EPTHyuN owed $23,000 in back pay and prize money by Quantic -…
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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chris2423
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however, i don't understand the prize pool situation. why would a tournament ever pay the team and not the player? this makes literally zero sense to me, except for in a teamleague. individual tournament = pay the player. as for hiring a lawyer and sueing him, theres no guarentee that he will win the case, and if he won the case, that he would ever collect on the judgement. There is what hyun says of their agreement to what he got paid, but that isnt necesary what his actual contract said, if he actually still has the contract, and if there are any stipulations on prizepools (i've heard league of legends players dont actually get their full winnings). Its really nice to see a lawyer volunteering to take a look at the case for free though. And people talk crap about lawyers! from the post it looks to me like he was receiving $2200/month in salary, and hadnt received his full pay in ~7 months. I can only imagine how stressful it is flying to tournaments is, but you have to be more on top of your finances than going half a year without your pay and not doing anything about it. Not blaming hyun, hes definately not the first time someone has been taken advantage of. Players are young and inexperienced, and are probably led to just trust their team, but this is definately a lesson for all pro-gamers, if you are going to make a living playing, make sure you are actually getting paid. Overall i feel really bad for him, thats a lot of money to get stiffed for, hope everything works out for him. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
no wonder majority of the world takes esport seriously. hideous creatures like Simon are unfortunately a common appearance in esports. It's the same everywhere. I am mostly familiar with basketball of all sports, so believe me lawsuits are everywhere here. Maybe not with the top few NBA / Euroleague clubs, but everywhere else for sure. World does not take esports seriously because of stupid prejudice against computers games, no need to try and rationalize it. as for hiring a lawyer and sueing him, theres no guarentee that he will win the case There's never a guarantee to win the case, and yet this is how the justice is done in civilized world. We wouldn't need courts if there was a way to guarantee justice before the case is even opened. | ||
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Oakenshield
United States347 Posts
On January 02 2014 02:18 AlternativeEgo wrote: https://twitter.com/QuanticGaming/status/418421424059981824 "Taking legal actions to assist Hyun". Does this mean they don't have or just won't give him the money while they sue the scumbag themselves, and they're just going to try and be involved in a lawsuit that will never go anywhere so they can say it's not their fault and isolate the guy who was able to rank up in their organization as a thief without ever being caught or monitored by other employees properly? | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
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Oakenshield
United States347 Posts
On January 02 2014 02:22 Sejanus wrote: It's the same everywhere. I am mostly familiar with basketball of all sports, so believe me lawsuits are everywhere here. Maybe not with the top few NBA / Euroleague clubs, but everywhere else for sure. World does not take esports seriously because of stupid prejudice against computers games, no need to try and rationalize it. While I agree the world still wouldn't take esports very seriously otherwise (the word esports alone will never allow respect). I disagree about comparing it to the NBA. Out of the thousands of players who have been paid millions to play in the NBA, how many lost everything with no one to give them a paycheck in the meantime and no chance of being able to afford a lawyer and actually secure your money? This is very different than having a bad agent or manager, in America you usually get some of that money back. Hyun will probably not see his money if Quantic won't personally step in and pay him the money, which they won't. | ||
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On January 02 2014 02:23 Oakenshield wrote: "Taking legal actions to assist Hyun". Does this mean they don't have or just won't give him the money while they sue the scumbag themselves, and they're just going to try and be involved in a lawsuit that will never go anywhere so they can say it's not their fault and isolate the guy who was able to rank up in their organization as a thief without ever being caught or monitored by other employees properly? So you want people completely unconnected with Hyun not being paid, pay with their own money? | ||
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Oakenshield
United States347 Posts
On January 02 2014 02:26 Nerchio wrote: So you want people completely unconnected with Hyun not being paid, pay with their own money? Are you admitting Quantic was never a real company and just a scheme that shifts tournament money from team to team? Surely behind that logo and that official twitter account are other employees who did not steal money and have access to company bank accounts to help out their prized player in his time of need until he can win the lawsuit they're pretending he can win. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
However at the time I write this, my hometown basketball club Zalgiris owes money to at least two players and one coach officialy, most likely way more debts are yet to be made public, is not allowed to hire any new players, and is involved in multiple lawsuits. And it's Euroleague top 16 club with history dating back to forties, not some relatively new scamclub like quantic appears to be. And I hear stories like this constantly, at least with the European clubs. | ||
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lopido
Canada245 Posts
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TrOn_sc2
Germany91 Posts
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orvinreyes
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 02 2014 02:30 Oakenshield wrote: Are you admitting Quantic was never a real company and just a scheme that shifts tournament money from team to team? Surely behind that logo and that official twitter account are other employees who did not steal money and have access to company bank accounts to help out their prized player in his time of need until he can win the lawsuit they're pretending he can win. Most people working with/for Quantic were volunteers and are not to blame. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
On January 02 2014 02:34 TrOn_sc2 wrote: If we all would donate one or two Dollar we could make it. I hope you guys do it too. Make what, help him hire a good lawyer? Or make him up for the money he should have received from that Simon guy, so that Simon could keep it? | ||
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zoid
Sweden36 Posts
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
On January 02 2014 02:30 Oakenshield wrote: Are you admitting Quantic was never a real company and just a scheme that shifts tournament money from team to team? Surely behind that logo and that official twitter account are other employees who did not steal money and have access to company bank accounts to help out their prized player in his time of need until he can win the lawsuit they're pretending he can win. Quantic isn't this humongous organization, it's entirely likely that nobody had any access to the bank accounts other than the owner. That's pretty much how small businesses work. | ||
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PeopleWhoAnnoyYou
58 Posts
On January 02 2014 02:23 Oakenshield wrote: "Taking legal actions to assist Hyun". Does this mean they don't have or just won't give him the money while they sue the scumbag themselves, and they're just going to try and be involved in a lawsuit that will never go anywhere so they can say it's not their fault and isolate the guy who was able to rank up in their organization as a thief without ever being caught or monitored by other employees properly? Basically: -Simon took the money -Quantic is composed of mostly unpaid volunteers (these are the people who tweeted that) -They are looking to take "legal action" to help Hyun For all we know, "legal action" might just mean the opposite of "illegal action" lmao, not necessarily anything related to legal proceedings. There is no indication that Quantic will be starting a lawsuit for Hyun. Their tweet was just vague reassurance. | ||
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Bogeyman
Sweden307 Posts
On January 02 2014 02:18 AlternativeEgo wrote: https://twitter.com/QuanticGaming/status/418421424059981824 Was Hyun contracted to Quantic, or to Simon? If it's to Quantic, then Quantic owes Hyun the money, and Simon has stolen the money from Quantic and owes them the money. So, Quantic, I wish you luck in your legal action against Simon. | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
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chris2423
31 Posts
On January 02 2014 02:37 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote: Basically: -Simon took the money -Quantic is composed of mostly unpaid volunteers (these are the people who tweeted that) -They are looking to take "legal action" to help Hyun For all we know, "legal action" might just mean the opposite of "illegal action" lmao, not necessarily anything related to legal proceedings. There is no indication that Quantic will be starting a lawsuit for Hyun. Their tweet was just vague reassurance. The tweet is basically to deflect blame from the organization and onto simon. It means absolutely nothing. | ||
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