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On January 28 2014 05:45 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It will be ridiculous tense.
Imagine final where someone loses 3-4 and fall from the chair crying when winner is jumping around.
But it's still disgusting.
They could do % difference like GSL or other Korean leagues did and will do in future, but not 100-0.
Why be like every other major tournament in the history of SC2 when you can, you know, this one time, just not? :D :D :D
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Awesome MC. Heart of a Champion. Winners don't mind winner takes all.
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hopefully they invite flash jaedong sos bomber scarlett TY Soulkey
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So much money for cheese or all-in. Strongly disagree. No skill but luck will get 100k
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On January 28 2014 05:46 Plansix wrote:
Awesome MC. Heart of a Champion. Winners don't mind winner takes all.
Only thing I did so far was complaining, but if we get MC vs Jaedong finals, I will congratulate IEM on the most epic series ever.
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They just made it silly really.
I mean, honestly, people fight real hard in Warer, MLGON etc for 3k first prices or 4k first prices so it does not have to be a lot to be a nice bonus for players to add to their salaries. For some it sounds like it would even be a enormous boost to their salary to grab a 4k win, so they could have just gone top-heavy like Nazgul's ringwraith hat and gone 80k-10k-5k/5k and it would have been sick. Making it top 4 in a 16 invite with nothing but winners and runner-ups should net you with something.
Oh and also, I stand by Socke and his tweet. Doubt Kaelaris would cast any tournament outside of Germany if he was told "Hey, you have a base monthly salary from over there yonder, eh? Here's what we are doing, we are doing a 2x2x2 caster duo setup, the best performing duo will walk away with 20k the rest gets nothing! IMAGINE HOW MUCH YOU'D HYPE IT YO!? I mean, you get travel, food and CAN FLASH YOUR TWITTER AAAAAALL DAY!"
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On January 28 2014 05:21 Carmac wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:22 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
It's hard to be negative about a $100k announcement but this is just bad. If you like flat prize distributions, you should send your best players to events that have them.
He already does that...
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It's really bad for all players because Starcraft is for entertaiment. All of them will entertain people but only the best will get money.
That being said, its really good for spectators. I havent watched starcraft hots for years but this event got my attention.
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On January 28 2014 05:44 shinobi112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 05:41 Xoronius wrote:On January 28 2014 05:39 NovaMB wrote:On January 28 2014 05:38 Bagration wrote:
This is hilarious. Very very bold move by IEM, and certainly has people talking. I wondering how much backlash there will be though, if many players decide to drop out? Why would anyone drop out though? They get flights and hotels paid. To show a message? I dont see why anyone would deny a chance at 100k I think to show a message the best thing would be getting into the finals and then demand a certain distribution (40/20/10/5 or whatever) or refuse to play it. If you got to the finals with a chance to win 100,000 you would probably think differently… Everything seems easy until its YOUR money your talking about
Depends on who you are and against who you play and how you look at your chances. If you give yourself a 1/3 chance of winning the finals, the expectation values are equal, with a lower chance, your would profit more from a 40/20 distribution. As a strong underdog in the finals, it might be something to consider from a financial standpoint alone, even disregarding the whole message thing.
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It's 1 tournament. It's not going to break anything, and it's a pretty damn interesting premise to run with. I'm all for this. If it were like this for every other tournament it would be utterly ridiculous, but it's still just 1 tournament. Pretty fucking awesome imo.
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On January 28 2014 05:45 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 05:45 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It will be ridiculous tense.
Imagine final where someone loses 3-4 and fall from the chair crying when winner is jumping around.
But it's still disgusting.
They could do % difference like GSL or other Korean leagues did and will do in future, but not 100-0.
Why be like every other major tournament in the history of SC2 when you can, you know, this one time, just not? :D :D :D
Dude, we're laughing now but it will be ridiculous later :D
I'm already feeling bad for 2nd place finisher.
And imagine this line in Liquipedia;
- IEM Season 8 World Championship 2nd place.
- Prize money - 0$
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On January 28 2014 05:36 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 05:27 shinobi112 wrote:
Again with the "I feel shitty mentality because I can not get first place and win the 100,000" I agree starcraft 2 is a flawed game and people may get "shit" luck but at the top levels you have to feel like you have a chance against anyone in the world otherwise you will get nowhere with a progamer career. The fact of it is the scene is very hard to make a living even when you are winning some smaller tournaments. This tournament can seriously give a person a life changing amount and is a brilliant idea.
The idea of top players splitting the money or "match fixing" even is a very bad mentality for e-sports and should be frowned upon greatly, people should not accept this. We must rely on the players to maintain the integrity of the game. How about this... Why don't they just have a tournament where the top player can decide where to donate $100,000 to a selection of charities? Because I'm sure that'd be far more life changing for far more people than giving $100,000 to some SC2 player, who, honestly, will probably never do anything truly significant in their life. And what should be frowned upon greatly is the $100k prize pool with winner-takes-all. If the winner of this tournament gave the top 16 all equal shares after the fact, he'd become my permanent favorite player. @above post Not true at all. He's made more than $2 million dollars easily. He's been a top 50 ranked player for about 8 years. The prize money alone has earned him more money than most people make in their life time. He might be $2m wealthier, but the trophy probably means more to him than that $2m. After checking the numbers and placements for the guy, he's made up to 1R ($20k prize pool) or higher for ~every single grand slam since 2005. Last year he made semi-finals in the US Open, which earned him a nice $450k or so.
Yes I know he had made like 4 million something before this finals.. but my main point is you can not even begin to compare the two tennis and e-sports, not AT all. And he still made 1/3 of his lifetime earnings in one tournament pretty much, for 10 years previous or more considering junior level play...
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On January 28 2014 05:48 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I like Socke's opinion.
Socke needs to calm down, it's a crazy once in a lifetime experiment with players who are already earning a lot (that's how they qualified for this event in the first place). :-/
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 MC is jazzed it seems ;D
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Except who is the "better" caster is largely subjective.
The tournament can only have one winner, and whoever that is will most likely be the better player of the pool, at least in terms of mental composure and fortitude.
How do you determine "best" caster without resorting to a ridiculously stupid popularity contest poll?
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Except playing tournaments is actually a competition and casting is not.
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On January 28 2014 05:48 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 05:44 shinobi112 wrote:On January 28 2014 05:41 Xoronius wrote:On January 28 2014 05:39 NovaMB wrote:On January 28 2014 05:38 Bagration wrote:
This is hilarious. Very very bold move by IEM, and certainly has people talking. I wondering how much backlash there will be though, if many players decide to drop out? Why would anyone drop out though? They get flights and hotels paid. To show a message? I dont see why anyone would deny a chance at 100k I think to show a message the best thing would be getting into the finals and then demand a certain distribution (40/20/10/5 or whatever) or refuse to play it. If you got to the finals with a chance to win 100,000 you would probably think differently… Everything seems easy until its YOUR money your talking about Depends on who you are and against who you play and how you look at your chances. If you give yourself a 1/3 chance of winning the finals, the expectation values are equal, with a lower chance, your would profit more from a 40/20 distribution. As a strong underdog in the finals, it might be something to consider from a financial standpoint alone, even disregarding the whole message thing.
With this mindset your describing there's no way this person with this much on his/her mind would win anyways. They won't change it at the finals most likely. Especially because that isn't fair to guys who weren't aware of the change before
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On January 28 2014 05:46 Plansix wrote:
Awesome MC. Heart of a Champion. Winners don't mind winner takes all.
MC has already made 400k out of SC2 in prizes alone, he basically shits money. To a guy like him this doesn't really matter.
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