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The full story is on the Daily Dot.
No one knows where Boudreault is.
Staffers on Quantic haven’t spoken to him in weeks. Kalle Nilsson, who runs Quantic’s media division, says Boudreault owes him hundreds of dollars. That didn’t stop over 50 people from sending Nilsson hate mail after the news broke, Nilsson said. The angry fans assumed Nilssonwas also responsible for the money owed to Hyun.
In fact, Hyun told the Daily Dot he holds no grudges against anyone in Quantic other than Simon Boudreault.
“The other staff is not bad people,” he wrote. “Except Simon.”
In addition to the $23,000 allegedly owed to Hyun, Bernie "Fujikura" Catalan, Quantic’s Chief Operating Officer says he is owed $4,000; Paul “Icewulf” Lampron, the team’s Marketing Director, says he is owed $8,000; and John Clark, who also worked in marketing for Quantic, says he is owed $5,000.
“The team was such a mess,” Clark told the Daily Dot.
“Had no real marketing deck, no hierarchy, no real marketing materials. Then the League of Legends team fell apart and that is when Simon disappeared.”
That adds up to at least $40,000 Boudreault allegedly owes his staff. Several other ex-Quantic employees, who have asked not be identified say Boudreault has owed them hundreds of dollars.
There's also more including news about Hyun's search for Simon and his lack of legal representation. Here it is.
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your Country52797 Posts
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The hits keep on coming 
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On January 03 2014 01:59 Ctone23 wrote:The hits keep on coming
they were alraedy there, it is just the first we are officially hearing of it.
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Totally unexpected!
No, seriously, this isn't surprising at all... I hope a solution will be found.
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Man, he made off with a lot of peoples money. Its going to be a bummer when people find out how hard it is to get that money from him, even with courts involved.
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so fucking pathetic.
running away for what?? 40 k$??
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Maybe he isnt evil but rather he was bad at managing money and spent all of it on expensive flights and hotels for the players. Maybe he doesnt have it anymore and is just scared of having to pay with his own wallet for his failure.
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On January 03 2014 02:03 Negius wrote:
Totally unexpected!
No, seriously, this isn't surprising at all... I hope a solution will be found.
Employees have to sue the society.
Then depending on what structure the society had the associates will have different responsibility
If the employees didn't recieve a salary they will be compensated thanks to the compulsory employer contributions (AGS in europe )
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Where I live, its a criminal offense not to fulfill wage obligations. If that's true in Canada, they should make a complaint and get the government to hunt down this clown.
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On January 03 2014 02:05 Plansix wrote:
Man, he made off with a lot of peoples money. Its going to be a bummer when people find out how hard it is to get that money from him, even with courts involved.
You cant take money from someone who has not enough to pay back. I´m pretty sure most of the ppl won´t see any money from him even when there are judges involved.
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United States23455 Posts
Sounds like the guy got in way over his head and is now just running away from the fact that he has no solution to this problem.
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Feels like everything is going to shit in SC2.
Was there always that much bad stuff, or is it just that there isn't anything to distract us from it?
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This is so sick. Is anything so bad ever happened from a SC2 team manager?
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On January 03 2014 02:01 Smurfett3 wrote:they were alraedy there, it is just the first we are officially hearing of it.
Actually it isn't the first.
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On January 03 2014 02:28 SixStrings wrote:
Feels like everything is going to shit in SC2.
Was there always that much bad stuff, or is it just that there isn't anything to distract us from it?
LoL was also involved, it's not only SC2, Dota 2 also has had scams. It's nothing new.
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This just managed to get worse. I really hope something good becomes of all this.
It's disappointing seeing a 'pro' team turn out this way, because of the actions of one guy.
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Woops, fixed that bad link up top in OP.
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On January 03 2014 02:10 iamho wrote:
Where I live, its a criminal offense not to fulfill wage obligations. If that's true in Canada, they should make a complaint and get the government to hunt down this clown.
Canada ain't going to care about $40k. Ontario alone has like $5 billion missing.
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TLADT24920 Posts
Not surprising tbh especially once you consider how unstable the scene is and that previous article about Hyun needing money from Quantic's boss.
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On January 03 2014 02:10 iamho wrote:
Where I live, its a criminal offense not to fulfill wage obligations. If that's true in Canada, they should make a complaint and get the government to hunt down this clown.
Given how badly organised it seems to be, it may be that there are no wage obligations.
The contracts probably aren't worth the paper they are written on, although you would be able to go to court and argue that there was constructive obligation, but that would just mean more expense and time to get it sorted.
Not saying that some of these people don't deserve to get paid, just that it probably won't be as easy as a normal employment dispute due to the fact the whole team seems to have been a bit of a mess.
(Also, these two marketing guys who say they are owed $13k and also say the whole marketing thing was a disaster... what did they do to earn their $13k because they make it seem like it wasn't marketing...)
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On January 03 2014 02:09 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
so fucking pathetic.
running away for what?? 40 k$??
pretty sure he didn't have all the sum and the decision to go under was because he wasted money already and couldn't make ends meet.
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If Hyun never got his salary wages then wouldnt that mean the other players didnt aswell? That still owes the players that were on the roster such as TREME and Venus ect..
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So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it?
Who the #@$% came up with those illogical laws for our western world?
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On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it?
Who the #@$% came up with those illogical laws for our western world?
Do you have the money and will to do so?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it?
The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry.
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Seriously? No one had his phone number or maybe an adress?
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On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry.
That's just it, the industry is still going through infancy. Things like this were bound to happen and will help mold policy going forward. I use "help" loosely, this is obviously a shitty situation, but this is the way things are done in many industries, scandals happen which lead to new policies, insurance requirements, etc.
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On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it?
Who the #@$% came up with those illogical laws for our western world?
The people we voted for duh!
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On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry.
How about someone just goes to the police and files a criminal case? It's pretty easy to find someone if you let the people with government databases do it. That is assuming you have some sort of written proof of the guy owing you money, which is usually pretty freaking unlikely considering the e-sports world seems to be run by people with the business sense of teenagers,
Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here.
No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back.
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So now we do new tournament for staff like there is tournament for hyun? And next time again when this happens to new player?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
So now we do new tournament for staff like there is tournament for hyun? And next time again when this happens to new player?
Next time someone who's played Starcraft for eight years and is almost universally loved as a great player and entertainer gets screwed out of $23.000 by his manager who then takes off, something like this might come together. If you feel like it's needed, you could organise it for whomever. It just so happened that the community and Hyun's friends were especially eager to help him in this case.
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On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote:On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back.
Sorry you are correct. Misread the earnings website. Even so, he should have banked at least 60-80k over the course of his career. How can he not have the money to hire a lawyer? I have no idea on the canadian legal system but it struck me as being pretty similar to the EU system. Lawyers and trials can cost a decent amount, and you're never guaranteed to get the any amount back, but how is it right to collect money from people with less money than you to pursue legal action for something that's at least to some extent his own fault for not taking care of his own business.
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On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it?
Who the #@$% came up with those illogical laws for our western world?
So you probably know pretty well what the hell is wrong with laws and can enlighten us with some quotes? Or are you just blaming the laws because life is not exactly the fairytale it should be?
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On January 03 2014 03:54 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote:On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back. Sorry you are correct. Misread the earnings website. Even so, he should have banked at least 60-80k over the course of his career. How can he not have the money to hire a lawyer? I have no idea on the canadian legal system but it struck me as being pretty similar to the EU system. Lawyers and trials can cost a decent amount, and you're never guaranteed to get the any amount back, but how is it right to collect money from people with less money than you to pursue legal action for something that's at least to some extent his own fault for not taking care of his own business.
majority of people in the world don't save up
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Wouldn't the higher dollar amount come as a good thing in terms of filing suits?
I'm far from any law expert mind you and speaking totally anecdotally, but if this Simon guy cheated out a bunch of people then a join lawsuit of multiple individuals seem much more feasible. At the very least, it's better than having Hyun who isn't fluent in English file his own.
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On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote:On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back.
People need to understand that law is not magic and can't make money appear from nowhere. And generally courts are not in the business of garnishing people's wages to force them to pay funds they owe. Also, in the America court system, if Simon had no money to give, he could just declare bankruptcy and resolve the debt dispute that way.
Courts are not magic and generally it is not worth suing an individual to try and get your money back.
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On January 03 2014 04:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote:On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back. People need to understand that law is not magic and can't make money appear from nowhere. And generally courts are not in the business of garnishing people's wages to force them to pay funds they owe. Also, in the America court system, if Simon had no money to give, he could just declare bankruptcy and resolve the debt dispute that way. Courts are not magic and generally it is not worth suing an individual to try and get your money back.
Even if he declares bankruptcy, he still must pay what he owes to his creditors. I don't know how is it in Canada, but I'm pretty sure you can't just declare bankruptcy and go in the green. Either with his own money or by selling assets he will be forced to pay. Now I don't know what kind of company Quantic is (or is it company at all), but usually this happens, at least in EU...
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What a shame that the company had such a grossly inexperienced, immature, and immoral CEO. He needs to turn himself in and atone for this mess. In just running away from the situation, I hope his soul is ill at ease with what he's done.
Hearing these stories also makes you appreciate owners like Nazgul and Alex Garfield even more. Such a disaster would cause irreparable ruin to the scene had it happened at one of the pillars of eSports teams or community.
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If he was running away with millions, but for 40k ... what kind of idiot is this person?
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What if the CEO died of lung cancer?
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Then I can tell you who his beneficiaries are going to be......
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 04:53 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 04:28 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote:On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back. People need to understand that law is not magic and can't make money appear from nowhere. And generally courts are not in the business of garnishing people's wages to force them to pay funds they owe. Also, in the America court system, if Simon had no money to give, he could just declare bankruptcy and resolve the debt dispute that way. Courts are not magic and generally it is not worth suing an individual to try and get your money back. Even if he declares bankruptcy, he still must pay what he owes to his creditors. I don't know how is it in Canada, but I'm pretty sure you can't just declare bankruptcy and go in the green. Either with his own money or by selling assets he will be forced to pay. Now I don't know what kind of company Quantic is (or is it company at all), but usually this happens, at least in EU...
I think Plansix has some kind of legal education (might be a paralegal?), and if he were to explain the legal situation I'd feel inclined to believe what he's saying. I would appreciate some clarification on the subject though if that's possible.
On January 03 2014 04:55 jubil wrote:
What a shame that the company had such a grossly inexperienced, immature, and immoral CEO. He needs to turn himself in and atone for this mess. In just running away from the situation, I hope his soul is ill at ease with what he's done.
Does anyone actually believe that this will happen? I mean I'd be jumping from joy if it did, but "turning himself in" for stealing some money? I doubt he's feeling very burdened by this situation.
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On January 03 2014 04:59 TAMinator wrote:
What if the CEO died of lung cancer?
you dont simply vanish off the radar one day if you were dying of lung cancer.
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i watched an eSPorts money mogul guy claim he had bone and lung cancer as well.
It was clear he was running out of money.
every one around him was afraid to say he was full of shit and just using it as an excuse.
its been more than 5 years now. and miracle of miracles this man is still alive.
God Bless America!
On January 03 2014 04:53 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 04:28 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote:On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back. People need to understand that law is not magic and can't make money appear from nowhere. And generally courts are not in the business of garnishing people's wages to force them to pay funds they owe. Also, in the America court system, if Simon had no money to give, he could just declare bankruptcy and resolve the debt dispute that way. Courts are not magic and generally it is not worth suing an individual to try and get your money back. Even if he declares bankruptcy, he still must pay what he owes to his creditors. I don't know how is it in Canada, but I'm pretty sure you can't just declare bankruptcy and go in the green. Either with his own money or by selling assets he will be forced to pay. Now I don't know what kind of company Quantic is (or is it company at all), but usually this happens, at least in EU...
Quebec is a whole other ball game. It's like a country inside a country.
Families can shuffle the cash around and avoid paying their creditors.
A text book Canadian example of shuffling internal family money around to avoid paying creditors occurred with "Sam THe Record Man".
The place went bankrupt 3 different times and the assets got shuffled around between Sam Sniderman and his sons.
Countless employees and creditors got thoroughly fucked over multiple times.
If this Simon guy wants to just throw up his hands and cry poor, and he knows what he is doing and plans it carefully.
then all his creditors are screwed.
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On January 03 2014 05:05 elfonse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 04:59 TAMinator wrote:
What if the CEO died of lung cancer? you dont simply vanish off the radar one day if you were dying of lung cancer.
You would if you are losing money rapidly from an enterprise that's providing you no revenue with out deep pockets, and then realize the huge potential medical costs in order to live. I hope to god this is not actually the case.
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I've been really against Quantic since they disbanded and reformed like a week later. No one seemed to have anything nice to say about the organization. This really isn't the first time Simon has been accused of taking money or being a shitty owner, either.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431056
However, I don't think Hyun and the others will have the same outcome because of how much money this actually is.
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On January 03 2014 05:19 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 05:05 elfonse wrote:On January 03 2014 04:59 TAMinator wrote:
What if the CEO died of lung cancer? you dont simply vanish off the radar one day if you were dying of lung cancer. You would if you are losing money rapidly from an enterprise that's providing you no revenue with out deep pockets, and then realize the huge potential medical costs in order to live. I hope to god this is not actually the case.
that was exactly what I was thinking. That might actually be the worst possible situation.
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I don't get it.
First all of Quantic's employees claim that they are "unpaid volunteers" who are not really affiliated with Simon. (Obviously to dodge blame for Hyun's incident)
Now they claim that Simon owes them money?
Lmao it seems like ALL of Quantic's employees are scumbags.
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On January 03 2014 02:28 SixStrings wrote:
Feels like everything is going to shit in SC2.
Was there always that much bad stuff, or is it just that there isn't anything to distract us from it?
I can't remember what that Philippines tournament was called, but we've had similar events before 
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 05:34 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
First all of Quantic's employees claim that they are "unpaid volunteers"
No, that never happened. Most =/= all
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Can't you like report it to the union?
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On January 03 2014 05:34 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
I don't get it.
First all of Quantic's employees claim that they are "unpaid volunteers" who are not really affiliated with Simon. (Obviously to dodge blame for Hyun's incident)
Now they claim that Simon owes them money?
Lmao it seems like ALL of Quantic's employees are scumbags.
I'll admit I haven't been following this saga too closely, but somehow I really doubt the team's COO ever claimed to be an unpaid volunteer.
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On January 03 2014 05:28 iMrising wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 05:19 Caihead wrote:On January 03 2014 05:05 elfonse wrote:On January 03 2014 04:59 TAMinator wrote:
What if the CEO died of lung cancer? you dont simply vanish off the radar one day if you were dying of lung cancer. You would if you are losing money rapidly from an enterprise that's providing you no revenue with out deep pockets, and then realize the huge potential medical costs in order to live. I hope to god this is not actually the case. that was exactly what I was thinking. That might actually be the worst possible situation.
I really hope this Simon guy is telling the truth or that his quote about having a lump on his lung was misquoted but as someone who's significant other is a doctor with a background in cancer treatment his statement just sounds like BS. If you have a lump on your lung that a doctor feels is cancerous #1 they would not use the word cancer before the diagnosis and if they were truly worried about it they would have the test results back in a short time frame...He would not be waiting on the results for long.
His statement of having a lump on his lung and the doctors think its probably cancer sounds to me like someone who is not educated on the subject and wants people to believe something that isn't true.
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On January 03 2014 05:38 -niL wrote:
Can't you like report it to the union?
What union is that?
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Would it matter even if he was suffering from cancer? You don't lie and mislead people for half a year and then run off with $40k. People die all the time, living in horrible circumstances, and they usually aren't as lucky to be a rich person living off their parent's inheritence.
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On January 03 2014 05:34 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
I don't get it.
First all of Quantic's employees claim that they are "unpaid volunteers" who are not really affiliated with Simon. (Obviously to dodge blame for Hyun's incident)
Now they claim that Simon owes them money?
Lmao it seems like ALL of Quantic's employees are scumbags.
all of quantic is a -nothing- of a team, they made this so clear on COUNTLESS different occasions
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 06:26 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Would it matter even if he was suffering from cancer? You don't lie and mislead people for half a year and then run off with $40k. People die all the time, living in horrible circumstances, and they usually aren't as lucky to be a rich person living off their parent's inheritence.
It would be an explanation at least. It wouldn't get anyone their money back and it still wouldn't have been a nice move, but I'd (almost) understand his decision were it the case.
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On January 03 2014 03:00 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 02:10 iamho wrote:
Where I live, its a criminal offense not to fulfill wage obligations. If that's true in Canada, they should make a complaint and get the government to hunt down this clown. Given how badly organised it seems to be, it may be that there are no wage obligations. The contracts probably aren't worth the paper they are written on, although you would be able to go to court and argue that there was constructive obligation, but that would just mean more expense and time to get it sorted. Not saying that some of these people don't deserve to get paid, just that it probably won't be as easy as a normal employment dispute due to the fact the whole team seems to have been a bit of a mess. (Also, these two marketing guys who say they are owed $13k and also say the whole marketing thing was a disaster... what did they do to earn their $13k because they make it seem like it wasn't marketing...)
Yeah this also.
I work in communication/marketing/Innovation myself and i followed the quantic team quite a bit.
The marketing was a disaster, the only good thing the communication department ever did was the roccat sponsorship deal while the team was in dipshit.
That's sad i like those korean hope Qtc had.
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What about the other players like Try and Gamja? Does anyone know about them?
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On January 03 2014 05:03 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 04:53 Pr0wler wrote:On January 03 2014 04:28 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote:On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back. People need to understand that law is not magic and can't make money appear from nowhere. And generally courts are not in the business of garnishing people's wages to force them to pay funds they owe. Also, in the America court system, if Simon had no money to give, he could just declare bankruptcy and resolve the debt dispute that way. Courts are not magic and generally it is not worth suing an individual to try and get your money back. Even if he declares bankruptcy, he still must pay what he owes to his creditors. I don't know how is it in Canada, but I'm pretty sure you can't just declare bankruptcy and go in the green. Either with his own money or by selling assets he will be forced to pay. Now I don't know what kind of company Quantic is (or is it company at all), but usually this happens, at least in EU... I think Plansix has some kind of legal education (might be a paralegal?), and if he were to explain the legal situation I'd feel inclined to believe what he's saying. I would appreciate some clarification on the subject though if that's possible. Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 04:55 jubil wrote:
What a shame that the company had such a grossly inexperienced, immature, and immoral CEO. He needs to turn himself in and atone for this mess. In just running away from the situation, I hope his soul is ill at ease with what he's done.
Does anyone actually believe that this will happen? I mean I'd be jumping from joy if it did, but "turning himself in" for stealing some money? I doubt he's feeling very burdened by this situation.
I am a paralegal and my firm works in debt collection among other things. Although I don't specialize in bankruptcy, I have to deal with it a lot. In general the courts do not award creditors money that does not exist, especially if it would take the debtor years upon years to pay it back. At 23K money judgment would prevent someone from taking out even the smallest loan(like a car loan) and the courts are not in the business of ruining one person so the other can get blood from a stone. Bankruptcy court is the places where debts are resolved and sometimes that ends with "of the 23K you were owed, you get 2K. Debt resolved."
Court isn't fair. People work for companies for 40 years and lose out of their pensions because the company goes under. If Quantic didn't pocket the money and run, then there is no money to get. If there is no money, then the court is just going to say "sorry, you are out of luck".
Second point: This all assumes that Quantic just ran out of money and went under. Of course if the owner took the money and ran, that's another story. All of that would might out in court, but there is a chance the owner just ran out of money and went under. If so, its really hard to seek back pay from a dead business.
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On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry.
in new york you can take out a posting in a newspaper to serve someone with a summons.
I would imagine Canada probably has similar ways to persecute people you can't find. It is the accused job to show up to court.
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Does anyone know how much of the money owed to Hyun is salary and how much is price money?
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I think people need to understand that Simon did run off with $40k. The problem is that he overspent the team's budget by $40k by funding other operations like the LoL team at the expense of his staff's salaries. In other words, he's $40k in debt not $40k richer...
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On January 03 2014 08:41 Penev wrote:
Does anyone know how much of the money owed to Hyun is salary and how much is price money?
I think the numbers are in his message.
After my last scheduled events he went off the radar, except to occasionally leave a line saying that he would send the money. The money I should have received was 80,000 SEK from DreamHack winnings (about $12,500) and $26,400 (2,200 x 12) in salary, but I only received $2,200 x5, and after that $950 x5, leaving $10,650 I have not received. In total it's about $23,000 I have not received.
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Considering how unbalanced sports is, teams specially, i feel like tournaments should pay directly to the players if their contract allows them to get the price money.
Edit : business wise it's logical that the price money is paid to the team since thats who the players work.
It's just very unsafe business for the players, we have seen that sometimes the tournament holders can't pay the prize money, now the teams, theres not much security in this business.
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On January 03 2014 07:15 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 05:03 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 04:53 Pr0wler wrote:On January 03 2014 04:28 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2014 03:49 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:44 Derez wrote:On January 03 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On January 03 2014 03:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:
So why is it that neither the CEO or board of directors ever seems to be held responsible for shit they do?
Why the hell can't they be held responsible for the company they are the heads of?
Are laws really so screwed up that if you can't directly charge the company, you can never hold the people responsible accountable for it? The problem here is that the "CEO" (I use the term loosely) stole money from both the company and the employees and then took off. Do you want the employees who also had their money stolen from them because their employer is a jackass? If someone "finds" Simon he might be persecuted, but it's impossible to take legal action against someone you can't actually find. And let's not forget that legal action costs money, which isn't exactly in abundance in the industry. Also, Hyun has earned close to 200k without salaries. Even if we take away the 23k, how on earth does he not have the money to pay for a lawyer in what should be a pretty straight forward case? Yea, it sucks for Hyun but I'm not feeling any pity for a fortunate individual, nor do I see the need for the community to help out here. No. Divide the number by three and you get closer to the actual number. As for legal action, Golden and Hyun have been put in touch with a lawyer specialising on international issues, but there is no guarantee that he'll ever see the money or that Simon is even capable of paying him back. People need to understand that law is not magic and can't make money appear from nowhere. And generally courts are not in the business of garnishing people's wages to force them to pay funds they owe. Also, in the America court system, if Simon had no money to give, he could just declare bankruptcy and resolve the debt dispute that way. Courts are not magic and generally it is not worth suing an individual to try and get your money back. Even if he declares bankruptcy, he still must pay what he owes to his creditors. I don't know how is it in Canada, but I'm pretty sure you can't just declare bankruptcy and go in the green. Either with his own money or by selling assets he will be forced to pay. Now I don't know what kind of company Quantic is (or is it company at all), but usually this happens, at least in EU... I think Plansix has some kind of legal education (might be a paralegal?), and if he were to explain the legal situation I'd feel inclined to believe what he's saying. I would appreciate some clarification on the subject though if that's possible. On January 03 2014 04:55 jubil wrote:
What a shame that the company had such a grossly inexperienced, immature, and immoral CEO. He needs to turn himself in and atone for this mess. In just running away from the situation, I hope his soul is ill at ease with what he's done.
Does anyone actually believe that this will happen? I mean I'd be jumping from joy if it did, but "turning himself in" for stealing some money? I doubt he's feeling very burdened by this situation. I am a paralegal and my firm works in debt collection among other things. Although I don't specialize in bankruptcy, I have to deal with it a lot. In general the courts do not award creditors money that does not exist, especially if it would take the debtor years upon years to pay it back. At 23K money judgment would prevent someone from taking out even the smallest loan(like a car loan) and the courts are not in the business of ruining one person so the other can get blood from a stone. Bankruptcy court is the places where debts are resolved and sometimes that ends with "of the 23K you were owed, you get 2K. Debt resolved." Court isn't fair. People work for companies for 40 years and lose out of their pensions because the company goes under. If Quantic didn't pocket the money and run, then there is no money to get. If there is no money, then the court is just going to say "sorry, you are out of luck". Second point: This all assumes that Quantic just ran out of money and went under. Of course if the owner took the money and ran, that's another story. All of that would might out in court, but there is a chance the owner just ran out of money and went under. If so, its really hard to seek back pay from a dead business.
This is the reason why one should never have ones pension with the company one is working with.
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Gus Ledesma all over again. This is why you don't let children run companies.
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Simon Boudreault is an adult, no matter how you look at it.
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On January 04 2014 00:16 Bagration wrote:
Gus Ledesma all over again. This is why you don't let children run companies.
The problem is that there is no stopping this a priori, not until there is some sort of governing body or vetting collective that a new team must seek out in order to be trusted by the community. Until then, whenever someone promises money and travel, good luck stopping players from attempting to capitalize on their skill via teams of nebulous reliability.
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On January 03 2014 22:30 chobopeon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 08:41 Penev wrote:
Does anyone know how much of the money owed to Hyun is salary and how much is price money? I think the numbers are in his message. Show nested quote +After my last scheduled events he went off the radar, except to occasionally leave a line saying that he would send the money. The money I should have received was 80,000 SEK from DreamHack winnings (about $12,500) and $26,400 (2,200 x 12) in salary, but I only received $2,200 x5, and after that $950 x5, leaving $10,650 I have not received. In total it's about $23,000 I have not received.
Oops, you're right. My bad and thanks.
12.5k is a lot of money. It's to be recommended that players and tournament organizers handle these payments directly comes to show..
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We should donate to the whole Quantic Gaming instead of Hyun alone. hmmm.
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On January 04 2014 01:22 lystier wrote:
We should donate to the whole Quantic Gaming instead of Hyun alone. hmmm.
Absolutely not.
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I suggest everyone throughout the thread uses his full name (Simon Boudreault), so that if anyone makes a background check on him this thread shows up at the top.
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On January 03 2014 06:44 Tamagoshi wrote:
What about the other players like Try and Gamja? Does anyone know about them?
It's most likely no one else but hyun had a salary and none of them had any tournament success enough to require quantic to serve as a middle man to handle it.
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Some fat dude just bought a house next to mine with 40k down payment
Anyone need a pitchfork?
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haiz this is so sad. I hope they can salvsage wat they can
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