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TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
July 13 2014 17:59 GMT
#6061
Am I the only one that thinks that developers should just let the players draw their own conclusions instead of explaining a patch?

Icefrog never explained Dota patches, and Dota2 is as big as you can see. And yes, he has made lots of patches that completely changed the game.

I just like a silent approach to things. Deliver content and let the community try and exploit it.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-13 22:29:35
July 13 2014 22:29 GMT
#6062
On July 14 2014 02:59 TMG26 wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks that developers should just let the players draw their own conclusions instead of explaining a patch?


Yes

Well we used to do this and always got hundreds of questions to explain the decisions, so might as well explain. Especially since there is a good reason behind every change.
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
July 13 2014 22:38 GMT
#6063
On July 14 2014 02:59 TMG26 wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks that developers should just let the players draw their own conclusions instead of explaining a patch?


You are never the only one
aka Kalevi
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 15 2014 15:29 GMT
#6064
for those who dont browse starbow forums:
http://starbowmod.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=569
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
July 15 2014 15:35 GMT
#6065
On July 14 2014 07:38 404AlphaSquad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2014 02:59 TMG26 wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks that developers should just let the players draw their own conclusions instead of explaining a patch?


You are never the only one


Maybe he's the only one that's the only one
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
Capresis
Profile Joined September 2008
United States518 Posts
July 17 2014 00:01 GMT
#6066
Lowest amount of people I have ever seen in Eros... (log in to find out how low!)
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 06:01:36
July 20 2014 05:59 GMT
#6067
So we now have people working on renewing the ladder and moving the client to a web based solution.

It will be web-based, so no point discussing that, but there will be some other changes.

  • We will add "unranked play" and try to add "2v2" if possible. If we add 2v2, what would be the best way to do 2v2 rankings? (individual rankings? One rank for each team?)
  • Your place within your division should be visible to promote grinding more as grinding will improve your place within your division in a similar manner to SC2 ladder.

Now, I know the ladder has been quite inactive lately, but let's just assume it was very active. What features would you like in a renewed ladder?
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
July 20 2014 17:22 GMT
#6068
It's Sunday evening, there are no major events going on, Xiphias might stream some epic games, why not ...

GET ON THE LADDER!!!!
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Hadronsbecrazy
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom551 Posts
July 20 2014 17:27 GMT
#6069
Matchup and Map Stats tracking, even better would be a matchup stat for each map
No need Build Orders, Only Micro,Favourite Players: Maru, Zest, soOjwa , CJherO
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
July 20 2014 17:36 GMT
#6070
On July 21 2014 02:27 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
Matchup and Map Stats tracking, even better would be a matchup stat for each map

We already have a match history, but map stats tracking could be added.
aka Kalevi
FT.aCt)Sony
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1048 Posts
July 20 2014 17:40 GMT
#6071
On July 20 2014 14:59 Xiphias wrote:
So we now have people working on renewing the ladder and moving the client to a web based solution.

It will be web-based, so no point discussing that, but there will be some other changes.

  • We will add "unranked play" and try to add "2v2" if possible. If we add 2v2, what would be the best way to do 2v2 rankings? (individual rankings? One rank for each team?)
  • Your place within your division should be visible to promote grinding more as grinding will improve your place within your division in a similar manner to SC2 ladder.

Now, I know the ladder has been quite inactive lately, but let's just assume it was very active. What features would you like in a renewed ladder?


Individual ranking would be best.

If you have two players, one is B other is D, then the combined team value would be what is used to determine win/loss of points.
FT.aCt)Sony
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1048 Posts
July 20 2014 17:42 GMT
#6072
On July 10 2014 10:29 HeyImFinn wrote:
I'm in favor of scrapping bio in tvp entirely.


TvP in Brood War was Mech 90-95% of the time.
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
July 20 2014 17:44 GMT
#6073
On July 21 2014 02:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2014 10:29 HeyImFinn wrote:
I'm in favor of scrapping bio in tvp entirely.


TvP in Brood War was Mech 90-95% of the time.


We have a different opinion on that. Bio has at least to be a viable option in the early game tvp.
aka Kalevi
FT.aCt)Sony
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1048 Posts
July 20 2014 17:49 GMT
#6074
On July 21 2014 02:44 404AlphaSquad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2014 02:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On July 10 2014 10:29 HeyImFinn wrote:
I'm in favor of scrapping bio in tvp entirely.


TvP in Brood War was Mech 90-95% of the time.


We have a different opinion on that. Bio has at least to be a viable option in the early game tvp.


I rarely ever saw bio when I played Toss in BW. Was always Siege tank, Vulture, spider mine, Science vessel.

Occasionally, I'd have vulture drops, but outside that realm, never saw it.
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
July 20 2014 18:16 GMT
#6075
On July 21 2014 02:44 404AlphaSquad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2014 02:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On July 10 2014 10:29 HeyImFinn wrote:
I'm in favor of scrapping bio in tvp entirely.


TvP in Brood War was Mech 90-95% of the time.


We have a different opinion on that. Bio has at least to be a viable option in the early game tvp.


By "different opinions" he means that we would like to see bio more viable in Starbow TvP than it was in BW TvP. We agree that it was rarely used in BW.
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
July 20 2014 18:17 GMT
#6076
On July 21 2014 02:27 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
Matchup and Map Stats tracking, even better would be a matchup stat for each map


Yes, agree! Thanks for the feedback.
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Socup
Profile Joined June 2014
190 Posts
July 20 2014 18:22 GMT
#6077
On July 21 2014 03:16 Xiphias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2014 02:44 404AlphaSquad wrote:
On July 21 2014 02:42 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
On July 10 2014 10:29 HeyImFinn wrote:
I'm in favor of scrapping bio in tvp entirely.


TvP in Brood War was Mech 90-95% of the time.


We have a different opinion on that. Bio has at least to be a viable option in the early game tvp.


By "different opinions" he means that we would like to see bio more viable in Starbow TvP than it was in BW TvP. We agree that it was rarely used in BW.

Why was it barely used? Apart from reaver and storm, stim and medics was pretty beef as far as I remember. Mech was good for the spider mine spam and the large collision size making it possible to dilute the effects of psi storm or reaver hits.
There's no reason blizzard can't release new units or fixes to a game without creating another costly "expansion" you've already paid 100$ for, unless they want to treadmill the gambler with future promises of "it gets better"
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
July 20 2014 18:31 GMT
#6078
Just curious how you are converting it into a web app in terms of getting each match results. Blizzard API?
T P Z sagi
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-20 18:38:46
July 20 2014 18:38 GMT
#6079
On July 21 2014 03:31 purakushi wrote:
Just curious how you are converting it into a web app in terms of getting each match results. Blizzard API?


Well, Korea is still using IE by law so we can use activeX to grab replays for IE. We are not settled on the other browsers yet.
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
July 20 2014 19:09 GMT
#6080
also, casting games with Kalevi now!

http://www.twitch.tv/sc2_starbow
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
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