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RogerChillingworth
2872 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:28 Plansix wrote: I think it's great. Enough polite nonsense. If you don't like it, don't send your players. Problem solved. So not sending your players solves the problem of extremely weird and awful prize distribution? Did you pass the bar? | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:33 Plansix wrote: It's fucking great. Cut throught the bullshit and get right to it. The money is there, if you want it, come get it and IEM will even give you a free hotel and plane flight. your ability to talk about sthg else when you're contradicted is really outstanding | ||
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ThePlagueJG
Sweden1010 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:33 goofyballer wrote: It bothers me a bit that someone involved with the organizing of a tournament considers things like this (especially after scumbag Naniwa put the bounty on anyone who beat Revival and didn't pay Taeja - apologies if he actually wound up making good on that and I didn't realize) and is like..."nah, it'll be fine, let's do this anyway." As for the rest of your post, it takes a lot of hubris to think that the reason SC2 tournaments aren't getting more viewers is because Blizz is doing prize distribution wrong and you'll get it better. I'll happily eat my words if IEM Katowice is the most-viewed tournament of the year but it seems like you're grasping at straws to try to draw more interest to your events, as if you can improve on a 16 player single-elim bracket stacked with talent. For your information, he split money with Scarlett after the bitcoin showmatch. And I dont even think he will be able to win this since it seems to be single elim. | ||
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Epamynondas
387 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:32 Nerchio wrote: I am sure that some of the players that dont have paid slots(not sure who they are) might just pull out from the tournament There's no such thing as players who don't have paid slots afaik | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
It's just one tournament, and I would think that the players would practice crazy hard for this opportunity, yielding really great games. Who knows how it will pan out, but I support it. | ||
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:32 Nerchio wrote: I am sure that some of the players that dont have paid slots(not sure who they are) might just pull out from the tournament Everyone will be paid for | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
Then nothing to whine about unless you lose 3-4 in the finals xD | ||
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LockeTazeline
2390 Posts
Although I'll agree it's not the best for the players, as a spectator I'm excited to see something new in a tournament. Game 7 League of Legends. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On January 28 2014 04:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: You're making all kinds of assumptions without properly valuing each part of what you say. An increase of viewers doesn't simply outweigh everything with no further questions asked. For example, for the players, an increase of 5% in viewers isn't worth such a ridiculous structure at all. However if viewers increase by 1000% then yes maybe it is good for the players. When it comes to players, there is just no way this is good. Assumed that player that are qualified get a paid trip, I think it actually isn't such a bad idea. I'd love for a tournament where there's all or nothing. Though in the long term, I do not think it's a good idea :/ | ||
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shinobi112
19 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:32 DinoMight wrote: 90% of Tennis players who get to the finals are eliminated by Nadal, Djokovic, or Federer. They still show up and compete. They are getting exposure, they are getting paid by their sponsors. AND there is a chance they could win. Yes I watch tennis and look who just won, a swiss player who never won a grand slam before and he won 2 million dollars more than he has almost in his entire career, like 10 years… It is a life changing amount for him. Tennis has been around also for a very long time compared to e-sports that they can not be compared in terms of the money flow, the audience, etc.. not the same. This 100,000 prize pool makes a programer feel like they can actually make a living if they can just win this one tournament they are golden for the whole year. Yes it is bad in some ways but it is also very nice. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:27 shinobi112 wrote: Again with the "I feel shitty mentality because I can not get first place and win the 100,000" I agree starcraft 2 is a flawed game and people may get "shit" luck but at the top levels you have to feel like you have a chance against anyone in the world otherwise you will get nowhere with a progamer career. The fact of it is the scene is very hard to make a living even when you are winning some smaller tournaments. This tournament can seriously give a person a life changing amount and is a brilliant idea. The idea of top players splitting the money or "match fixing" even is a very bad mentality for e-sports and should be frowned upon greatly, people should not accept this. We must rely on the players to maintain the integrity of the game. How about this... Why don't they just have a tournament where the top player can decide where to donate $100,000 to a selection of charities? Because I'm sure that'd be far more life changing for far more people than giving $100,000 to some SC2 player, who, honestly, will probably never do anything truly significant in their life. And what should be frowned upon greatly is the $100k prize pool with winner-takes-all. If the winner of this tournament gave the top 16 all equal shares after the fact, he'd become my permanent favorite player. @above post Not true at all. He's made more than $2 million dollars easily. He's been a top 50 ranked player for about 8 years. The prize money alone has earned him more money than most people make in their life time. He might be $2m wealthier, but the trophy probably means more to him than that $2m. After checking the numbers and placements for the guy, he's made up to 1R ($20k prize pool) or higher for ~every single grand slam since 2005. Last year he made semi-finals in the US Open, which earned him a nice $450k or so. | ||
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TumNarDok
Germany854 Posts
All qualified players will have already earned 10k for 1st place or 4k for second, except the odd one from open qualifiers. So yea more money for players who already have money, may aswell do this format for once. | ||
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Epamynondas
387 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:36 LockeTazeline wrote: Is this a Tier 1 WCS event? Although I'll agree it's not the best for the players, as a spectator I'm excited to see something new in a tournament. Game 7 League of Legends. with each player controling 5 champions. yes. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
This is the coolest thing ever. As a Korean Pro (I imagine): This is the biggest chance of my life. As a white 'Pro' (I how many of those are left, really?): This is terrible. So far the only people complaining are the caucasian semipros who have been getting by with the occasional lucky Ro16 charity. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:34 RogerChillingworth wrote: So not sending your players solves the problem of extremely weird and awful prize distribution? Did you pass the bar? Yes, if you don't like he way the event is run, go to another event. There are plenty out there for players to play in. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:36 Blargh wrote: How about this... Why don't they just have a tournament where the top player can decide where to donate $100,000 to a selection of charities? Because I'm sure that'd be far more life changing for far more people than giving $100,000 to some SC2 player, who, honestly, will probably never do anything truly significant in their life. And what should be frowned upon greatly is the $100k prize pool with winner-takes-all. If the winner of this tournament gave the top 16 all equal shares after the fact, he'd become my permanent favorite player. Lol, Why are you even here if you have such spite for competitive video game tournaments and their players? God forbid they should earn money for the effort they put in, jesus... | ||
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:38 Bagration wrote: This is hilarious. Very very bold move by IEM, and certainly has people talking. I wondering how much backlash there will be though, if many players decide to drop out? Why would anyone drop out though? They get flights and hotels paid. To show a message? I dont see why anyone would deny a chance at 100k | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:36 boxerfred wrote: Assumed that player that are qualified get a paid trip, I think it actually isn't such a bad idea. I'd love for a tournament where there's all or nothing. Though in the long term, I do not think it's a good idea :/ While I love this tournament as the crazy experiment it is, please, please ,please do not make this on a frequent basis!!! | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On January 28 2014 05:37 SixStrings wrote: As a viewer: This is the coolest thing ever. As a Korean Pro (I imagine): This is the biggest chance of my life. As a white 'Pro' (I how many of those are left, really?): This is terrible. So far the only people complaining are the caucasian semipros who have been getting by with the occasional lucky Ro16 charity. As a viewer this doesn't excite me at all, as the almost guaranteed split makes it the most boring final to date, with almost nothing on the line, depending on the split. | ||
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