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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 24 2014 04:35 goody153 wrote: 200/100 is better than the 150/150 . Or they could just make it 150/100 or 150/75 150/75? Let's not go crazy here. That's only slightly more costly than a stalker and I know which one I would take. | ||
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pmp10
3399 Posts
Exactly as expected from the man. I wonder if he intends to back-track on those the first chance he gets. | ||
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battleboy
Germany60 Posts
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ThorminatorSC
Denmark14 Posts
Currently Tempest damage vs. Structures is set to 2.5 times normal damage as a median between the proposed 2-3 times! | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On January 24 2014 04:39 battleboy wrote: where is the mech buff? they buffed ghosts slightly, but I'm sure they'll do more | ||
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goody153
44306 Posts
On January 24 2014 04:35 DarkLordOlli wrote: They'll just hit a ling/hydra timing on my third base if I open stargate. There's just gonna be twice the amount of hydras. And if I can't open stargate because simple hydra timings are too strong then I'm already dead. Dunno, it's just too strong, too restricting for protoss, too cutthroat. I would like the change in ZvZ and TvZ though. Hell, why not 2base hydra all in every game. Not sure what's supposed to kill it with half the gas cost for hydras Like 2 base stalker all-ins but just like 2 times harder to hold ? Does photon overcharge help when zergs go ling-hydra timings ? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 24 2014 04:38 pmp10 wrote: So minor changes to TvP? Exactly as expected from the man. Better then breaking the match up so Protoss looses all the time/. That would be just as bad | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On January 24 2014 04:40 goody153 wrote: Like 2 base stalker all-ins but just like 2 times harder to hold ? Does photon overcharge help when zergs go ling-hydra timings ? No, you don't have overcharge against 2base ling/hydra unless you gateway expand. Even if you do, hydras outrange overcharge and break down the wall, then lings flood in. If it's a ling/hydra timing on the third then it does help but it still mostly comes down to forcefields and getting a colossus out in time. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On January 24 2014 04:40 Plansix wrote: Better then breaking the match up so Protoss looses all the time/. That would be just as bad yeah cause that'll happen if you change early game Protoss. let's take things to the extreme | ||
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goody153
44306 Posts
On January 24 2014 04:38 Plansix wrote: 150/75? Let's not go crazy here. That's only slightly more costly than a stalker and I know which one I would take. 150/100 ? or 125/100 would be the more appropriate since i hear terrans saying that ghosts are too expensive mineral wise. | ||
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BoggieMan
520 Posts
Some hydra number crunching to think about: + Show Spoiler + On a normal base with 8 minerals 2 gasses, a trip with every worker is 8 gas and 32 minerals. Which is an old hydra every 6th trip with 92 minerals left (excluding overlords). Now you can make a hydra every 4th trip with 28 minerals left (excluding overlords), a 50 % increase. 100 trips before would give 16 hydras 4 overlords and 1200 minerals left. now 100 trips give 24 hydras, 8 overlords 0 minerals and 200 gas left, still exactly a 50% increase if we calculate it this way. Making pure hydralisks is now also alot more economically effecient, since you used to have 1000 resources more that you could not fit into pure hydralisk production every 100 trips on a saturated base. | ||
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TecaNina
41 Posts
-ghost is ok too, but will not have any use for mech... -hydra buff is just... now stephano will come back with new style of roach hyrda max and overrune toss...(it is like 12 min 200/200 roach hydra...  but we will see.... -also to tempest: could be pretty interesting because you can kill spines faster in ultra late turtle game against zerg; Could be really good or have no effect xD | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 24 2014 04:42 Chaggi wrote: yeah cause that'll happen if you change early game Protoss. let's take things to the extreme I don't even know what you are saying. Big changes to the match up could just make it more broken. The goal is to make it both sides have an equal chance to win. | ||
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c0se
Germany148 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On January 24 2014 04:39 ThorminatorSC wrote: Published a new extension mod under the name 'Proposed Balance Changes' which implements all of these new changes so you can try them out on any map. Simple use the new Create with Mod under Custom Game, let me know if anything isn't working as expected. Currently Tempest damage vs. Structures is set to 2.5 times normal damage as a median between the proposed 2-3 times! Ah yes, forgot about this one. Can't wait to see a complete nonsense such as proxy Oracle into proxy Tempests become a legit opening! | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On January 24 2014 04:40 Plansix wrote: Better then breaking the match up so Protoss looses all the time/. That would be just as bad What could they possibly do to end up with such result. It is not like protoss is playing against the clock, their late game is still super strong against terran. We are only talking about early game changes anyway. In fact with such minor early game nerfs to protoss, terran could actually use a late game buff. | ||
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huller20
United States112 Posts
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Swisslink
2958 Posts
If they want to get rid of this silly Swarmhost-Turtle-Style, they should just do something about the Zerg's Anti-Air (And no, the Hydra buff won't help there). Right now there's no chance to fight a late game Protoss army beside this silly mass spore + Viper style with Swarmhosts to defend on the ground. Which is completely stupid: Zerg has to build units which can't shoot up in order to even stand a chance against a flying army... | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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