EPTon top of that terran has free chrono boost and scan.......... rift is such a useless ability because protoss needs to spend all their energy on chrono. and it costs so much to get the nexus upgrade as opposed to an orbital, terran instantly gets their investment back by dropping an scv
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TT1
Canada10004 Posts
on top of that terran has free chrono boost and scan.......... rift is such a useless ability because protoss needs to spend all their energy on chrono. and it costs so much to get the nexus upgrade as opposed to an orbital, terran instantly gets their investment back by dropping an scv | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:14 TT1 wrote: do the developers/balance testers understand how broken mines/vults are? theyre 10x faster than any unit and mines always trade cost efficiently, if u dont have an obs with ur army u ALWAYS lose goons to mines. its such a fucking joke Isn't it too early to complain about balance? And wasn't the point of BW that most units are OP? | ||
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TT1
Canada10004 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:18 -Archangel- wrote: Isn't it too early to complain about balance? And wasn't the point of BW that most units are OP? why is it too early to complain about balance? the dev's have been making balance changes on a weekly basis and ur 2nd statement is wrong on so many levels | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:23 TT1 wrote: why is it too early to complain about balance? the dev's have been making balance changes on a weekly basis and ur 2nd statement is wrong on so many levels How you present your complaints is pretty bad tbh. Maybe you could phrase it better and look less childish that way? | ||
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TT1
Canada10004 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:26 The_Red_Viper wrote: How you present your complaints is pretty bad tbh. Maybe you could phrase it better and look less childish that way? im mad about having to spend energy pointing out stuff that should be obvious to anyone who understands anything about gameplay. i know i sound elitist but the dev's shouldnt be making drastic changes right before their 1st big tournament, once a few good terrans start playing the game seriously you'll understand how strong terran is | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:35 TT1 wrote: im mad about having to spend energy pointing out stuff that should be obvious to anyone who understands anything about gameplay Idk and idc about the gameplay stuff right now, but i don't think you are constructive at all. So in the end it pretty much comes down to "I TT1 know how good gameplay has to look like and you all are stupid cause you don't do/ agree with what i am saying." , mhm seems legit. I am not sure why you are in rage mode at the moment, but maybe you should calm down first and then start arguing about stuff? | ||
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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:18 -Archangel- wrote: Isn't it too early to complain about balance? And wasn't the point of BW that most units are OP? I think TT1 should state his opinion, as everyone else does. It's good feedback for the devs. And more generally, I think now is definitely the right time to consider balance, but only after a lot of experience. I don't know how many games TT1 has played, but I also can't assume he is making a rash judgement. Take it for what it is: his opinion. So TT1, can you elaborate? Also, let's assume there is an imbalance between the orbital and nexus upgrades. Does some other difference between toss and terran make up for it? | ||
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1047 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:18 -Archangel- wrote: Isn't it too early to complain about balance? And wasn't the point of BW that most units are OP? Guess you never played Brood War stating most units were OP. Vultures in Starbow are more overpowered than their brood war counterpart. I quit playing Protoss solely because of Vultures in the mod. When you look at Overcharge with terran its a little overpowered to begin with when you have reactors on top of that. So either overcharge needs to be removed, or Vultures need to be nerfed in the aspect of output damage and mine speed. TT1 is without a doubt correct in this aspect and I support what he says in this matter. | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:35 TT1 wrote: im mad about having to spend energy pointing out stuff that should be obvious to anyone who understands anything about gameplay. i know i sound elitist but the dev's shouldnt be making drastic changes right before their 1st big tournament, once a few good terrans start playing the game seriously you'll understand how strong terran is Dude calm down, mines are far from imbalanced but I think you are whining about everything so I forgive you. Mines are actually pretty awful. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:14 TT1 wrote: do the developers/balance testers understand how broken mines/vults are? theyre 10x faster than any unit and mines always trade cost efficiently, if u dont have an obs with ur army u ALWAYS lose goons to mines. its such a fucking joke on top of that terran has free chrono boost and scan.......... rift is such a useless ability because protoss needs to spend all their energy on chrono. and it costs so much to get the nexus upgrade as opposed to an orbital, terran instantly gets their investment back by dropping an scv Let me try to convey your concerns in a more reasonable way so that they might hear you out. "Are there any plans to work on the balance of vultures and mines at the moment? They're much faster than other units, and mines seem to always trade cost efficiently. Also, if you don't have an observer with your army you're guaranteed to lose dragoons to mines. There seems to be a something off about the amount of skill it takes to lay mines vs the requirements for a protoss army to be successful against them. I'm also concerned with what seems to be an imbalance between orbital abilities and nexus abilities. For one, it's much more cost efficient for terran to upgrade to an orbital vs protoss upgrading the nexus due to regaining the investment almost immediately with an scv calldown. Further, terran seems to be able to utilize all of the orbital abilities throughout the game while protoss has to spend most of the energy on chrono boosts to keep up, making rift useless for much of the game. I understand you're doing the best you can considering this isn't your job so I hope you get a chance to look into my concerns soon! <3 Much love to the dev team, TT1" | ||
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TT1
Canada10004 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:42 The_Red_Viper wrote: Idk and idc about the gameplay stuff right now, but i don't think you are constructive at all. So in the end it pretty much comes down to "I TT1 know how good gameplay has to look like and you all are stupid cause you don't do/ agree with what i am saying." , mhm seems legit. I am not sure why you are in rage mode right now, but maybe you should calm down first and then start arguing about stuff? im mad because i just lost 2 games to someone who had 150 less apm than me and was supply blocked for more than 5+ mins in each game, thankfully for him all he had to do was drop mines around the map. im mostly mad because ive always known that terran was a strong race but just because you guys kept whining about protoss the dev's ended up buffing them to the point where vultures are now ridiculous if you guys dont know how to play the game properly then you probably shouldnt be giving any balance feedback. i dont think its a coincidence that terran got buffed the day after artosis played starbow for the first time and was getting crushed by a protoss player. thats not how you should be balancing the game | ||
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Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:51 Nerchio wrote: Dude calm down, mines are far from imbalanced but I think you are whining about everything so I forgive you. Mines are actually pretty awful. u tell him girl | ||
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Xiphias
Norway2223 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Starbow_Beta_Invitational_Tournament | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
How did you do 40-2 on ladder when i stomp you every game? | ||
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murphs
Ireland417 Posts
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TT1
Canada10004 Posts
On March 01 2014 08:00 Xiphias wrote: Groups are up for tomorrow: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Starbow_Beta_Invitational_Tournament excellent | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:57 TT1 wrote: im mad because i just lost 2 games to someone who had 150 less apm than me and was supply blocked for more than 5+ mins in each game, thankfully for him all he had to do was drop mines around the map. im mostly mad because ive always known that terran was a strong race but just because you guys kept whining about protoss the dev's ended up buffing them to the point where vultures are now ridiculous if you guys dont know how to play the game properly then you probably shouldnt be giving any balance feedback. i dont think its a coincidence that terran got buffed the day after artosis played starbow for the first time and was getting crushed by a protoss player Well that sucks ofc, but i think you are smart enough to realize that acting arrogant like you do right now is pretty bad for your overall point, no? I never gave any balance suggestions cause i know i am just not good enough, so i agree with you that regarding balance mostly top lvl players should give their thoughts. That doesn't mean that other people can't discuss certain aspects though, i for one still think that smartcasting is a pretty bad idea, what do you think about that? And what exactly would happen if every korean would play starbow right now btw, would you then stop whining cause you are relatively bad compared to them? Edit: Ah and to not only be negative about you and your posts, gl tomorrow | ||
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Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
On March 01 2014 08:01 Nerchio wrote: How did you do 40-2 on ladder when i stomp you every game? You won me 2-0 in the first 2 days of me playing Starbow, you did really well Arthur but I would crush you now like a bug sadly  Not to mention you cheesed me both games <3 | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On March 01 2014 08:09 Beastyqt wrote: You won me 2-0 in the first 2 days of me playing Starbow, you did really well Arthur but I would crush you now like a bug sadly Not to mention you cheesed me both games <3 I played some random stuff and those were my first games not 2 first days xD | ||
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TopRamen
United States96 Posts
On March 01 2014 07:57 TT1 wrote: im mad because i just lost 2 games to someone who had 150 less apm than me and was supply blocked for more than 5+ mins in each game, thankfully for him all he had to do was drop mines around the map. im mostly mad because ive always known that terran was a strong race but just because you guys kept whining about protoss the dev's ended up buffing them to the point where vultures are now ridiculous if you guys dont know how to play the game properly then you probably shouldnt be giving any balance feedback. i dont think its a coincidence that terran got buffed the day after artosis played starbow for the first time and was getting crushed by a protoss player. thats not how you should be balancing the game Replays please. | ||
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