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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
January 27 2014 21:06 GMT
#361
Hopefully this tournament will lead to some investigations into just how often progamers collude and share prize money.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
GreeNFalcoN
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany8 Posts
January 27 2014 21:06 GMT
#362
I think this is a really bad idea... Look how awkward many players play in finals, when they have like half of the 1st place money already secured. now imagine how incredibly weird the finals of this tournament will feel. but the worst thing of all of this is the fact, that it is a gigantic gamble. i'm 99% sure the player with the biggest bracket luck will win. pls iem PLS! change this. 100k for a tournament is great, but not in such a format.
"Comments have been locked so we don't have to ban all of you." - Waxangel
chaos021
Profile Joined March 2012
United States258 Posts
January 27 2014 21:07 GMT
#363
On January 28 2014 06:05 Epamynondas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 06:02 chaos021 wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:50 Epamynondas wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:48 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I like Socke's opinion.


Except playing tournaments is actually a competition and casting is not.


Tell that to all the casters who get crapped on the minute some big name says "Sure, I don't mind casting that for you." There may not be an explicit, posted competition, but you better believe there's competition. Even among notable casters.

That's a competition in the same way getting a contract from EG is a competition.

A tournament competition is not the same thing and there's no similar thing in casting that i know of.


Because we've never seen teams setup tournaments for that sort of thing. [/sarcasm]
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
January 27 2014 21:07 GMT
#364
On January 28 2014 06:06 Grumbels wrote:
Hopefully this tournament will lead to some investigations into just how often progamers collude and share prize money.


I don't see how it possibly would, given that this tournament will have the highest monetary stakes of any in SC2 history; that will make it much more likely for prize pool sharing to happen, unless of course someone as ballsy and composed as MC would reach the finals.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 27 2014 21:07 GMT
#365
On January 28 2014 06:04 Xoronius wrote:
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On January 28 2014 06:00 Plansix wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:53 Xoronius wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:49 JustPassingBy wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:48 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I like Socke's opinion.



Socke needs to calm down, it's a crazy once in a lifetime experiment with players who are already earning a lot (that's how they qualified for this event in the first place). :-/

And crazy ones in a lifetime experiments can not be made with casters, who are earning a lot? Socke is probably just ridiculing the system, but he has a point.

If only he could transfer his playing skills into casting and cash in on that money. But we all know that being a caster is harder than it looks.

And Socke could just not play if it bothers him or focus on other events that are not winner takes all.

I highly doubt, that he will play there. Also saying that Socke should just not play instead of arguing about the tournament, while arguing about the tournament in this discussion, is a pretty bold statement. I´m sure, that Socke has more inside knowledge and a more valuable opinion than both of us combined and still we are arguing, so why should´nt he?

I didn't say he couldn't state his opinion. I just disagree with him and he reasoning why the event is bad. I think it's fine and I agree with master if puppets that the players who are complaining have a pretty slim chance of winning.

While MC is all about this event. I bet JD is also pumped.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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shinobi112
Profile Joined May 2005
19 Posts
January 27 2014 21:08 GMT
#366
On January 28 2014 05:57 Blargh wrote:
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On January 28 2014 05:42 shinobi112 wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:36 Blargh wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:27 shinobi112 wrote:
Again with the "I feel shitty mentality because I can not get first place and win the 100,000" I agree starcraft 2 is a flawed game and people may get "shit" luck but at the top levels you have to feel like you have a chance against anyone in the world otherwise you will get nowhere with a progamer career. The fact of it is the scene is very hard to make a living even when you are winning some smaller tournaments. This tournament can seriously give a person a life changing amount and is a brilliant idea.

The idea of top players splitting the money or "match fixing" even is a very bad mentality for e-sports and should be frowned upon greatly, people should not accept this. We must rely on the players to maintain the integrity of the game.

How about this... Why don't they just have a tournament where the top player can decide where to donate $100,000 to a selection of charities? Because I'm sure that'd be far more life changing for far more people than giving $100,000 to some SC2 player, who, honestly, will probably never do anything truly significant in their life.

And what should be frowned upon greatly is the $100k prize pool with winner-takes-all. If the winner of this tournament gave the top 16 all equal shares after the fact, he'd become my permanent favorite player.


Really you are going to try this argument? Money can ALWAYS go to someplace better, to someone in MORE need. Do not even try to debate that.

If the player wants to split his money in 16 equal shares then that is fine but it SHOULD NOT be encouraged IF it lowers the level of performance by the other players.

You were the one who was trying to use the argument with the whole "could give a person a life-changing amount" bullshit. I can't even believe you came out and said "...is very hard to make a living even when you are winning some smaller tournaments." Having something like a $100,000 prizepool does.... THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what you said. You can't even use the dumbass politicians' "trickle down" argument here. It's far better to have a more even distribution if you want to help players have a sustainable income. Let's say MC wins it, then he'd have made the most money in SC2 than any other pro. Do you think that helps that one Korean guy who has only won one tournament (let's just say a previous IEM) and got to Ro16? The Korean who has only won $10k (prize money) in his whole SC2 is not going to be helping him make a living.


Yes it is not possible to really make a living, to retire, to make progaming a job when the tournaments provide such little amounts of money, 100,000 offers that little korean guy the chance to break through and win, how does that NOT help him making a living? Everyone has an equal shot at the money… I am not even saying ALL tournaments should be like this, of course that should not happen. Honestly though have you looked at the top player money earnings? It is like 3 players that have made enough to actually justify pro-gaming as a good early life career choice.

This is one tournament… all these people participating get PAID trips and they have already gotten PAID in the tournament they used to qualify for it, this is BONUS money basically. I really don't understand why you complain so heavily against it, what if that little korean kid who only has 10k in his lifetime wins this? Don't you think that is great for him?
one day one life
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3711 Posts
January 27 2014 21:08 GMT
#367
inb4 some player pulls a savior and tells all players to matchfix so they can just split the 100k among all 16.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
January 27 2014 21:09 GMT
#368
How about this then, the casters play their own tournament and whoever wins takes the pay roll from everyone else? Fair is fair right? That way, we get pure competition on both sides. Honestly, seeing casters cheering this while apparently completely oblivious to the fact they are unaffected for some reason is mildly repulsive.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Epamynondas
Profile Joined September 2012
387 Posts
January 27 2014 21:09 GMT
#369
On January 28 2014 06:07 chaos021 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 06:05 Epamynondas wrote:
On January 28 2014 06:02 chaos021 wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:50 Epamynondas wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:48 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I like Socke's opinion.

https://twitter.com/SockeSC2/status/427899616801980416

Except playing tournaments is actually a competition and casting is not.


Tell that to all the casters who get crapped on the minute some big name says "Sure, I don't mind casting that for you." There may not be an explicit, posted competition, but you better believe there's competition. Even among notable casters.

That's a competition in the same way getting a contract from EG is a competition.

A tournament competition is not the same thing and there's no similar thing in casting that i know of.


Because we've never seen teams setup tournaments for that sort of thing. [/sarcasm]


That's the most nitpicky and less relevant thing i've read today.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 27 2014 21:09 GMT
#370
On January 28 2014 06:08 Lorch wrote:
inb4 some player pulls a savior and tells all players to matchfix so they can just split the 100k among all 16.


I think you mistake matchfixing for splitting.
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-27 21:14:26
January 27 2014 21:10 GMT
#371
On January 28 2014 06:06 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2014 06:05 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:59 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:57 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:55 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:53 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On January 28 2014 05:48 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I like Socke's opinion.

https://twitter.com/SockeSC2/status/427904600616628224


Except who is the "better" caster is largely subjective.

The tournament can only have one winner, and whoever that is will most likely be the better player of the pool, at least in terms of mental composure and fortitude.

How do you determine "best" caster without resorting to a ridiculously stupid popularity contest poll?


Is that your description of democracy? "ridiculously stupid popularity contest poll?"


Sure... democracy. If you seriously think the caster with the largest fanbase wouldn't win that, you're highly delusional and naive.


So why does caster have largest fanbase? maybe because hes the best at casting?


Wow... I just.... wow. Ok.

I guess Pewdiepie is the best youtube content creator then, and Justin Bieber is one of the best musicians of all time.

GG.

no re.

peace out yo (Y)


I looked it up. Justin Bieber never won a people's choice award.
the guys you talk about are entertainers and they are successful in entertaining. You dont have to like it but apparently enough other people appreciate it and think its good.


So if Pewdiepie all of a sudden switched to casting SC2 for some odd reason and most of his fanbase would be ok with that and entertained by it, you think he would deserve to win a popularity contest over someone like Artosis or Apollo and that would mean he is a better caster than them?

Hmm.. :D


Thats such hypothetical bullshit :D
if the viewers double because of that and outweigh everyone else, why would Pewdiepie not deserve it? That would be insanely good for sc2 especially with f2p arcade. Alive game anyone? haha
(im not entirely sure who pewdiepie is and why hes famous on youtube, i just know hes famous)

The point is that winner takes it all is bullshit but entertaining, for players and for casters.
but i dont mind that much, its not about me anyway :D
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
January 27 2014 21:10 GMT
#372
The way some pros are reacting to this, I'm losing a bit of respect to some of them. Publicly disagreeing with it on twitter is fine, but you shouldn't go too far...

I so fucking wish MC would win then makes a video in an Audi R8 revving the engine and with that super cheeky grin :D
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borussia1871
Profile Joined July 2013
Belgium23 Posts
January 27 2014 21:10 GMT
#373
Agree with BBK. That's sucks for players... These decision is killing sc2 esport.
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
January 27 2014 21:11 GMT
#374
On January 28 2014 06:10 borussia1871 wrote:
Agree with BBK. That's sucks for players... These decision is killing sc2 esport.


RIP every other tournament that isn't this and is not affected in any way, shape or form by this.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
January 27 2014 21:11 GMT
#375
This is great news, all the players who get there have likely already won something from IEM in this season. This is just icing on the cake. If you're whining about not finishing first, don't compete. Play to win, if you dont, oh well.
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
January 27 2014 21:11 GMT
#376
I love this!
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
January 27 2014 21:12 GMT
#377
everyone is so upset because one tournament has a very top-heavy prize pool one time.
IEM isn't exactly the premier tournament, so... they can do as they'd like and people don't suffer that much.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-27 21:13:48
January 27 2014 21:13 GMT
#378
I like the idea. It may not be a great thing for every tournament but it will spice things up and make one person very happy Those finals are going to be very, very interesting.
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 27 2014 21:13 GMT
#379
Fucking lol
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 27 2014 21:13 GMT
#380
On January 28 2014 06:10 borussia1871 wrote:
Agree with BBK. That's sucks for players... These decision is killing sc2 esport.

This is the end folks. The wolf is going to swallow the moon and then we are all done for.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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