• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 13:35
CET 19:35
KST 03:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ? Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win
Tourneys
SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Ziemie's Starcraft 1 Prequel Campaign 🇺🇦 Ukrainian StarCraft:BroodWar community reborn BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [$1250] International ShieldBattery League KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Deus Ex 3!? Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck? Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8834 users

WCS AM 2014 S1 Qualifier Registrations Now Open - Page 49

Forum Index > SC2 General
1753 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 47 48 49 50 51 88 Next
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 07 2014 00:42 GMT
#961
From what I understand some of the issue is that these players have barcodes and their actual named account. In general the barcode gets more play. And the rule states (or implies?) it needs to be on the main account. So if QXC (this is only an example) has 120 wins on his named account but 300 wins on his barcode they, currently, would not sum those.
Wat
Incand
Profile Joined November 2012
143 Posts
January 07 2014 00:43 GMT
#962
Doesn't seem like it's nasl fault at all. The problem is that the wcs site state something different from the handbook (cumulative or not) but either way not managing 200 wins last seasons is pretty bad for a pro gamer and it was clearly stated in the handbook which people like me that didn't even plan to participate knew said you had to have 200 wins. And if not they can still play in the am only qualifiers. Seems pretty shitty they delayed the tournament now but I guess that's also bc the official wcs information was inconsistant. Just feel sad for the players who already get 200 wins if they don't qualify instead of someone that didn't even ladder.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
January 07 2014 00:45 GMT
#963
On January 07 2014 09:42 Neemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 09:39 Zealously wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:38 mikumegurine wrote:
So 2013 Season 3, need 200 wins or 2014 Season 1 need 200 wins right?



No, it's apparently cumulative. This season and the last. The WCS site is a little ambiguous but what we're hearing right now is that it covers both.


... which makes it even more sad that only so few people qualified for this.


Today it wasn't cumulative, the admin only looked at last season or this season, not both together. It's just this way from now on I think, the rules weren't clear enough. God this is getting confusing, gonna sleep now.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 00:46:58
January 07 2014 00:46 GMT
#964
On January 07 2014 09:45 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 09:42 Neemi wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:39 Zealously wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:38 mikumegurine wrote:
So 2013 Season 3, need 200 wins or 2014 Season 1 need 200 wins right?



No, it's apparently cumulative. This season and the last. The WCS site is a little ambiguous but what we're hearing right now is that it covers both.


... which makes it even more sad that only so few people qualified for this.


Today it wasn't cumulative, the admin only looked at last season or this season, not both together. It's just this way from now on I think, the rules weren't clear enough. God this is getting confusing, gonna sleep now.


Can I bring the nitpicking meta forward and state that someone with 201 wins (or more) might not necessarily be someone "with 200 wins"?
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 00:47:34
January 07 2014 00:46 GMT
#965
So if something is important, and not very clear.. You ask the source for confimation/answers right? Blizz/NASL would be a good place to start (next to team-liquid).

Twitter, facebook, e-mail, phone, skype...

I dunno, but for every pro player that seems to promote their own urls on all these platforms, they sure seem reluctant to use it for its designed functionality instead of a marketing tool.
월요 날 재미있
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 07 2014 00:46 GMT
#966
On January 07 2014 09:42 Tenks wrote:
From what I understand some of the issue is that these players have barcodes and their actual named account. In general the barcode gets more play. And the rule states (or implies?) it needs to be on the main account. So if QXC (this is only an example) has 120 wins on his named account but 300 wins on his barcode they, currently, would not sum those.

That is no clear in the rule book, but I am going to bet they want it on one account to avoid problems and general cheating. This is a question a progamer should have asked Blizzard when the handbook was released, rather than a fan asking now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
January 07 2014 00:48 GMT
#967
On January 07 2014 09:42 Tenks wrote:
From what I understand some of the issue is that these players have barcodes and their actual named account. In general the barcode gets more play. And the rule states (or implies?) it needs to be on the main account. So if QXC (this is only an example) has 120 wins on his named account but 300 wins on his barcode they, currently, would not sum those.

it's okay they ended up making an exception for qxc http://i.imgur.com/LjwgBgP.png
so who knows maybe when they release the information they will let you use as many accounts as you want as long as you have 200 wins combined between current/previous season :3
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-07 00:50:28
January 07 2014 00:49 GMT
#968
On January 07 2014 09:46 Loxley wrote:
So if something is important, and not very clear.. You ask the source for confimation/answers right?

Twitter, facebook, e-mail, phone, skype...

I dunno, but for every pro player that seems to promote their own urls on all these platforms, they sure seem reluctant to use it for its designed functionality instead of a marketing tool.

They just need twitter. Kim Phan responds to lots of stuff and is super helpful. The just need to break out of their nerd shell and ask the question. She is following a good chunk of them on twitter, so they could just send her a direct message with questions if they don't want us all to see.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 07 2014 00:51 GMT
#969
On January 07 2014 09:46 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 09:42 Tenks wrote:
From what I understand some of the issue is that these players have barcodes and their actual named account. In general the barcode gets more play. And the rule states (or implies?) it needs to be on the main account. So if QXC (this is only an example) has 120 wins on his named account but 300 wins on his barcode they, currently, would not sum those.

That is no clear in the rule book, but I am going to bet they want it on one account to avoid problems and general cheating. This is a question a progamer should have asked Blizzard when the handbook was released, rather than a fan asking now.


No doubt it's an issue if they allow barcode accounts to sum into the total. What is to stop someone from just phoning a friend to log onto their bar code real quick and say that it is him as well? It is a can of worms that should be stopped now, imo.
Wat
Tamagoshi
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil981 Posts
January 07 2014 01:02 GMT
#970
On January 07 2014 09:51 Tenks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 09:46 Plansix wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:42 Tenks wrote:
From what I understand some of the issue is that these players have barcodes and their actual named account. In general the barcode gets more play. And the rule states (or implies?) it needs to be on the main account. So if QXC (this is only an example) has 120 wins on his named account but 300 wins on his barcode they, currently, would not sum those.

That is no clear in the rule book, but I am going to bet they want it on one account to avoid problems and general cheating. This is a question a progamer should have asked Blizzard when the handbook was released, rather than a fan asking now.


No doubt it's an issue if they allow barcode accounts to sum into the total. What is to stop someone from just phoning a friend to log onto their bar code real quick and say that it is him as well? It is a can of worms that should be stopped now, imo.

Well, at least this will not be a problem next time

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 07 2014 01:04 GMT
#971
On January 07 2014 10:02 Tamagoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 09:51 Tenks wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:46 Plansix wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:42 Tenks wrote:
From what I understand some of the issue is that these players have barcodes and their actual named account. In general the barcode gets more play. And the rule states (or implies?) it needs to be on the main account. So if QXC (this is only an example) has 120 wins on his named account but 300 wins on his barcode they, currently, would not sum those.

That is no clear in the rule book, but I am going to bet they want it on one account to avoid problems and general cheating. This is a question a progamer should have asked Blizzard when the handbook was released, rather than a fan asking now.


No doubt it's an issue if they allow barcode accounts to sum into the total. What is to stop someone from just phoning a friend to log onto their bar code real quick and say that it is him as well? It is a can of worms that should be stopped now, imo.

Well, at least this will not be a problem next time

https://twitter.com/kimaphan/status/420351058628448256

My god, Shew used twitter to contact Blizzard about a rule he was unclear about. Such passion.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ivancype
Profile Joined December 2012
Brazil485 Posts
January 07 2014 01:24 GMT
#972
It makes some sense to add the victories of the current and previous seasons for the same account now that wcs season match with the ladder season because get 200 wins in 1 week is pretty hard. But use wins from smurf accounts doesnt.
The other race is OP
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 07 2014 01:28 GMT
#973
On January 07 2014 09:46 SinCitta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 09:45 Musicus wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:42 Neemi wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:39 Zealously wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:38 mikumegurine wrote:
So 2013 Season 3, need 200 wins or 2014 Season 1 need 200 wins right?



No, it's apparently cumulative. This season and the last. The WCS site is a little ambiguous but what we're hearing right now is that it covers both.


... which makes it even more sad that only so few people qualified for this.


Today it wasn't cumulative, the admin only looked at last season or this season, not both together. It's just this way from now on I think, the rules weren't clear enough. God this is getting confusing, gonna sleep now.


Can I bring the nitpicking meta forward and state that someone with 201 wins (or more) might not necessarily be someone "with 200 wins"?

It's true. They didn't specify "200 wins or more"
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
January 07 2014 01:38 GMT
#974
On January 07 2014 10:28 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 09:46 SinCitta wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:45 Musicus wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:42 Neemi wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:39 Zealously wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:38 mikumegurine wrote:
So 2013 Season 3, need 200 wins or 2014 Season 1 need 200 wins right?



No, it's apparently cumulative. This season and the last. The WCS site is a little ambiguous but what we're hearing right now is that it covers both.


... which makes it even more sad that only so few people qualified for this.


Today it wasn't cumulative, the admin only looked at last season or this season, not both together. It's just this way from now on I think, the rules weren't clear enough. God this is getting confusing, gonna sleep now.


Can I bring the nitpicking meta forward and state that someone with 201 wins (or more) might not necessarily be someone "with 200 wins"?

It's true. They didn't specify "200 wins or more"

New meta, Blackjackcraft.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
January 07 2014 01:46 GMT
#975
On January 07 2014 10:38 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 10:28 Darkhoarse wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:46 SinCitta wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:45 Musicus wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:42 Neemi wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:39 Zealously wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:38 mikumegurine wrote:
So 2013 Season 3, need 200 wins or 2014 Season 1 need 200 wins right?



No, it's apparently cumulative. This season and the last. The WCS site is a little ambiguous but what we're hearing right now is that it covers both.


... which makes it even more sad that only so few people qualified for this.


Today it wasn't cumulative, the admin only looked at last season or this season, not both together. It's just this way from now on I think, the rules weren't clear enough. God this is getting confusing, gonna sleep now.


Can I bring the nitpicking meta forward and state that someone with 201 wins (or more) might not necessarily be someone "with 200 wins"?

It's true. They didn't specify "200 wins or more"

New meta, Blackjackcraft.


the 200th win game, must also have exactly 200 APM, no more no less
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
January 07 2014 01:47 GMT
#976
On January 07 2014 10:46 mikumegurine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 10:38 Squat wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:28 Darkhoarse wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:46 SinCitta wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:45 Musicus wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:42 Neemi wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:39 Zealously wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:38 mikumegurine wrote:
So 2013 Season 3, need 200 wins or 2014 Season 1 need 200 wins right?



No, it's apparently cumulative. This season and the last. The WCS site is a little ambiguous but what we're hearing right now is that it covers both.


... which makes it even more sad that only so few people qualified for this.


Today it wasn't cumulative, the admin only looked at last season or this season, not both together. It's just this way from now on I think, the rules weren't clear enough. God this is getting confusing, gonna sleep now.


Can I bring the nitpicking meta forward and state that someone with 201 wins (or more) might not necessarily be someone "with 200 wins"?

It's true. They didn't specify "200 wins or more"

New meta, Blackjackcraft.


the 200th win game, must also have exactly 200 APM, no more no less

Average unspent resources must be 200 and time spend supply blocked will either be set at 2:00 or 200 seconds
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 07 2014 01:49 GMT
#977
On January 07 2014 10:47 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 10:46 mikumegurine wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:38 Squat wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:28 Darkhoarse wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:46 SinCitta wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:45 Musicus wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:42 Neemi wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:39 Zealously wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:38 mikumegurine wrote:
So 2013 Season 3, need 200 wins or 2014 Season 1 need 200 wins right?



No, it's apparently cumulative. This season and the last. The WCS site is a little ambiguous but what we're hearing right now is that it covers both.


... which makes it even more sad that only so few people qualified for this.


Today it wasn't cumulative, the admin only looked at last season or this season, not both together. It's just this way from now on I think, the rules weren't clear enough. God this is getting confusing, gonna sleep now.


Can I bring the nitpicking meta forward and state that someone with 201 wins (or more) might not necessarily be someone "with 200 wins"?

It's true. They didn't specify "200 wins or more"

New meta, Blackjackcraft.


the 200th win game, must also have exactly 200 APM, no more no less

Average unspent resources must be 200 and time spend supply blocked will either be set at 2:00 or 200 seconds


doing those 2 at the same time should be quite hilarious
Zest fanboy.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
January 07 2014 01:54 GMT
#978
On January 07 2014 10:47 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 10:46 mikumegurine wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:38 Squat wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:28 Darkhoarse wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:46 SinCitta wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:45 Musicus wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:42 Neemi wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:39 Zealously wrote:
On January 07 2014 09:38 mikumegurine wrote:
So 2013 Season 3, need 200 wins or 2014 Season 1 need 200 wins right?



No, it's apparently cumulative. This season and the last. The WCS site is a little ambiguous but what we're hearing right now is that it covers both.


... which makes it even more sad that only so few people qualified for this.


Today it wasn't cumulative, the admin only looked at last season or this season, not both together. It's just this way from now on I think, the rules weren't clear enough. God this is getting confusing, gonna sleep now.


Can I bring the nitpicking meta forward and state that someone with 201 wins (or more) might not necessarily be someone "with 200 wins"?

It's true. They didn't specify "200 wins or more"

New meta, Blackjackcraft.


the 200th win game, must also have exactly 200 APM, no more no less

Average unspent resources must be 200 and time spend supply blocked will either be set at 2:00 or 200 seconds


the winning player must exit the game at exactly the 20:00 mark or the 2:00:00 mark. (or the 20:00:00 mark if we get another firecake v mana type game)
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
January 07 2014 01:56 GMT
#979
Well if it's the winning player, he could just win and then sit in the game until the proscribed time. Winning at 2:00:14 would kind of suck.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
January 07 2014 02:12 GMT
#980
http://nasl.tv/News/Article/20140107wcs-america-season-1-ladder-wildcard-qualifier-update
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Prev 1 47 48 49 50 51 88 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 16h 25m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Serral 1311
mouzStarbuck 70
BRAT_OK 37
MindelVK 10
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18795
Calm 2290
Shuttle 782
Mini 430
Dewaltoss 161
ProTech104
ggaemo 57
Shine 21
sorry 19
Rock 18
[ Show more ]
Noble 7
Dota 2
qojqva3542
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Trikslyr56
Counter-Strike
gobbtv334
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox222
Other Games
tarik_tv5339
Grubby2455
FrodaN753
ArmadaUGS200
Fuzer 187
C9.Mang0168
PiGStarcraft114
QueenE92
NeuroSwarm71
KnowMe66
edward60
Railgan25
Chillindude16
JuggernautJason13
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL146
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 65
• 3DClanTV 60
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV801
League of Legends
• Nemesis2915
• Jankos1379
• TFBlade698
Other Games
• imaqtpie632
• Shiphtur510
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
16h 25m
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
herO vs Rogue
IPSL
22h 25m
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
AI Arena Tournament
1d
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 16h
IPSL
1d 22h
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-05
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.