On January 29 2014 08:13 shabby wrote: If you don't play to win, then whats the point anyway, tbh. In most other individual sports 99% of the participants are basically losers, and most have real jobs on the side to be able to support themselves/their family. They do it because they think its fun/they can/they want to become the great or whatever. The Winter Olympics start in 10 days, and the vast majority there will do nothing but show up and lose. Don't see them complaining. Getting there is an achievement in itself.
Don't shit in IEM for trying out something new. Be super thankful that they throw $100k at SC2 in addition to all the other tournaments they run through the year.
Name one individual sport that doesn't pay out beyond the winner, and I'll show you a dead/dying sport.
I can name many. It is called the Olympics. You spend 15 years of your life and you get a fake gold medal.
Almost every sport in the Olympics has multiple events and a farm system that provides financial stability.
They do not get paid a single $1. All they get is a fake gold medal for spending their whole lives practising and sacrificing for. It is called glory. If you want to call it a farm system, I can also call them team houses.
Okay dude. Your vast knowledge of international sports is clearly showing.
Don't be so condescending and get off your high horse. That stupid pen icon does not make you intelligent, nor well read, nor even close to being right. There have been countless olympians who have sacrificed everything for just that gold medal. No monetary reward. Just glory is sufficient.
Don't be so proud of yourself since your analogy isn't so smart either. Besides gold medals, there're guess what silver medals and bronze medals. If olympics paid winner $100K and nothing to other players I'm sure many people will have a problem with that.
A fake silver medal and a geniune bronze medal. They all get nothing. Not a single $1. How old are you people who are arguing against this point? I guess not old enough to remember the amateur days. Look in the dictionary what amateur means and come back to me. Now go sit in the ignorant corner.
Point is you failed to provide a popular sport event that payout only to the winner. The Olympics doesn't pay anybody at all, hence it is not a counter example. GG.
Commonwealth Games (google it) is another example. What about the special Olympics? There are heaps of examples where participation and pride are all you get. They should be happy to be there. Winner takes all. Get over it you prima donnas. Who's the worlds best badminton player and what did they earn last tourney? Exactly.
I like the idea. Yes some people will be upset, but I'd like to see players always trying their very best and all players having the possibility to win because lets be honest their are a ton of players who always show up to events knowing in their head its almost impossible they will actually win and I'm sure if they get matched up against someone like JD some wont try as hard because they know the game is lost. But this is all or nothing the only people who should compete in this type of tournament who have the realistic expectation that they can win. Plus this will bring a huge amount of excitement to a match with best of one as well. I cannot wait for this, hopefully it does well with viewers because this may set precedents for new tournaments maybe hopefully picking Starcraft back up, yes it is pretty un likely but who knows I'm just hoping.
On January 29 2014 08:13 shabby wrote: If you don't play to win, then whats the point anyway, tbh. In most other individual sports 99% of the participants are basically losers, and most have real jobs on the side to be able to support themselves/their family. They do it because they think its fun/they can/they want to become the great or whatever. The Winter Olympics start in 10 days, and the vast majority there will do nothing but show up and lose. Don't see them complaining. Getting there is an achievement in itself.
Don't shit in IEM for trying out something new. Be super thankful that they throw $100k at SC2 in addition to all the other tournaments they run through the year.
Name one individual sport that doesn't pay out beyond the winner, and I'll show you a dead/dying sport.
I can name many. It is called the Olympics. You spend 15 years of your life and you get a fake gold medal.
Almost every sport in the Olympics has multiple events and a farm system that provides financial stability.
They do not get paid a single $1. All they get is a fake gold medal for spending their whole lives practising and sacrificing for. It is called glory. If you want to call it a farm system, I can also call them team houses.
Okay dude. Your vast knowledge of international sports is clearly showing.
Don't be so condescending and get off your high horse. That stupid pen icon does not make you intelligent, nor well read, nor even close to being right. There have been countless olympians who have sacrificed everything for just that gold medal. No monetary reward. Just glory is sufficient.
Don't be so proud of yourself since your analogy isn't so smart either. Besides gold medals, there're guess what silver medals and bronze medals. If olympics paid winner $100K and nothing to other players I'm sure many people will have a problem with that.
A fake silver medal and a geniune bronze medal. They all get nothing. Not a single $1. How old are you people who are arguing against this point? I guess not old enough to remember the amateur days. Look in the dictionary what amateur means and come back to me. Now go sit in the ignorant corner.
On January 29 2014 08:13 shabby wrote: If you don't play to win, then whats the point anyway, tbh. In most other individual sports 99% of the participants are basically losers, and most have real jobs on the side to be able to support themselves/their family. They do it because they think its fun/they can/they want to become the great or whatever. The Winter Olympics start in 10 days, and the vast majority there will do nothing but show up and lose. Don't see them complaining. Getting there is an achievement in itself.
Don't shit in IEM for trying out something new. Be super thankful that they throw $100k at SC2 in addition to all the other tournaments they run through the year.
Name one individual sport that doesn't pay out beyond the winner, and I'll show you a dead/dying sport.
You misunderstand me. Paying out to top 3 or top 1 in for instance biathlon does not make a difference in the large scheme. There are still a hundred people not getting paid. All these people are still "professionals", yet they cannot sustain a living off of bad results. It is only natural. Lets say 120 people go cross-country for a few races, and you're the best representative from China, and you place 89th, 77th and 102nd. Do you get paid by the tournament organizer? No, you don't. Money goes to the winners, and about 99% are by definition losers.
On January 29 2014 08:13 shabby wrote: If you don't play to win, then whats the point anyway, tbh. In most other individual sports 99% of the participants are basically losers, and most have real jobs on the side to be able to support themselves/their family. They do it because they think its fun/they can/they want to become the great or whatever. The Winter Olympics start in 10 days, and the vast majority there will do nothing but show up and lose. Don't see them complaining. Getting there is an achievement in itself.
Don't shit in IEM for trying out something new. Be super thankful that they throw $100k at SC2 in addition to all the other tournaments they run through the year.
Name one individual sport that doesn't pay out beyond the winner, and I'll show you a dead/dying sport.
I can name many. It is called the Olympics. You spend 15 years of your life and you get a fake gold medal.
Almost every sport in the Olympics has multiple events and a farm system that provides financial stability.
They do not get paid a single $1. All they get is a fake gold medal for spending their whole lives practising and sacrificing for. It is called glory. If you want to call it a farm system, I can also call them team houses.
Okay dude. Your vast knowledge of international sports is clearly showing.
Don't be so condescending and get off your high horse. That stupid pen icon does not make you intelligent, nor well read, nor even close to being right. There have been countless olympians who have sacrificed everything for just that gold medal. No monetary reward. Just glory is sufficient.
Don't be so proud of yourself since your analogy isn't so smart either. Besides gold medals, there're guess what silver medals and bronze medals. If olympics paid winner $100K and nothing to other players I'm sure many people will have a problem with that.
A fake silver medal and a geniune bronze medal. They all get nothing. Not a single $1. How old are you people who are arguing against this point? I guess not old enough to remember the amateur days. Look in the dictionary what amateur means and come back to me. Now go sit in the ignorant corner.
The medal in itself is close to worthless. (650$) And the compensation is not from the Olympics, it's from sponsors and teams (countries).
So it's like this: Bomber loses IEM global final, gets nothing, but Redbull pays him 10K because he got to the finals. Is he getting compensated? Yes. By the tournament? No.
On January 29 2014 15:53 sixfour wrote: yes, because sc2 needs even more top heavy payout structures. players will obviously deal anyway
The ones who qualifie for this tourny are already top player, you have to be in a final of an IEM
Revival and Oz don't even have a team, and looking at their sc2 earnings they're not sitting on piles of cash.
They have been on EG for the last year competing in the Proleague and attending many international events. I'm pretty sure that they were better off than a huge majority of players.
Name one individual sport that doesn't pay out beyond the winner, and I'll show you a dead/dying sport.
I can name many. It is called the Olympics. You spend 15 years of your life and you get a fake gold medal.
Almost every sport in the Olympics has multiple events and a farm system that provides financial stability.
They do not get paid a single $1. All they get is a fake gold medal for spending their whole lives practising and sacrificing for. It is called glory. If you want to call it a farm system, I can also call them team houses.
Okay dude. Your vast knowledge of international sports is clearly showing.
Don't be so condescending and get off your high horse. That stupid pen icon does not make you intelligent, nor well read, nor even close to being right. There have been countless olympians who have sacrificed everything for just that gold medal. No monetary reward. Just glory is sufficient.
Don't be so proud of yourself since your analogy isn't so smart either. Besides gold medals, there're guess what silver medals and bronze medals. If olympics paid winner $100K and nothing to other players I'm sure many people will have a problem with that.
A fake silver medal and a geniune bronze medal. They all get nothing. Not a single $1. How old are you people who are arguing against this point? I guess not old enough to remember the amateur days. Look in the dictionary what amateur means and come back to me. Now go sit in the ignorant corner.
Point is you failed to provide a popular sport event that payout only to the winner. The Olympics doesn't pay anybody at all, hence it is not a counter example. GG.
Commonwealth Games (google it) is another example. What about the special Olympics? There are heaps of examples where participation and pride are all you get. They should be happy to be there. Winner takes all. Get over it you prima donnas. Who's the worlds best badminton player and what did they earn last tourney? Exactly.
Best badminton players are Lee Chong Wei and Lin Dan. Lee Chong Wei won 105 000$ at the Malaysian Open a couple of weeks ago...
I love a format like this. Esports is to charitable. Only the best of the best should be able to make a living off of this game. Players who don't win or even place in the top 3 of tournaments like Demuslim, suppy, qxc, and others shouldn't be able to make a living off of this game.
On January 30 2014 00:47 Teker wrote: I love a format like this. Esports is to charitable. Only the best of the best should be able to make a living off of this game. Players who don't win or even place in the top 3 of tournaments like Demuslim, suppy, qxc, and others shouldn't be able to make a living off of this game.
On January 30 2014 00:47 Teker wrote: I love a format like this. Esports is to charitable. Only the best of the best should be able to make a living off of this game. Players who don't win or even place in the top 3 of tournaments like Demuslim, suppy, qxc, and others shouldn't be able to make a living off of this game.
The reason those player can make a living is because of the salary of their team, so whatever opinion you have towards them is totally irrelevant to the prize pool discussion of this tournament imo.
The reason those player can make a living is because of the salary of their team, so whatever opinion you have towards them is totally irrelevant to the prize pool discussion of this tournament imo.
So then why are people making such a big deal out of this? If players make their living off of salaries, then why is prize money such a huge issue?
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