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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On February 07 2014 03:34 Sif_ wrote: Splitting the prize money seems kinda wrong to me though... Takes the whole point away from actually winning/bringing your A game they could agree before the finals that the winner gets 70k and loser 30k or something like that. | ||
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chaos021
United States258 Posts
On January 31 2014 19:45 dizzy101 wrote: If I were in charge of a team, I would have been in touch with other teamowners already, to show a willingness to split the prize money. And you would be an idiot for the possible PR damage that would follow if it were to get out you did. Let them do that as players if they're willing to do it at all. | ||
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contv
35 Posts
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fallenmongol
5 Posts
On February 07 2014 09:24 contv wrote: Keep in mind that by the time two players make it to the finals (think players like Soulkey, Rain, Innovation), they are going to believe they are #1. Splitting the pot when you truly believe you will win and take the $100k is just making a donation to the other player. Second, it's not like korean teams don't share the winnings of their players anyway. It's still helping numerous people in the scene, just not those who (had their travel expenses covered) and fell short. If you are in the finals, it would be REALLY STUPID not to split. Nothing is guaranteed in SC2. No one is dominating the tournaments right now. Top Koreans players are equally matched. It's not about winner gets 100K. It's about loser gets NOTHING. Those players are not stupid. 1st and 2nd place winners WILL SPLIT that 100K. So stop this bullcrap about how winner will take everything. | ||
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dizzy101
Netherlands2066 Posts
On February 07 2014 08:59 chaos021 wrote:And you would be an idiot for the possible PR damage that would follow if it were to get out you did. Let them do that as players if they're willing to do it at all. So the choice is between a) potentially a bit of PR damage if it were to be found out, or b) giving up a guaranteed 50k. Well, I'll take the money and risk a). Who knows the kind of deals that take place behind closed doors anyways? That stuff surely doesn't leak onto TL or Reddit. Look at how little people know about player's salaries. It wouldn't be too hard to keep it hidden. Bottom line is: ESL have made the prize structure so top-heavy that NOT rigging the game is just simply STUPID. | ||
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goody153
44283 Posts
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:10 fallenmongol wrote: If you are in the finals, it would be REALLY STUPID not to split. Nothing is guaranteed in SC2. No one is dominating the tournaments right now. Top Koreans players are equally matched. It's not about winner gets 100K. It's about loser gets NOTHING. Those players are not stupid. 1st and 2nd place winners WILL SPLIT that 100K. So stop this bullcrap about how winner will take everything. What stops the winner from making this deal beforehand and then going back on it after they win? It's not like the loser could come forward with that, collusion is taken extremely seriously in this scene. It would be a lot worse than "some PR damage". Also, the loser wouldn't have any real legal right to that money so really in a deal like that the loser is simply at the mercy of the winner to play nice. Is that worth it? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:31 Wingblade wrote: What stops the winner from making this deal beforehand and then going back on it after they win? It's not like the loser could come forward with that, collusion is taken extremely seriously in this scene. It would be a lot worse than "some PR damage". Also, the loser wouldn't have any real legal right to that money so really in a deal like that the loser is simply at the mercy of the winner to play nice. Is that worth it? There is nothing stopping the winner from doing that, except that is a total ass hole move. And those who pot split do not talk about splitting the pot. Didn't you all see fight club? You don't talk about fight club. | ||
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
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fallenmongol
5 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:31 Wingblade wrote: What stops the winner from making this deal beforehand and then going back on it after they win? It's not like the loser could come forward with that, collusion is taken extremely seriously in this scene. It would be a lot worse than "some PR damage". Also, the loser wouldn't have any real legal right to that money so really in a deal like that the loser is simply at the mercy of the winner to play nice. Is that worth it? "What stops the winner from making this deal beforehand and then going back on it after they win?" Any anonymous post about it will make the winner public enemy #1. Internet vigilante is strong. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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djraphi23
France2262 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On February 20 2014 01:24 bo1b wrote: I feel there is a real difference between collusion and prize money splitting. Yes, if the split was 50-50, then it is more collusion. If it is something like 70/30 like in all other tournaments, then I think it is different, both players would still try their best to win. Honestly, it might not just be the finals, I wouldn't be surprised if the semi finalist all work out a deal. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On January 29 2014 11:51 lopido wrote: there is nothing wrong with that. that will make every match and series more exciting than ever, you loose 1 series and you are out with 0 penny. that will make the players works harder to deserve their money and not just shows off to get eliminated in round of 16 and go back home with 5k$. Lol , top 16 last year got $1500 and Yoda got $30,000. Do you think any of the players went to IEM thinking it would be great to just get the $1500? This might be true for high salaries pro sports where the average players are making millions a year. But for SC2, the number 50 earner is Sniper who has earned $55K is like 3 years, that is less than 2K per month... | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On February 20 2014 02:29 LimeNade wrote: Fools when Jaedong wins the open bracket and takes first place in the tournament he not going to split that 100k with anyone. Dude is a cold hearted killer, he shares no sympathy for his opponents! Lol, looking at JD record in the finals, I don't think his opponent would want to split  | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1603 Posts
On February 20 2014 02:22 vthree wrote: Yes, if the split was 50-50, then it is more collusion. If it is something like 70/30 like in all other tournaments, then I think it is different, both players would still try their best to win. Honestly, it might not just be the finals, I wouldn't be surprised if the semi finalist all work out a deal. Even if the split was 50/50 and they both tried their hardest to win, for solely the prestige of winning it wouldn't be collusion and even if they gave up SHIT games each one of them joked around it would not be collusion. There is no unfair advantage to other players they both agreed to the deal. Collusion would be throwing a series in a group stage to give a partner an advantage in the group. Collusion would be throwing a game for payment. Edit: Also I don't know if Koreans think exactly like us foreigners. They might keep it WTA style, but even if they didn't I doubt anyone gets it down to even 60/40 and even if they did an extra 20,000 is worth playing for. I don't see what everyone is fussing about this. It isn't even a piss poor strategy unless you know you have your opponent dominated. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On February 20 2014 02:37 vthree wrote: Lol, looking at JD record in the finals, I don't think his opponent would want to split Yea that's all part of JD's plan. They'll think that and won't even offer to split the money and then WHAM JD stomps on their face | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
1st 80k, 2nd 15k, 3rd/4th 2,5k. | ||
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