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On January 07 2014 09:08 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:05 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:On January 07 2014 08:53 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:46 SamuraiX- wrote:On January 07 2014 08:42 nkr wrote:
guys the solution is clearly that american players need more money, otherwise they cant afford an education to read the rules
koreans have such an advantage On January 07 2014 08:44 Musicus wrote:On January 07 2014 08:39 Shellshock wrote:
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It seems like that's the plan so they have more than 21 people in the qualifiers And that's just complete BS. The few who did read the rules and got 200 wins in time should be rewarded, don't give the lazy, uninformed ones another chance. Those guys have to grow up and become a pro at some point. Stop feeding them with a spoon. On January 07 2014 08:46 Dodgin wrote:
Fucking Bomber managed to figure out that he needed 200 wins on NA, and he got them. But apparently players that can actually read the English player handbook couldn't do it. Too busy crying about Protoss or the new maps on Reddit I guess. Honestly, this. All of this fuckery would've probably been avoided if hopeful participants gave enough of a shit to read the rules. Thought I'm still incredibly disappointed in the NASL crew for not communicating anything with anybody which just wasted three hours of our time and more importantly the time of the progamers involved. Woah, woah, woah... how about you calm down and take a deep breath. maybe even a few deep breaths. Are you calm now? Good. Then I have to ask you: Why the hell would you ever think that Bomber cannot actually read the English player handbook, Dodgin? I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him. Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber undergoes Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary. well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened. And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them? Nope, I'm just trying to persuade people that lack of reading skill is not the root of the problem. Okay, a lot of people signed up who were not elligible, but there are idiots on every server and some people were obviously trying to push their luck, of which I cannot blame them. It should've been NASL's responsibility that only the valid signups end up in the bracket.
sure the handbook wasn't available. And a clear lack of dedication for so called "pros"
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On January 07 2014 09:09 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:05 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:On January 07 2014 08:53 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:46 SamuraiX- wrote:On January 07 2014 08:42 nkr wrote:
guys the solution is clearly that american players need more money, otherwise they cant afford an education to read the rules
koreans have such an advantage On January 07 2014 08:44 Musicus wrote:
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And that's just complete BS. The few who did read the rules and got 200 wins in time should be rewarded, don't give the lazy, uninformed ones another chance. Those guys have to grow up and become a pro at some point. Stop feeding them with a spoon. On January 07 2014 08:46 Dodgin wrote:
Fucking Bomber managed to figure out that he needed 200 wins on NA, and he got them. But apparently players that can actually read the English player handbook couldn't do it. Too busy crying about Protoss or the new maps on Reddit I guess. Honestly, this. All of this fuckery would've probably been avoided if hopeful participants gave enough of a shit to read the rules. Thought I'm still incredibly disappointed in the NASL crew for not communicating anything with anybody which just wasted three hours of our time and more importantly the time of the progamers involved. Woah, woah, woah... how about you calm down and take a deep breath. maybe even a few deep breaths. Are you calm now? Good. Then I have to ask you: Why the hell would you ever think that Bomber cannot actually read the English player handbook, Dodgin? I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him. Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber undergoes Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary. well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened. And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them? Nope, I'm just trying to persuade people that lack of reading skill is not the root of the problem. Okay, a lot of people signed up who were not elligible, but there are idiots on every server and some people were obviously trying to push their luck, of which I cannot blame them. It should've been NASL's responsibility that only the valid signups end up in the bracket. sure the handbook wasn't available. And a clear lack of dedication for so called "pros"
Wait, did the handbook contain information about the qualifier dates or have I been repeatedly trolled in the past few pages?
It's way too late here in Europe, I think I need to catch up some sleep.
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Canada16217 Posts
On January 07 2014 09:11 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:09 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 09:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:05 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:On January 07 2014 08:53 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:46 SamuraiX- wrote:
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Honestly, this.
All of this fuckery would've probably been avoided if hopeful participants gave enough of a shit to read the rules.
Thought I'm still incredibly disappointed in the NASL crew for not communicating anything with anybody which just wasted three hours of our time and more importantly the time of the progamers involved. Woah, woah, woah... how about you calm down and take a deep breath. maybe even a few deep breaths. Are you calm now? Good. Then I have to ask you: Why the hell would you ever think that Bomber cannot actually read the English player handbook, Dodgin? I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him. Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber undergoes Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary. well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened. And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them? Nope, I'm just trying to persuade people that lack of reading skill is not the root of the problem. Okay, a lot of people signed up who were not elligible, but there are idiots on every server and some people were obviously trying to push their luck, of which I cannot blame them. It should've been NASL's responsibility that only the valid signups end up in the bracket. sure the handbook wasn't available. And a clear lack of dedication for so called "pros" Wait, did the handbook contain information about the qualifier dates or have I been repeatedly trolled in the past few pages? It's way too late here in Europe, I think I need to catch up some sleep.
bottom of page 7
http://media.blizzard.com/sc2/media/downloads/WCS-Player-Handbook.pdf
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On January 07 2014 09:11 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:09 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 09:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:05 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:On January 07 2014 08:53 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:46 SamuraiX- wrote:
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Honestly, this.
All of this fuckery would've probably been avoided if hopeful participants gave enough of a shit to read the rules.
Thought I'm still incredibly disappointed in the NASL crew for not communicating anything with anybody which just wasted three hours of our time and more importantly the time of the progamers involved. Woah, woah, woah... how about you calm down and take a deep breath. maybe even a few deep breaths. Are you calm now? Good. Then I have to ask you: Why the hell would you ever think that Bomber cannot actually read the English player handbook, Dodgin? I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him. Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber undergoes Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary. well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened. And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them? Nope, I'm just trying to persuade people that lack of reading skill is not the root of the problem. Okay, a lot of people signed up who were not elligible, but there are idiots on every server and some people were obviously trying to push their luck, of which I cannot blame them. It should've been NASL's responsibility that only the valid signups end up in the bracket. sure the handbook wasn't available. And a clear lack of dedication for so called "pros" Wait, did the handbook contain information about the qualifier dates or have I been repeatedly trolled in the past few pages? It's way too late here in Europe, I think I need to catch up some sleep.
it contained the info about the 200 wins and had the early january part iirc. Which should be enough to get the 200wins in order to play in the qualifier.
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On January 07 2014 09:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:09 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 09:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:05 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:On January 07 2014 08:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
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Woah, woah, woah... how about you calm down and take a deep breath. maybe even a few deep breaths. Are you calm now? Good. Then I have to ask you: Why the hell would you ever think that Bomber cannot actually read the English player handbook, Dodgin? I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him. Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber undergoes Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary. well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened. And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them? Nope, I'm just trying to persuade people that lack of reading skill is not the root of the problem. Okay, a lot of people signed up who were not elligible, but there are idiots on every server and some people were obviously trying to push their luck, of which I cannot blame them. It should've been NASL's responsibility that only the valid signups end up in the bracket. sure the handbook wasn't available. And a clear lack of dedication for so called "pros" Wait, did the handbook contain information about the qualifier dates or have I been repeatedly trolled in the past few pages? It's way too late here in Europe, I think I need to catch up some sleep. bottom of page 7 http://media.blizzard.com/sc2/media/downloads/WCS-Player-Handbook.pdf
They better update the file or there's going to be another screw up next week.
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On January 07 2014 09:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:09 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 09:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:05 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:On January 07 2014 08:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
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Woah, woah, woah... how about you calm down and take a deep breath. maybe even a few deep breaths. Are you calm now? Good. Then I have to ask you: Why the hell would you ever think that Bomber cannot actually read the English player handbook, Dodgin? I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him. Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber undergoes Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary. well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened. And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them? Nope, I'm just trying to persuade people that lack of reading skill is not the root of the problem. Okay, a lot of people signed up who were not elligible, but there are idiots on every server and some people were obviously trying to push their luck, of which I cannot blame them. It should've been NASL's responsibility that only the valid signups end up in the bracket. sure the handbook wasn't available. And a clear lack of dedication for so called "pros" Wait, did the handbook contain information about the qualifier dates or have I been repeatedly trolled in the past few pages? It's way too late here in Europe, I think I need to catch up some sleep. bottom of page 7 http://media.blizzard.com/sc2/media/downloads/WCS-Player-Handbook.pdf
This wording isnt even consistent with the WCS site. WTF Blizzard
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Italy830 Posts
On January 07 2014 09:04 Shellshock wrote:
I wonder if there were some AM players who figured there would be more Koreans since this is the only qualifier for them to play in and therefore didn't think it was worth it to play in this one and just focus on the main ones for AM players? Cause I mean, there were a lot more Koreans that were playing in the qualifiers last season and while a few retired there were still some left that didn't make it in. I could see that line of reasoning although I don't necessarily agree with it.
To me that's even worse, after an entire year spent QQing about koreans roflstomping everything in WCS America they themselves fuck up everything because they're too lazy. I'm starting to think that koreans don't deserve to get knockout from WCS AM if this is the trend
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On January 07 2014 09:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:09 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 09:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:05 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:On January 07 2014 08:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
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Woah, woah, woah... how about you calm down and take a deep breath. maybe even a few deep breaths. Are you calm now? Good. Then I have to ask you: Why the hell would you ever think that Bomber cannot actually read the English player handbook, Dodgin? I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him. Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber undergoes Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary. well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened. And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them? Nope, I'm just trying to persuade people that lack of reading skill is not the root of the problem. Okay, a lot of people signed up who were not elligible, but there are idiots on every server and some people were obviously trying to push their luck, of which I cannot blame them. It should've been NASL's responsibility that only the valid signups end up in the bracket. sure the handbook wasn't available. And a clear lack of dedication for so called "pros" Wait, did the handbook contain information about the qualifier dates or have I been repeatedly trolled in the past few pages? It's way too late here in Europe, I think I need to catch up some sleep. bottom of page 7 http://media.blizzard.com/sc2/media/downloads/WCS-Player-Handbook.pdf
Kk, being trolled it is. Sry, can't believe I didn't notice it sooner.
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For those who are wondering, the date of the Wildcard Qualifier was released by Blizzard and NASL back on December 18, 2013.
It also says this:
"Ladder Wildcard
Players with 200 wins on the region’s host ladder (“Americas” server for WCS America and “Europe” server for WCS Europe) in this or the past season will be eligible to compete in Ladder Wildcard Qualifiers for all remaining spots without meeting any residency or citizenship requirements."
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438655
Its also still on the WCS webpage and remains unchanged.
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Canada16217 Posts
On January 07 2014 09:14 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:On January 07 2014 09:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:09 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 09:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:05 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:
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I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him.
Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber undergoes Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary. well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened. And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them? Nope, I'm just trying to persuade people that lack of reading skill is not the root of the problem. Okay, a lot of people signed up who were not elligible, but there are idiots on every server and some people were obviously trying to push their luck, of which I cannot blame them. It should've been NASL's responsibility that only the valid signups end up in the bracket. sure the handbook wasn't available. And a clear lack of dedication for so called "pros" Wait, did the handbook contain information about the qualifier dates or have I been repeatedly trolled in the past few pages? It's way too late here in Europe, I think I need to catch up some sleep. bottom of page 7 http://media.blizzard.com/sc2/media/downloads/WCS-Player-Handbook.pdf This wording isnt even consistent with the WCS site. WTF Blizzard
where are you looking?
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/full-season-1-qualifier-dates-for-wcs-2014
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On January 07 2014 09:06 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:02 playa wrote:
To be fair, since this rule has more to do with trying to have some semblance of being politically correct than anything else, most NA players probably assumed no one would actually enforce the rule against them. The goal was to reduce the Korean influx -- not to reduce the amount of NA players who already play all of their games on NA... How many NA players actually play the majority of their games elsewhere? Most pros simply seem to have too many accounts on NA to meet this requirement, if they all have to be on 1 account. So they saw the rule, understood it, and promptly assumed it would not apply for some incomprehensible reason? That is almost impossibly stupid, I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe someone who can be a full time professional in a game as difficult as Starcraft could be that dense. It's just laziness or not bothering to read the rules, which kind of amounts to the same thing.
We're talking about NA players with thousands upon thousands of games played on NA. In all honesty... who cares whether they had 200 wins or not the previous season, etc? I played the majority of my games on EU. I could play in the EU wildcard but not the NA one, despite still playing more than enough to not drop out of NA GM. If I wanted to, obviously I should be able to play in NA wildcard.
The 200 win rule should really only apply to people who aren't residents/don't have citizenship within the respective region. That is, unless a lot of NA players move to Korea and start only training on the Korean server. Then, and only then, would there be some kinda advantage...
That said, I'm surprised anyone signed up, with the way bomber and check owned everyone on ladder...
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On January 07 2014 09:17 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:14 NovaMB wrote:On January 07 2014 09:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:On January 07 2014 09:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:09 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 09:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:05 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:
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But you forget that Bomber undergoes Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary. well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened. And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them? Nope, I'm just trying to persuade people that lack of reading skill is not the root of the problem. Okay, a lot of people signed up who were not elligible, but there are idiots on every server and some people were obviously trying to push their luck, of which I cannot blame them. It should've been NASL's responsibility that only the valid signups end up in the bracket. sure the handbook wasn't available. And a clear lack of dedication for so called "pros" Wait, did the handbook contain information about the qualifier dates or have I been repeatedly trolled in the past few pages? It's way too late here in Europe, I think I need to catch up some sleep. bottom of page 7 http://media.blizzard.com/sc2/media/downloads/WCS-Player-Handbook.pdf This wording isnt even consistent with the WCS site. WTF Blizzard where are you looking? http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/full-season-1-qualifier-dates-for-wcs-2014
WCS Site:
Ladder Wildcard
Players with 200 wins on the region’s host ladder (“Americas” server for WCS America and “Europe” server for WCS Europe) in this and the past season (cumulative between the two Seasons) will be eligible to compete in Ladder Wildcard Qualifiers for all remaining spots without meeting any residency or citizenship requirements.
Handbook:
AM/EU Ladder Wildcard: players with 200 wins on the region’s host ladder (“Americas”
server for WCS America and “Europe” server for WCS Europe) in this or the past season will
be eligible to compete in Ladder Wildcard Qualifiers for all remaining spots without meeting
any residency or citizenship requirements.
Bolded the inconsistent part
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On January 07 2014 09:09 Tamagoshi wrote:
I think all the spots not filled because there aren't enought american players with 200 wins should go to random Korean players from code B, and Korean players like Sniper, Roro.
Are you guys with me?!
Yes we need them to come and even kill all the Korean fan favourites as well. They can then meet in the final which will be heralded as the worst final of all time.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Honestly, if I want to attend a meet (especially overseas), my first priority is to find the relevant information. Do I meet the set qualifying times, are there any specific rules about residency or any other kind of misc. rule that is important to my ability to actually compete? Further, I always want to make sure that I know the starting times. If I show up an hour late because the starting time was moved back 75 minutes (this has happened), I'll be very pissed but ultimately it'll be my fault.
I don't think all the blame lies with the players who were unclear on the situation with rules and prerequisites, Most have teams and (at least the professional teams) should have someone in charge who looks up this stuff. But since we - fans who ultimately have no real interest in knowing the specific rules, knew the rules beforehand, I have to say that I don't exactly feel like catering to the ones who failed to find the rules is the right thing to do. Obviously, locking the majority out of the tournament isn't either, but I don't really feel like all blame can be put on Blizzard and NASL for being unclear here - as a competitor, if something is unclear, I feel like it's my responsibility to make sure I clear things up. The ones who knew the rules beforehand (and may lose in a later qualifier because they received new and less favorable draws) might suffer from this, and I think that kind of sucks. But obviously, everything about this whole ordeal has sucked.
On January 07 2014 09:19 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:06 Squat wrote:On January 07 2014 09:02 playa wrote:
To be fair, since this rule has more to do with trying to have some semblance of being politically correct than anything else, most NA players probably assumed no one would actually enforce the rule against them. The goal was to reduce the Korean influx -- not to reduce the amount of NA players who already play all of their games on NA... How many NA players actually play the majority of their games elsewhere? Most pros simply seem to have too many accounts on NA to meet this requirement, if they all have to be on 1 account. So they saw the rule, understood it, and promptly assumed it would not apply for some incomprehensible reason? That is almost impossibly stupid, I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe someone who can be a full time professional in a game as difficult as Starcraft could be that dense. It's just laziness or not bothering to read the rules, which kind of amounts to the same thing. + Show Spoiler +We're talking about NA players with thousands upon thousands of games played on NA. In all honesty... who cares whether they had 200 wins or not the previous season, etc? I played the majority of my games on EU. I could play in the EU wildcard but not the NA one, despite still playing more than enough to not drop out of NA GM. If I wanted to, obviously I should be able to play in NA wildcard.
The 200 win rule should really only apply to people who aren't residents/don't have citizenship within the respective region. That is, unless a lot of NA players move to Korea and start only training on the Korean server. Then, and only then, would there be some kinda advantage...
That said, I'm surprised anyone signed up, with the way bomber and check owned everyone on ladder...
I think setting a rule in response to Koreans wanting to compete in WCS America is a good idea, but if a rule is set then it shouldn't only be for some people. 200 cumulative wins over 2 seasons shouldn't be any trouble for a progamer, even one with multiple accounts.
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On January 07 2014 09:17 Plansix wrote:For those who are wondering, the date of the Wildcard Qualifier was released by Blizzard and NASL back on December 18, 2013. It also says this: "Ladder Wildcard Players with 200 wins on the region’s host ladder (“Americas” server for WCS America and “Europe” server for WCS Europe) in this or the past season will be eligible to compete in Ladder Wildcard Qualifiers for all remaining spots without meeting any residency or citizenship requirements." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438655Its also still on the WCS webpage and remains unchanged.
The details with signups, exact dates etc got released 10 days later: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439371
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On January 07 2014 09:20 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:17 NovemberstOrm wrote:On January 07 2014 09:14 NovaMB wrote:On January 07 2014 09:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:On January 07 2014 09:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:09 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 09:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:05 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:
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well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened. And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them? Nope, I'm just trying to persuade people that lack of reading skill is not the root of the problem. Okay, a lot of people signed up who were not elligible, but there are idiots on every server and some people were obviously trying to push their luck, of which I cannot blame them. It should've been NASL's responsibility that only the valid signups end up in the bracket. sure the handbook wasn't available. And a clear lack of dedication for so called "pros" Wait, did the handbook contain information about the qualifier dates or have I been repeatedly trolled in the past few pages? It's way too late here in Europe, I think I need to catch up some sleep. bottom of page 7 http://media.blizzard.com/sc2/media/downloads/WCS-Player-Handbook.pdf This wording isnt even consistent with the WCS site. WTF Blizzard where are you looking? http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/full-season-1-qualifier-dates-for-wcs-2014 WCS Site : Show nested quote +Ladder Wildcard
Players with 200 wins on the region’s host ladder (“Americas” server for WCS America and “Europe” server for WCS Europe) in this and the past season (cumulative between the two Seasons) will be eligible to compete in Ladder Wildcard Qualifiers for all remaining spots without meeting any residency or citizenship requirements. Handbook:[quoteAM/EU Ladder Wildcard: players with 200 wins on the region’s host ladder (“Americas” server for WCS America and “Europe” server for WCS Europe) in this or the past season will be eligible to compete in Ladder Wildcard Qualifiers for all remaining spots without meeting any residency or citizenship requirement]
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Ok, I work in law, I am going to break this down for you. It means the same thing and doesn't matter. The spirit of the rule is intact in both wordings.
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NASL site said "current or previous", not combined. Admin also said it wasn't combined but after they took a two hour break they changed it to what the WCS site said and let people in who had combined 200 wins from this season (2014) and last season (Season 6). Apparently they also let in qxc because one of his other accounts had 200 wins, although I'm pretty sure the rules said 'main account' but whatever.
I'm sure we'll find out all the wonderful new changed rules before the tournament next week.
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Canada16217 Posts
On January 07 2014 09:20 NovaMB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:17 NovemberstOrm wrote:On January 07 2014 09:14 NovaMB wrote:On January 07 2014 09:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:On January 07 2014 09:11 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:09 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 09:08 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 09:05 Dodgin wrote:On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:
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well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened. And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them? Nope, I'm just trying to persuade people that lack of reading skill is not the root of the problem. Okay, a lot of people signed up who were not elligible, but there are idiots on every server and some people were obviously trying to push their luck, of which I cannot blame them. It should've been NASL's responsibility that only the valid signups end up in the bracket. sure the handbook wasn't available. And a clear lack of dedication for so called "pros" Wait, did the handbook contain information about the qualifier dates or have I been repeatedly trolled in the past few pages? It's way too late here in Europe, I think I need to catch up some sleep. bottom of page 7 http://media.blizzard.com/sc2/media/downloads/WCS-Player-Handbook.pdf This wording isnt even consistent with the WCS site. WTF Blizzard where are you looking? http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/full-season-1-qualifier-dates-for-wcs-2014 WCS Site: Show nested quote +Ladder Wildcard
Players with 200 wins on the region’s host ladder (“Americas” server for WCS America and “Europe” server for WCS Europe) in this and the past season (cumulative between the two Seasons) will be eligible to compete in Ladder Wildcard Qualifiers for all remaining spots without meeting any residency or citizenship requirements. Handbook: Show nested quote +AM/EU Ladder Wildcard: players with 200 wins on the region’s host ladder (“Americas”
server for WCS America and “Europe” server for WCS Europe) in this or the past season will
be eligible to compete in Ladder Wildcard Qualifiers for all remaining spots without meeting
any residency or citizenship requirements. Bolded the inconsistent part
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On January 07 2014 09:21 Dark.Carnival wrote:
NASL site said "current or previous", not combined. Admin also said it wasn't combined but after they took a two hour break they changed it to what the WCS site said and let people in who had combined 200 wins from this season (2014) and last season (Season 6). Apparently they also let in qxc because one of his other accounts had 200 wins, although I'm pretty sure the rules said 'main account' but whatever.
I'm sure we'll find out all the wonderful new changed rules before the tournament next week.
Ok, I am going to blame the admin for not having a copy of the rules printed out and on his desk for the qualifiers. He shouldn't be using the NASL website as a reference.
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On January 07 2014 09:09 Tamagoshi wrote:
I think all the spots not filled because there aren't enought american players with 200 wins should go to random Korean players from code B, and Korean players like Sniper, Roro.
Are you guys with me?!
Not even the tiniest bit.
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EPT
