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Drmooose
United States390 Posts
On January 28 2014 07:51 Nesto wrote: man, Jaedong is gonna be pissed. Well if MKP comes back he won't have to worry about Konging it up anymore  On a serious note, I'm pretty excited. It's something new and no one is forcing anyone to play. Good luck to all!! | ||
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ManicMarine
Australia409 Posts
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dyDrawer
Canada438 Posts
well they better make sure that this happens only once.. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 28 2014 07:58 Drmooose wrote: Well if MKP comes back he won't have to worry about Konging it up anymore On a serious note, I'm pretty excited. It's something new and no one is forcing anyone to play. Good luck to all!! As has been stated before, the season is basically half-way finished. Players already signed up and qualified have been forced into this situation. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On January 28 2014 07:58 Drmooose wrote: Well if MKP comes back he won't have to worry about Konging it up anymore On a serious note, I'm pretty excited. It's something new and no one is forcing anyone to play. Good luck to all!! It's about the money that people won't be making. Not vice versa. The money is supposed to bring up the hype, but like many people are saying, it might backfire and make the tournament a lot more boring than a normal IEM. | ||
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IncubusSC
Canada57 Posts
On January 28 2014 07:56 Darkhoarse wrote: What an excellent addition to intelligent debate. As opposed to a bunch of NON-competitors whining about one single tournament being different than every other one. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:04 IncubusSC wrote: As opposed to a bunch of NON-competitors whining about one single tournament being different than every other one. At least they expressed some reasoning as to why they thought it was bad rather than going with, "You a little mad?" | ||
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Mifoi123
Canada42 Posts
On January 28 2014 07:55 Darkhoarse wrote: 1. this source of income is really just okay, not all that secure. 2. This tournament has existed for a few years. Also, they might not end up with "the best 16 players for the fans to watch" 3. once again, this 100k prize pool tournament has already existed 4. No argument here, it's new! 5. Any press is good press, but this is only partially hype and partially serious issues with how the tournament will be run 6. This is a weird thing to have on this list. 7. Yeah some people are because they want to maintain a fairly large base of players who can support themselves. Response to your 7. If there are too many pro-players it's diluting the gains of other players. If there are too few then the viewers are lacking diversity of play, i get that. So what is the right number? IDK, do you? A lot of poorly paid players or a few best that gets all the money? I vote for the ladder because I don't have 165hours per week to watch all the games. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:05 Mifoi123 wrote: Response to your 7. If there are too many pro-players it's diluting the gains of other players. If there are too few then the viewers are lacking diversity of play, i get that. So what is the right number? IDK, do you? A lot of poorly paid players or a few best that gets all the money? I vote for the ladder because I don't have 165hours per week to watch all the games. I don't know the right number of players, but I'd sure love for the Korea scene to be able to support teamleagues and have full GSL's of 32 in Code S and 48 in Code A. | ||
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IncubusSC
Canada57 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:05 Darkhoarse wrote: At least they expressed some reasoning as to why they thought it was bad rather than going with, "You a little mad?" I don't see the need to put in any concerted effort into arguing with kids over the internet about a video game haha. | ||
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SamuraiX-
United States52 Posts
On January 28 2014 07:46 Paragleiber wrote: Of course some people are already qualified. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VIII_-_World_Championship That Prize Pool section of the page is both hilarious and depressing all at the same time. lol | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
And my favourite Maltese gets things right: On January 28 2014 05:23 mikkmagro wrote: People forget that ESL was for a long time a big advocate for not having a top heavy prizepool for their regular circuit events. It is still that way for all their global championships, just not for the World Championship, which is one event. As for helping progamers make money, ESL is the organiser with the largest span of countries in which they organise events in as many continents and for as many scenes as possible. Singapore, Brazil, Ukraine...they go EVERYWHERE, and they always invite the 'local champion' directly into the tournament to give people a hometown favourite. They provide qualifiers for all the regions, including Taiwan, Oceania, etc to make sure everyone has a shot. Apart from that, they organise hundreds of smaller regional and local tournaments such as the ESL Euro Series, the EPS in Germany and Spain, weekly and monthly cups etc. So really, they deserve no criticism at all from that front. They're just doing one event differently. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:08 IncubusSC wrote: I don't see the need to put in any concerted effort into arguing with kids over the internet about a video game haha. If you actually felt that way you wouldn't have started doing it. And you certainly wouldn't still be doing it right now. | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
Pretty cool initiative from ESL, but I wish that they had chosen a slightly different format. Maybe more like a Red Bull BG format where the prize money was more evenly distributed where even the lowest players got decent money. I understand the winner takes all "world champion" mentality, but I don't think you can do that in a game like SC2. | ||
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IncubusSC
Canada57 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:11 Darkhoarse wrote: If you actually felt that way you wouldn't have started doing it. And you certainly wouldn't still be doing it right now. Yeah, because the message I've sent so far have been such a strain on my energy lol. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:14 IncubusSC wrote: Yeah, because the message I've sent so far have been such a strain on my energy lol. Haha whatever man. But you are sitting in front of your computer refreshing the page to see my replies and respond to them, so you can go ahead and drop the "I'm too cool for this shit" act. Or don't totally your call. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
100k as well... that's equal to the single highest prize in SC2, the WCS Globals. 50k I could kinda get behind but... still. | ||
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Epamynondas
387 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:14 IncubusSC wrote: Yeah, because the message I've sent so far have been such a strain on my energy lol. Growing old is natural. Growing up is optional. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:05 Mifoi123 wrote: Response to your 7. If there are too many pro-players it's diluting the gains of other players. If there are too few then the viewers are lacking diversity of play, i get that. So what is the right number? IDK, do you? A lot of poorly paid players or a few best that gets all the money? I vote for the ladder because I don't have 165hours per week to watch all the games. The scene has already cracked down on their overpopulation. There are still improvements to see, but this tournament does the opposite of improve upon this. You don't have 165 hours per week to watch, but you some people are free to watch on Mondays, others on Thursdays, and others on Sundays etc. you're not the only one in the world. Also, not every tournament has everyone's favorite players. Seeing your favorite play with the best is important to a lot if people, but if your favorite player has to retire because of shitty decisions like this, you'll be a sad panda. | ||
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ElBlanco
Australia140 Posts
Reading people say how they don't care about players is complete bullshit. They still have plenty of prize money to go around outside of this event and ultimately this money still goes to the players. If this helps them build their reputation and that of SC2 who the fuck are we or anyone in the scene to complain? This is a damn good thing for the scene as is the discussion it has generated. The hate here is totally misplaced. On January 28 2014 08:02 Shinta) wrote: It's about the money that people won't be making. Not vice versa. The money is supposed to bring up the hype, but like many people are saying, it might backfire and make the tournament a lot more boring than a normal IEM. That's not even a remote possibility, that's just the usual people trying to be as negative as possible about anything that happens in the SC2 scene. Have a look how much interest this has generated already even if a fair bit is negative. It has people talking about IEM at a time when really they have been slightly forgotten. IEM has basically taken a backseat to dreamhack. They are also competing with other esports events and decided to try something different. So far it's working and i have no problem with it. | ||
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