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Capitalism at its best I guess, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
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omfg duck duck should come out of retirement for this one so he can cheese everyone for the epic win. he's got nothing to lose.
no foreigner is gonna compete because they have 0% chance to win it. whereas the top koreans have some chance, but not a guaranteed chance. the past few years have proven sc2 is too volatile and involves too much random chance and not enough skill, hence there will never be a "best" player for longer than a few months. so it'll be interesting to see who decides to attend. the whole thing is like one giant series of coin flips
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I just don't get how people can think it's bad. Howis it different than the olympics for example ? where only the gold medal is important for a career, media coverage, etc....
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On January 29 2014 03:39 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 03:24 Lazzi wrote:On January 29 2014 03:04 Wingblade wrote:On January 29 2014 03:01 Noobity wrote:On January 28 2014 04:38 shinobi112 wrote:On January 28 2014 04:35 Qwyn wrote:
This is really, really stupid. Thanks for giving all the other competitors in this thing no reward for their efforts whatsoever...
Honestly, what the fuck? This seems like more of the thing where a lot of talent would STAY AWAY just because there's no fucking point if they're just going to lose to a Korean... Really, you believe any foreigner just says well I am going to lose a Korean, I might as well not go… If you are going to lose to a korean mentality and there are 10 koreans you are not going to participate anyways because you will be knocked out first round before any money anyways… They all are INVITED to this tournament after getting other prize money earlier in the year… THIS is like a BONUS tournament… with a BONUS prize of 100,000 so… All these players already got paid for their efforts. I believe there are plenty of pretty good foreign pros that are going to pass on this invite or not. If I were scarlett and had to choose between traveling to IEM or staying home and practicing for an upcoming premiere league match, for instance, I'd be damned sure to practice for premiere league over a small chance for $100k, and more likely $0. There's not a single pro gamer, Korean or otherwise, that has a great chance at winning such a large event. I don't tend to watch IEMs, I don't enjoy them as much as the other tournaments. A $100k prize to first place is not going to increase my likelihood of watching it. I respect the idea behind it and the goal, but I can't help but feel this is going to be a negative all things considered. I think it's just the wrong way to go about it. But good luck, IEM. I hope I'm wrong  Practice? Playing in a live high pressure tournament setting against the worlds best is better than any practice one can get sitting at their home computer laddering or even in-team custom games. I second that. The best practice for tournaments is actually playing in tournament. Oh god you guys have obviously never ever competed in anything. No the best practice is sitting at home practicing. It's 10+ hours in a comfortable environment with no pressure and the ability to simply practice whatever build you want vs being in a high pressure situation, having to wait between series and having to play mindgames build order wise. A lot of pros have said in the past that their play has suffered due to them not being able to practice decently while traveling all the time.
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sarcasm?
or you are simply trolling?
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On January 29 2014 05:22 xuanzue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 03:39 Lorch wrote:On January 29 2014 03:24 Lazzi wrote:On January 29 2014 03:04 Wingblade wrote:On January 29 2014 03:01 Noobity wrote:On January 28 2014 04:38 shinobi112 wrote:On January 28 2014 04:35 Qwyn wrote:
This is really, really stupid. Thanks for giving all the other competitors in this thing no reward for their efforts whatsoever...
Honestly, what the fuck? This seems like more of the thing where a lot of talent would STAY AWAY just because there's no fucking point if they're just going to lose to a Korean... Really, you believe any foreigner just says well I am going to lose a Korean, I might as well not go… If you are going to lose to a korean mentality and there are 10 koreans you are not going to participate anyways because you will be knocked out first round before any money anyways… They all are INVITED to this tournament after getting other prize money earlier in the year… THIS is like a BONUS tournament… with a BONUS prize of 100,000 so… All these players already got paid for their efforts. I believe there are plenty of pretty good foreign pros that are going to pass on this invite or not. If I were scarlett and had to choose between traveling to IEM or staying home and practicing for an upcoming premiere league match, for instance, I'd be damned sure to practice for premiere league over a small chance for $100k, and more likely $0. There's not a single pro gamer, Korean or otherwise, that has a great chance at winning such a large event. I don't tend to watch IEMs, I don't enjoy them as much as the other tournaments. A $100k prize to first place is not going to increase my likelihood of watching it. I respect the idea behind it and the goal, but I can't help but feel this is going to be a negative all things considered. I think it's just the wrong way to go about it. But good luck, IEM. I hope I'm wrong Practice? Playing in a live high pressure tournament setting against the worlds best is better than any practice one can get sitting at their home computer laddering or even in-team custom games. I second that. The best practice for tournaments is actually playing in tournament. Oh god you guys have obviously never ever competed in anything. No the best practice is sitting at home practicing. It's 10+ hours in a comfortable environment with no pressure and the ability to simply practice whatever build you want vs being in a high pressure situation, having to wait between series and having to play mindgames build order wise. A lot of pros have said in the past that their play has suffered due to them not being able to practice decently while traveling all the time. ... sarcasm? or you are simply trolling?
No, he is simply right.
There is a difference between constructive practice and gaining experience
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I don't like this. But it's going to make me watch my first SC tournament in a long time because holy shit the finals are going to be epic (unless there is collusion).
Hmm :p
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this is total bullshit. in particular because the grand final is destined to be some lame, cheesy, stinky, coinflippy pvp between super and myungsik or something like that.
what i also dont like is the extreme importance it places on the finals. if the finals is lame, the tournament as a whole will be emotionally unsatisfactory. no one will care about great ro8 or ro4 series in a winner takes all tournament.
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On January 29 2014 04:38 FilthyRake wrote:
I have never watched an IEM tournament before, but you better believe I am going to watch the HELL out of this one.
$100k winner-take-all? Yes please! Sounds epic to me. I want to see MC cheese the ever-living-crap out of people repeatedly in a bid to win the whole thing. I want to see scrappy, crazy, seriously non-standard StarCraft here.
I also think it is really valuable for other tournaments/tournament organizers to see the community reaction to this. Thinking about taking a risk? Thinking about changing it up? Get ready for some serious hate. I've personally sponsored a few $k for tournaments, and was planning on a $10k tournament in the next year, and things like this really make me think twice about what exactly my plans/goals were and how they would be received by everyone.
you're worried that if you have bad ideas someone might call you out on them? on the internet? oh my god.
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I see a lot of people saying that the prize distribution will make the games better and different. I honestly don't think this will have much affect on gameplay...
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On January 29 2014 05:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
I see a lot of people saying that the prize distribution will make the games better and different. I honestly don't think this will have much affect on gameplay...
if anything, it will lead to more defensive play because no one wants to get caught by stupid cheese; and only inferior players will risk going for cheese or aggressive tactics either. so i expect a lot of snorefests in the nonmirrors and cheesefests in mirrors....
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I think they should spread it out a little more
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On January 29 2014 06:16 WightyCity wrote:
I think they should spread it out a little more
99.999$ for 1st and 1$ for 2nd?
I think the winner takes all is good if you consider its a tournament to sum up 2013/2014 IEM season in which only top players from regular IEM take part.
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On January 29 2014 05:47 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 05:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
I see a lot of people saying that the prize distribution will make the games better and different. I honestly don't think this will have much affect on gameplay... if anything, it will lead to more defensive play because no one wants to get caught by stupid cheese; and only inferior players will risk going for cheese or aggressive tactics either. so i expect a lot of snorefests in the nonmirrors and cheesefests in mirrors....
Players aren't stupid. If they know someone is going to play it safe they will use that to work against them. Teching up or taking more bases you can't just sit at home the entire game and expect to win. Rarely does it happen amongst professional games.
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On January 29 2014 06:42 TeslasPigeon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 05:47 Black Gun wrote:On January 29 2014 05:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
I see a lot of people saying that the prize distribution will make the games better and different. I honestly don't think this will have much affect on gameplay... if anything, it will lead to more defensive play because no one wants to get caught by stupid cheese; and only inferior players will risk going for cheese or aggressive tactics either. so i expect a lot of snorefests in the nonmirrors and cheesefests in mirrors.... Players aren't stupid. If they know someone is going to play it safe they will use that to work against them. Teching up or taking more bases you can't just sit at home the entire game and expect to win. Rarely does it happen amongst professional games.
Yeah, people will play this out just like any other tournament. It'll have average viewer numbers, the players will show their usual strategies, the games will be as good as they always are, the only difference is 15 players will go home with nothing.
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On January 29 2014 05:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 05:22 xuanzue wrote:On January 29 2014 03:39 Lorch wrote:On January 29 2014 03:24 Lazzi wrote:On January 29 2014 03:04 Wingblade wrote:On January 29 2014 03:01 Noobity wrote:On January 28 2014 04:38 shinobi112 wrote:On January 28 2014 04:35 Qwyn wrote:
This is really, really stupid. Thanks for giving all the other competitors in this thing no reward for their efforts whatsoever...
Honestly, what the fuck? This seems like more of the thing where a lot of talent would STAY AWAY just because there's no fucking point if they're just going to lose to a Korean... Really, you believe any foreigner just says well I am going to lose a Korean, I might as well not go… If you are going to lose to a korean mentality and there are 10 koreans you are not going to participate anyways because you will be knocked out first round before any money anyways… They all are INVITED to this tournament after getting other prize money earlier in the year… THIS is like a BONUS tournament… with a BONUS prize of 100,000 so… All these players already got paid for their efforts. I believe there are plenty of pretty good foreign pros that are going to pass on this invite or not. If I were scarlett and had to choose between traveling to IEM or staying home and practicing for an upcoming premiere league match, for instance, I'd be damned sure to practice for premiere league over a small chance for $100k, and more likely $0. There's not a single pro gamer, Korean or otherwise, that has a great chance at winning such a large event. I don't tend to watch IEMs, I don't enjoy them as much as the other tournaments. A $100k prize to first place is not going to increase my likelihood of watching it. I respect the idea behind it and the goal, but I can't help but feel this is going to be a negative all things considered. I think it's just the wrong way to go about it. But good luck, IEM. I hope I'm wrong Practice? Playing in a live high pressure tournament setting against the worlds best is better than any practice one can get sitting at their home computer laddering or even in-team custom games. I second that. The best practice for tournaments is actually playing in tournament. Oh god you guys have obviously never ever competed in anything. No the best practice is sitting at home practicing. It's 10+ hours in a comfortable environment with no pressure and the ability to simply practice whatever build you want vs being in a high pressure situation, having to wait between series and having to play mindgames build order wise. A lot of pros have said in the past that their play has suffered due to them not being able to practice decently while traveling all the time. ... sarcasm? or you are simply trolling? No, he is simply right. There is a difference between constructive practice and gaining experience
Yeah, experience caps at level 35.
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On January 29 2014 05:35 Cheren wrote:
you're worried that if you have bad ideas someone might call you out on them? on the internet? oh my god.
The point is: If everyone is just going to shit on you for putting hard work/time/money into the community, why should you bother?
I contribute to the SC2 community because I love StarCraft and eSports, and want to give back. But if I thought I would be treated the way IEM is being treated here... why would I do it? I could just save myself the hassle and a lot of money.
Now, its slightly different for IEM. I am a person, they are a company. They cant just take their ball and go home, because it would sort of defeat the purpose of their business model. But if I were getting into the scene, this sort of thing would definitely make me think twice.
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watching chanman show talking about this and I agree 100% with Kennigit... this tournament will have only people who are sure to win and people will prepare amazing stuff for this, even more efforts for blizzcon cause you want to WIN.
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Nice. Everything on the line, to the death. Can't hurt, unless you're one of the guys gunning for top 8...
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Will be interesting but the runner up will probably uninstall SC2 after losing Kappa
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