EPTIEM World Championship to be Winner Takes All for $100,000…
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movac
Canada494 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 20 2014 02:36 vthree wrote: Lol , top 16 last year got $1500 and Yoda got $30,000. Do you think any of the players went to IEM thinking it would be great to just get the $1500? This might be true for high salaries pro sports where the average players are making millions a year. But for SC2, the number 50 earner is Sniper who has earned $55K is like 3 years, that is less than 2K per month... Oh good, such a poor boy, makes only 4 times more than I do, by playing a game! That must be so terrible ... This thread is another example how useless TL has become. People come here only to show that they are also capable of taking the same mainstream position as everyone and thus they are equally worthy, mature and whatnot, so the whole thread is an infinite repeat of the same recycled "opinion". Crying about ESL not "contributing to the scene" and the "poor mid-tier players" and all that shit is laughably absurd. This whole thing is supposed to be for fun. Nothing is more fun in competition than when winner takes it all. The fact that someone pulls such a tourney off even with this "community" trying to hunt them down, is a huge achievement. I really don't get it why TL has everything backwards these days. Where there is a need for a good old pitchforking, the thread is full of young progressive businesmen trying to protect the holy identity of the corporate world - and when the very same company does something totally cool for a change, the thread is full of pitchforks ... | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12538 Posts
On February 20 2014 03:02 opisska wrote: Nothing is more fun in competition than when winner takes it all. Come up with an argumentation for this, please, cause I'm actually curious to see you do it. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 20 2014 03:10 Nebuchad wrote: Come up with an argumentation for this, please, cause I'm actually curious to see you do it. You really do need logical argumentation for fun? Do you mathematically analyse whether you should be excited before you become so? I like watching people fight for something. It's emotionally much stronger when the loser leaves with empty hands, than when he gets half of what the winner has. Can you imagine it, being one game from $100K and then walking out with nothing. That's what I call drama! | ||
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WiggyB
United Kingdom103 Posts
There are other ways to support the scene than giving mid tier players more chance's at money Say I don't know, A massive prize? Has any single payout been bigger than this? I know blizzcon was $100,000, but that takes a year to earn. This is $100,000 for a weekend tournament! I personally think this is a great story line. The line up is sick (Maybe a few more terrans would be nice :p, but that's the same as every tournament recently) And you know that the players are gonna fight tooth and nail for this. I'm expecting sick games. I can see why players might not be excited about this, but it's good for the viewer. Good viewing means more views, more views means bigger scene and more money in it (At least that's the theory anyway) Just imagine, in the finals, it's 3-3. One more game for $100,000? How fucking tense is that gonna be? This tournament could be stuff of legend Why is everyone shitting on this so hard? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12538 Posts
On February 20 2014 03:17 opisska wrote: You really do need logical argumentation for fun? Do you mathematically analyse whether you should be excited before you become so? I like watching people fight for something. It's emotionally much stronger when the loser leaves with empty hands, than when he gets half of what the winner has. Can you imagine it, being one game from $100K and then walking out with nothing. That's what I call drama! I wasn't sarcastic, I was actually curious to see you make a case for it, basically because in order for it to be true, you need to have a logical argumentation for fun, which makes no sense. I'm glad we're on the same page. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 20 2014 03:47 Nebuchad wrote: I wasn't sarcastic, I was actually curious to see you make a case for it, basically because in order for it to be true, you need to have a logical argumentation for fun, which makes no sense. I'm glad we're on the same page. Good. I should have said that it is more fun for me, or that I can't imagine how it is not more fun for someone. It's really personal, you're right. But I present one subjective argument: I am already excited about it  even though it is one month ahead and I won't be able to watch it live  | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On February 20 2014 03:02 opisska wrote: Oh good, such a poor boy, makes only 4 times more than I do, by playing a game! That must be so terrible ... This thread is another example how useless TL has become. People come here only to show that they are also capable of taking the same mainstream position as everyone and thus they are equally worthy, mature and whatnot, so the whole thread is an infinite repeat of the same recycled "opinion". Crying about ESL not "contributing to the scene" and the "poor mid-tier players" and all that shit is laughably absurd. This whole thing is supposed to be for fun. Nothing is more fun in competition than when winner takes it all. The fact that someone pulls such a tourney off even with this "community" trying to hunt them down, is a huge achievement. I really don't get it why TL has everything backwards these days. Where there is a need for a good old pitchforking, the thread is full of young progressive businesmen trying to protect the holy identity of the corporate world - and when the very same company does something totally cool for a change, the thread is full of pitchforks ... I make that much money as a waiter in a mid tier restaurant, while also attending school full time. If I was working professionally, only making this much money, I would be depressed. The cost of living is not low worldwide. My city and state has a pretty low cost of living, but still 2k per month barely gets an individual a decent life. Vacations are only possible for single people who live without splurging. The fact of the matter is, if a progamer makes 2k per month while not paying any housing or flights etc, then they are pretty well off, but not very well off. An off season could potentially hurt their position much more than a slow month would at my restaurant. Now, to state clearly, tournaments like this are indeed "fun" and "exciting", but I disagree with just how much money isn't being thrown out. 125k per 5 tournaments but 100k in 1 tournament and to only 1 person? Correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't have a computer and find it hard to do much research on my phone with my time, but that doesn't seem reasonable. It very much seems to disregard the industry standard and selfishly benefit an individual company too much. I like the idea, and agree it'll create an awesome tournament, but should be done in a much smarter way. Also, this type of announcement should never be made on such short notice (a few months is short notice). It's cool that they are doing it this way (IEM's being qualifiers rather than hosting an invitational), but this tournament is not realistic to everyone. People also spend accordingly and distribute their finances variously, which could then lead this tournament to be very unrealistic. If everyone had known earlier, all the hype would be there, and people would be screwed. Imagine if your workplace told you (next month, the most productive worker will collect everyone's salary, but it's okay because I'll buy you lunch). There is just a lot wrong with this, even though the concept is nice. Either way, all we can do is hope that these tournaments come scarcly and organizers maintain a sharp head on their shoulders, and accept this tournament with anticipation. | ||
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ivancype
Brazil485 Posts
On February 20 2014 03:00 movac wrote: Is this going to be a Tier 1 tournament for 1500 WCS points for the champion? I would like it to be but apparently it is not going to, although all basic requirements besides map pool, which was not revealed yet I think, were met. | ||
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chaos021
United States258 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:17 dizzy101 wrote: So the choice is between a) potentially a bit of PR damage if it were to be found out, or b) giving up a guaranteed 50k. Well, I'll take the money and risk a). Who knows the kind of deals that take place behind closed doors anyways? That stuff surely doesn't leak onto TL or Reddit. Look at how little people know about player's salaries. It wouldn't be too hard to keep it hidden. Bottom line is: ESL have made the prize structure so top-heavy that NOT rigging the game is just simply STUPID. No doubt, and personally, I completely agree. The part I disagree with is is the supposition of team managers getting onboard with this sort of backroom dealing. That seems absolutely crazy. On February 20 2014 03:02 opisska wrote: Oh good, such a poor boy, makes only 4 times more than I do, by playing a game! That must be so terrible ... This thread is another example how useless TL has become. People come here only to show that they are also capable of taking the same mainstream position as everyone and thus they are equally worthy, mature and whatnot, so the whole thread is an infinite repeat of the same recycled "opinion". Crying about ESL not "contributing to the scene" and the "poor mid-tier players" and all that shit is laughably absurd. This whole thing is supposed to be for fun. Nothing is more fun in competition than when winner takes it all. The fact that someone pulls such a tourney off even with this "community" trying to hunt them down, is a huge achievement. I really don't get it why TL has everything backwards these days. Where there is a need for a good old pitchforking, the thread is full of young progressive businesmen trying to protect the holy identity of the corporate world - and when the very same company does something totally cool for a change, the thread is full of pitchforks ... Right... I guess you light cigars with $100 bills for shits and giggles. When has doing something for $100k ever been purely for fun? I'll go on a game show with a chance to win tons of money for fun, but you better believe everyone is there for the money. Pro players aren't wasting valuable years of their lives for fun. Most, if not all, think they have a reasonable chance to make money doing this. I think I can make that supposition safely. It may be fun for the viewers, but it's work for them. | ||
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ClueClueClue
Sweden1203 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On February 20 2014 03:17 opisska wrote: You really do need logical argumentation for fun? Do you mathematically analyse whether you should be excited before you become so? I like watching people fight for something. It's emotionally much stronger when the loser leaves with empty hands, than when he gets half of what the winner has. Can you imagine it, being one game from $100K and then walking out with nothing. That's what I call drama! By your logic, all WCS tournaments shouldn't have any payout and the winner of Blizzcon should get like $2 million, right? There is a reason tournaments from all sports have a tiered payout structure... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:35 vthree wrote: By your logic, all WCS tournaments shouldn't have any payout and the winner of Blizzcon should get like $2 million, right? There is a reason tournaments from all sports have a tiered payout structure... No, because he never specified that is should be for every tournament or that it was good all the time. He can be pumped about this event and still be pumped for other events. We are not forced into a binary decision of being for or against a single winner takes all event. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On February 20 2014 09:59 Plansix wrote: No, because he never specified that is should be for every tournament or that it was good all the time. He can be pumped about this event and still be pumped for other events. We are not forced into a binary decision of being for or against a single winner takes all event. Yes, but the post we are responding to is that players try harder because it is a winner's take all. Which we are arguing is not the case. And the statement 'Nothing is more fun in competition than when winner takes it all" did not specified it was just for this tournament either. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On February 20 2014 00:10 fallenmongol wrote: If you are in the finals, it would be REALLY STUPID not to split. Nothing is guaranteed in SC2. No one is dominating the tournaments right now. Top Koreans players are equally matched. It's not about winner gets 100K. It's about loser gets NOTHING. Those players are not stupid. 1st and 2nd place winners WILL SPLIT that 100K. So stop this bullcrap about how winner will take everything. MC will take everything | ||
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AceOfCakez
United States72 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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Penguinator
United States837 Posts
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covetousrat
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 17 2014 02:30 SC2Toastie wrote: Let's conclude WTA is a bad format. So unfair. Would you say the same thing if your favorite player won? It's definitely too early to conclude that WTA is bad, since this is the first time a premier tournament did it. Beside, it's not like every Premier tournament is doing this, IEM is the only one toying with this. | ||
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