answers he gave. They seem to be fair & balanced answers and he seems to be aware of the questions that where raised. And I like he isn't trying to recreate Broodwar. I disliked that game.
Which brings me to the second thing I wanted to say:
A lot of the pro's are ex-Broodwar. It is sort of understandable they will always like SC1. It's nostalgia; it's the game they grew up with. I have those same feelings for other games so I can sympathise. What annoys me is the sheer amount of people who never played Broodwar seriously yet claim it was the better game. I don't know why this is. Maybe you hear your favorite player say this. Maybe you think something is wrong and would like it to see fixed. If it's the first: please stop. If it's the second; great. However do realize Broodwar isn't some magic bullet with the perfect solution to anything. The solution might very well be something else. Instead of being toxic to David you can also try to offer solutions other then "bring broodwar back hurhur". Lets turn it the other way around. You most likely never played bw seriously and yet claim it sucks? Don't be silly. I didn't say Broodwar sucks. I said I didn't like it. And I said that you can't fix the problems of a modern game with te solutions of an older game that's different in a lot of ways (including technical ways). Don't put words into my mouth I haven't spoken. Also; I don't need to "have played broodwar seriously" to make the statement that I didn't like it. It's subjective.
You are silly, if you think that you cant learn from an "OLD" game. In fact you can learn alot from history (even from old games). A game being old doesnt mean it did everything wrong. In my oppinion it does alot better than most new games, although not every aspect. I know that scbw has some outdated stuff but it were all decisions made by the programers and designer (alot of guys think it wasnt possible to implement back then but thats wrong). Read the column of Patrick W. an old Blizzard employee: https://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/author/patrick-wyatt
And now stop talking please, so i cant put words into your mouth again...
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On February 06 2014 20:47 Tchado wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 20:46 Dapper_Cad wrote:On February 06 2014 20:40 Tchado wrote:On February 06 2014 20:30 ejozl wrote:
Tbh it's just nostalgia. When I started playing WC3 I was like, what's up with all the heroes and shit. It stands in the way of the pure strategic depth that was there in SC:BW, I've played before. Of course I loved the game, but it was only when SC2 came out that I truly realized how unique of a game it was and missed the extra strategy input from all the RPG elements. Much more fun spells and upgrades etc.
I guess we'll just have to wait for WC4 for people to really praise on SC2. If DK and DB somehow find their way into the Wc4 design team ( which will most likely happen ), I will go to USA and shoot them myself....Guantanamo here I come ! But I agree with what you said. Yea... This constitutes one of those hilarious "death threat" things that makes the internet so appealing. Great job! Dude its a fucking joke....chill XD
Joking about killing people.
The only ones that can get away with that are comedians.
Honestly; they should just stop doing this kind of stuff since all it gets is more backlash.
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On February 06 2014 20:47 Tchado wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 20:46 Dapper_Cad wrote:On February 06 2014 20:40 Tchado wrote:On February 06 2014 20:30 ejozl wrote:
Tbh it's just nostalgia. When I started playing WC3 I was like, what's up with all the heroes and shit. It stands in the way of the pure strategic depth that was there in SC:BW, I've played before. Of course I loved the game, but it was only when SC2 came out that I truly realized how unique of a game it was and missed the extra strategy input from all the RPG elements. Much more fun spells and upgrades etc.
I guess we'll just have to wait for WC4 for people to really praise on SC2. If DK and DB somehow find their way into the Wc4 design team ( which will most likely happen ), I will go to USA and shoot them myself....Guantanamo here I come ! But I agree with what you said. Yea... This constitutes one of those hilarious "death threat" things that makes the internet so appealing. Great job! Dude its a fucking joke....chill XD
I'm not excited. Given the context it can't be taken seriously. It's just the kind of thing that we see accompanied by a violin stab and darth vader announcer on your local television news network. But your local television news network doesn't have time for context. Fortunately I do. I didn't report you. Your comment isn't evil. It's just vacuous.
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Warp Gate/Forcefields
still never understood why they did not put any advantages in just using the gateway. There is literally no reason to use the gateway.
Protoss Strength in PvT
Cop out answer.
Strength of Tanks
More cop out.
The rest of the answers were kinda meh. :\ not impressed by blizz .. the only time i was impressed with blizzard was the spore crawler change that was so smart.
The rest of the questions are not answered
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On February 06 2014 20:47 Tchado wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 20:46 Dapper_Cad wrote:On February 06 2014 20:40 Tchado wrote:On February 06 2014 20:30 ejozl wrote:
Tbh it's just nostalgia. When I started playing WC3 I was like, what's up with all the heroes and shit. It stands in the way of the pure strategic depth that was there in SC:BW, I've played before. Of course I loved the game, but it was only when SC2 came out that I truly realized how unique of a game it was and missed the extra strategy input from all the RPG elements. Much more fun spells and upgrades etc.
I guess we'll just have to wait for WC4 for people to really praise on SC2. If DK and DB somehow find their way into the Wc4 design team ( which will most likely happen ), I will go to USA and shoot them myself....Guantanamo here I come ! But I agree with what you said. Yea... This constitutes one of those hilarious "death threat" things that makes the internet so appealing. Great job! Dude its a fucking joke....chill XD
There is a lol player who made similar remarks on his FB account, obviously with a "j/k lol" (because well... it was a fucking joke) and some random person called the police and he ended up in jail (i belive his 16-17) because neither the random person, the police or the judge saw it as a mere joke...
what i am saying: be very careful with jokes like that so it won't end up ruining your life :/
(And yes it is stupid that something like that can happen, or than anyone take it seriously, but that's the world we live in)
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Rather predictable responses.
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On February 06 2014 21:07 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 20:47 Tchado wrote:On February 06 2014 20:46 Dapper_Cad wrote:On February 06 2014 20:40 Tchado wrote:On February 06 2014 20:30 ejozl wrote:
Tbh it's just nostalgia. When I started playing WC3 I was like, what's up with all the heroes and shit. It stands in the way of the pure strategic depth that was there in SC:BW, I've played before. Of course I loved the game, but it was only when SC2 came out that I truly realized how unique of a game it was and missed the extra strategy input from all the RPG elements. Much more fun spells and upgrades etc.
I guess we'll just have to wait for WC4 for people to really praise on SC2. If DK and DB somehow find their way into the Wc4 design team ( which will most likely happen ), I will go to USA and shoot them myself....Guantanamo here I come ! But I agree with what you said. Yea... This constitutes one of those hilarious "death threat" things that makes the internet so appealing. Great job! Dude its a fucking joke....chill XD There is a lol player who made similar remarks on his FB account, obviously with a "j/k lol" (because well... it was a fucking joke) and some random person called the police and he ended up in jail (i belive his 16-17) because neither the random person, the police or the judge saw it as a mere joke... what i am saying: be very careful with jokes like that so it won't end up ruining your life :/ (And yes it is stupid that something like that can happen, or than anyone take it seriously, but that's the world we live in)
Threats made in writing against specific people are generally considered to be bad because no one can tell if someone meant it or not. The people concerned with this stuff don't have the liberty of assuming its in jest. However, since TL doesn't have personal information, it is very unlikely.
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On February 06 2014 19:51 dargul wrote:Lets poll and see if common players still trust Kim, or may be he is incompetent and must leave this game for god sake. Poll: You opinion about David Kim as balance designerYeh he is awsome. (29) 14% He is slowpoke but ok. (23) 12% He is killing sc2 with his incompetence. (131) 66% I don't care i play moba already. (17) 9% 200 total votes Your vote: You opinion about David Kim as balance designer (Vote): Yeh he is awsome.
(Vote): He is slowpoke but ok.
(Vote): He is killing sc2 with his incompetence.
(Vote): I don't care i play moba already.
So for now 12(33%) think that Kim is ok and 24(66%) that he must leave.
I hope that kim or his boss is reading this...
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Joking about killing people.
The only ones that can get away with that are comedians.
Honestly; they should just stop doing this kind of stuff since all it gets is more backlash
I'm not excited. Given the context it can't be taken seriously. It's just the kind of thing that we see accompanied by a violin stab and darth vader announcer on your local television news network. But your local television news network doesn't have time for context. Fortunately I do. I didn't report you. Your comment isn't evil. It's just vacuous.
There is a lol player who made similar remarks on his FB account, obviously with a "j/k lol" (because well... it was a fucking joke) and some random person called the police and he ended up in jail (i belive his 16-17) because neither the random person, the police or the judge saw it as a mere joke...
what i am saying: be very careful with jokes like that so it won't end up ruining your life :/
(And yes it is stupid that something like that can happen, or than anyone take it seriously, but that's the world we live in)
No fucking comment  , next time I'll add a disclaimer for all you western people.
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His answers say he doesn't want sc2 to be as good as BW since the advantages people are suggesting about BW he is saying: we talked about it and said we don't want to change it.
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Thank you David. That was really cool of you.
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On February 06 2014 21:24 dargul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 19:51 dargul wrote:Lets poll and see if common players still trust Kim, or may be he is incompetent and must leave this game for god sake. Poll: You opinion about David Kim as balance designerYeh he is awsome. (29) 14% He is slowpoke but ok. (23) 12% He is killing sc2 with his incompetence. (131) 66% I don't care i play moba already. (17) 9% 200 total votes Your vote: You opinion about David Kim as balance designer (Vote): Yeh he is awsome.
(Vote): He is slowpoke but ok.
(Vote): He is killing sc2 with his incompetence.
(Vote): I don't care i play moba already.
So for now 12(33%) think that Kim is ok and 24(66%) that he must leave. I hope that kim or his boss is reading this...
36 out of half a million players for sure is a representative sample size!
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Great insights from DK, as usual
If +25 Energy on Time Warp doesn't help hold 2-Base Blink, I really don't know what will. It's like the Terrans aren't even trying these days.
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On February 06 2014 20:40 Tchado wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 20:30 ejozl wrote:
Tbh it's just nostalgia. When I started playing WC3 I was like, what's up with all the heroes and shit. It stands in the way of the pure strategic depth that was there in SC:BW, I've played before. Of course I loved the game, but it was only when SC2 came out that I truly realized how unique of a game it was and missed the extra strategy input from all the RPG elements. Much more fun spells and upgrades etc.
I guess we'll just have to wait for WC4 for people to really praise on SC2. If DK and DB somehow find their way into the Wc4 design team ( which will most likely happen ), I will go to USA and shoot them myself....Guantanamo here I come ! But I agree with what you said.
Not touching a game of theirs and/or Blizzard's is more than enough.
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Russian Federation125 Posts
On February 06 2014 21:39 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 21:24 dargul wrote:On February 06 2014 19:51 dargul wrote:
Lets poll and see if common players still trust Kim, or may be he is incompetent and must leave this game for god sake.
So for now 12(33%) think that Kim is ok and 24(66%) that he must leave. I hope that kim or his boss is reading this... 36 out of half a million players for sure is a representative sample size!
Yet even smaller sample size(1 week of proleague) was enough for him to say that TvP is ok couple weeks ago.
And yes where have you found 1million players? in wol may be check sc2ranks there are only ~400000 players. And it counting euro and am accs as separate people so in fact it is very likely that player base is aobut 200k...
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On February 06 2014 08:43 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 08:39 aZealot wrote:On February 06 2014 08:36 CutTheEnemy wrote:
StarCraft is dead unless Rob Pardo steps in. It's just a mess right now, isn't it? All this balance stuff, it isn't even about balance, is it? It's mostly about design tweaks to make the game more enjoyable. That's the complaint. Its like a fighting game where the characters are roughly equally strong, but none are fun enough, and they're addressing it with balance patches.
I think the community needs to be serious about asking Blizzard to put Pardo in charge of the next expansion. For those who read this, consider mentioning Pardo more often in threads. He led the design on broodwar, remember. I thought Pardo led the initial design on SC2 and DB stepped in from 2007 (a couple of years into SC2s development, IIRC)? Pardo has an uncanny ability to sense when it's time to jump shit to another product before whatever he is currently on becomes shit. Post TBC WoW, SC2, Diablo 3, he successfully dodged the development on all these. Impressive. Now he's back on WoW and what do you know, they're actually making some pretty good changes in the next expansion.
Pardo looked around the room and saw the likes of Dustin Browder and David Kim. I wouldn't buy a game that had their names in the credits let alone be forced to work with such incompetance day in and day out.
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