EPTIEM World Championship to be Winner Takes All for $100,000…
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lannisport
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:50 lannisport wrote: Love it. It's already generating so much hype/controversy. This thread is already as long as the Hyun thread. Why is "controversy" considered something good? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:51 Darkhoarse wrote: Why is "controversy" considered something good? It's good for ESL | ||
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UberNuB
United States365 Posts
No need for 200+ "pro" gamers in one game. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
For the viewership of this tournament, I don't really think it's that good for the long term. | ||
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triforks
United States370 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Steins;Gate
1422 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:49 Darkhoarse wrote: I just hope this is a one time novelty thing. I wouldn't mind if it's the same format for next years WC IEM. Distributed prize pool for the events leading up to the WC. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:54 Darkhoarse wrote: For the viewership of this tournament, I don't really think it's that good for the long term. All they care about is the viewership of this tournament, they will come up with something new for the ones after it. Or if you're into conspiracies this is the last IEM season with SC2 so they're going out with a bang and giving no fucks. | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:50 lannisport wrote: Love it. It's already generating so much hype/controversy. This thread is already as long as the Hyun thread. Only if it translates to high viewership. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:43 Darkhoarse wrote: I'm actually kind of coming around to this idea. flip flopper. You should run for president. | ||
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silentzero
Canada38 Posts
Still, lodging + ticket are already paid. Can't see how this is bad for the players. They always have the choice of not participating and even then, I'm pretty sure someone would gladly take their spot to get a chance to get the 100k prize. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:44 McRatyn wrote: If you have to retire because of one weekend tournament (world championship or not) then the problem lies a lot deeper than this and agonizing over the format is not even scraching the surface. That's one of the problems though: it does lie deeper than this. The current WCS Korea already decided to put every extra dollar of their prize pool into first place, there's an extreme lack of small grassroots tournaments with decent money outside of Europe, and participation in tournaments by a lot of players is usually limited by travel and schedule. When you look at the earnings of most players on a yearly basis, they usually don't come from single big results, they come from several good placements at whatever tournaments they can make it to. And tournaments like the IEM World Championship, or MLG Providence, or the WCS Finals are often a large chunk of many player's earnings, mostly because of the larger prize pool and travel/accommodation coverage. I mean, just looking at IEM WC 2013, that money was 10-30% of year's earnings (if not higher) for most of the players there. Obviously ESL is under no obligations to do anything, but exacerbating the issue by changing an existing tournament isn't something I want to celebrate. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Othern than that, nothing wrong with this format if it stays a special "one time thing" | ||
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Epamynondas
387 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:57 silentzero wrote: There can only be one? Still, lodging + ticket are already paid. Can't see how this is bad for the players. They always have the choice of not participating and even then, I'm pretty sure someone would gladly take their spot to get a chance to get the 100k prize. The complaint isn't that this tournament exist, it's that it takes the place of a world finals with a more traditional prize distribution. The lack of that distribution is bad for most players. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:56 stuchiu wrote: flip flopper. You should run for president. It's just all so confusing for small minded me. I'm back on this is a bad idea. | ||
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CygNus X-1
Canada169 Posts
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On January 28 2014 08:53 UberNuB wrote: We have enough mid-tier players, if tournaments like these force them out of the game, then I don't see how that could be a bad thing. No need for 200+ "pro" gamers in one game. Technically, tournaments like these are hurting the top players, not the mid tier ones. It's supposed to be a tournament for the top 16 in the world, after all. And I doubt there are even 200+ pros in the first place. Maybe not even 100. | ||
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goofyballer
United States136 Posts
San is one of the players qualified for this tournament; he has lifetime winnings of $34,945 dating back to October 2010, according to sc2earnings.com. So in his 40 months of being a pro gamer, and a full-fledged adult now at the age of 21, he's earned an average of $10,483.50 per year; in other words, below the poverty line in the USA. I'm sure he's ecstatic that IEM is giving him a chance to win $100,000 (he won't) with a 93.75% chance of him walking home empty-handed (assuming all players have an equal chance, which they don't) when a team house and whatever meager salary/sponsorships he earn are the only things keeping him from being goddamn homeless. Even MC, the winningest player in SC2 history, has earned $130,000 per year w/o sponsorships+team salary. That's a solid living, sure, but consider that the most successful player ever to play StarCraft 2 barely makes more money from tournaments than your average Google software engineer. When you consider that the vast majority of SC2 players make a small fraction of MC's winnings, why on earth would anyone who has a chance at a good career give that up to make esports poverty money? I'm a software engineer and there isn't a chance in hell I'd ever leave this career to play StarCraft, even if I was one of the best players in the world. So when tournaments like this come along, promising to make one lucky player rich (well, "esports rich", it's just $100k) while 15 players go home with nothing and have ramen for dinner, think about why there aren't more people that could potentially be the next MC or MVP or Naniwa rushing to join the SC2 community and go pro and entertain us with amazing games. | ||
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