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Well that was fun. The moral of the story, NA progamers don't read rules and just assume a lot of stuff. Also, apparently they don't play as much as we thought.
For the viewers, postponing until the 13th is likely the best outcome. No need to DQ half the NA players for one rule. Unfair to those who got 200 wins by today for sure, but I feel they will live through that injustice and be stronger for it.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:On January 07 2014 08:53 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:46 SamuraiX- wrote:On January 07 2014 08:42 nkr wrote:
guys the solution is clearly that american players need more money, otherwise they cant afford an education to read the rules
koreans have such an advantage On January 07 2014 08:44 Musicus wrote:On January 07 2014 08:39 Shellshock wrote:On January 07 2014 08:39 dogmeatstew wrote:
So do all those players that were DQ`d now have an extra week to get their 200 ladder wins? It seems like that's the plan so they have more than 21 people in the qualifiers And that's just complete BS. The few who did read the rules and got 200 wins in time should be rewarded, don't give the lazy, uninformed ones another chance. Those guys have to grow up and become a pro at some point. Stop feeding them with a spoon. On January 07 2014 08:46 Dodgin wrote:
Fucking Bomber managed to figure out that he needed 200 wins on NA, and he got them. But apparently players that can actually read the English player handbook couldn't do it. Too busy crying about Protoss or the new maps on Reddit I guess. Honestly, this. All of this fuckery would've probably been avoided if hopeful participants gave enough of a shit to read the rules. Thought I'm still incredibly disappointed in the NASL crew for not communicating anything with anybody which just wasted three hours of our time and more importantly the time of the progamers involved. Woah, woah, woah... how about you calm down and take a deep breath. maybe even a few deep breaths. Are you calm now? Good. Then I have to ask you: Why the hell would you ever think that Bomber cannot actually read the English player handbook, Dodgin? I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him. Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber underwent Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2011 03:47 ST_Bomber wrote:Hi I,m ST_Bomber Nice to meet my fans I,m sorry about MLG accideent. as you know, there are some trouble with my passport  I hope i can take part in Next MLG Anaheim and we will see you soon(before GSL July) in other tornerment Thank for Cheer and Special Thanks to 'Sarang' On August 28 2011 00:22 ST_Bomber wrote:
Hello ~
I'm saying hi to you from Raleigh.
I'm a bit tired, but my condition is okay.
Thank you for cheering for me
On September 01 2011 21:22 ST_Bomber wrote:Hi my fans~ i arrived korea at 8/31 pm 4:00(KST) because of hurricane so my flight was delayed not so many time to practice for GSTL so tired now.but i,m very happy to win MLG and i promise to my fans that i`ll take part in Next MLG Orlando evertime very thanks to cheering me See you tommorow :D On November 04 2011 05:19 ST_Bomber wrote:
Hi I,m Startale Bomber
I would say to hello from sweden
nice to meet you all
ps : i like upclose gamers james :D
On November 09 2011 07:07 ST_Bomber wrote:
Hi my fans
I,m very sad about recent games
I know that you are worried about my bad conditon
It was caused by tight travel schedule(MLG Raleigh,Redbull Lan party,MLG Orlando,Sweden BenQ event)
I don,t have time to practice GSL Code S,and always in bad condition
i know that i have to practice in korea instead travel
but MLG Orlando.. i promised to MLG fans that i would go MLG Orlaando so i have to go
and Redbull Lan party..i went there to contract with redbull
I’m just telling for the first time this,Red Bull is my sponsor(not team,just about me)
and BenQ event..i just want to practice at ST house but i don,t have option
so i had just 1 day to practice GSL Code S always
and i have jet lag too,it made me terrible conditon
so I`ll not participate any tournament untill December 31 expect MLG providence
I think it`ll be my last tournament in this year
I am pretty sure that i`ll comeback soon if i have little time to practice
I'm sorry to have troubled you
I'm not gonna let you down any more^^
See you at MLG!! bye
ps: don,t worry about nervous problem, i don,t have nervous problem at all
I don't know man but I'm pretty sure the American pros would have an easier time reading the handbook than Bomber and apparently many still failed to.
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On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:On January 07 2014 08:53 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:46 SamuraiX- wrote:On January 07 2014 08:42 nkr wrote:
guys the solution is clearly that american players need more money, otherwise they cant afford an education to read the rules
koreans have such an advantage On January 07 2014 08:44 Musicus wrote:On January 07 2014 08:39 Shellshock wrote:On January 07 2014 08:39 dogmeatstew wrote:
So do all those players that were DQ`d now have an extra week to get their 200 ladder wins? It seems like that's the plan so they have more than 21 people in the qualifiers And that's just complete BS. The few who did read the rules and got 200 wins in time should be rewarded, don't give the lazy, uninformed ones another chance. Those guys have to grow up and become a pro at some point. Stop feeding them with a spoon. On January 07 2014 08:46 Dodgin wrote:
Fucking Bomber managed to figure out that he needed 200 wins on NA, and he got them. But apparently players that can actually read the English player handbook couldn't do it. Too busy crying about Protoss or the new maps on Reddit I guess. Honestly, this. All of this fuckery would've probably been avoided if hopeful participants gave enough of a shit to read the rules. Thought I'm still incredibly disappointed in the NASL crew for not communicating anything with anybody which just wasted three hours of our time and more importantly the time of the progamers involved. Woah, woah, woah... how about you calm down and take a deep breath. maybe even a few deep breaths. Are you calm now? Good. Then I have to ask you: Why the hell would you ever think that Bomber cannot actually read the English player handbook, Dodgin? I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him. Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber undergoes Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary. well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says they can't? They either didn't care enough to sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened.
so they're so far from "pro" behaviour it should'nt matter if they can't participate in the qualifier.
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To be fair, since this rule has more to do with trying to have some semblance of being politically correct than anything else, most NA players probably assumed no one would actually enforce the rule against them. The goal was to reduce the Korean influx -- not to reduce the amount of NA players who already play all of their games on NA... How many NA players actually play the majority of their games elsewhere? Most pros simply seem to have too many accounts on NA to meet this requirement, if they all have to be on 1 account.
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United States23455 Posts
On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:On January 07 2014 08:53 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:46 SamuraiX- wrote:On January 07 2014 08:42 nkr wrote:
guys the solution is clearly that american players need more money, otherwise they cant afford an education to read the rules
koreans have such an advantage On January 07 2014 08:44 Musicus wrote:On January 07 2014 08:39 Shellshock wrote:On January 07 2014 08:39 dogmeatstew wrote:
So do all those players that were DQ`d now have an extra week to get their 200 ladder wins? It seems like that's the plan so they have more than 21 people in the qualifiers And that's just complete BS. The few who did read the rules and got 200 wins in time should be rewarded, don't give the lazy, uninformed ones another chance. Those guys have to grow up and become a pro at some point. Stop feeding them with a spoon. On January 07 2014 08:46 Dodgin wrote:
Fucking Bomber managed to figure out that he needed 200 wins on NA, and he got them. But apparently players that can actually read the English player handbook couldn't do it. Too busy crying about Protoss or the new maps on Reddit I guess. Honestly, this. All of this fuckery would've probably been avoided if hopeful participants gave enough of a shit to read the rules. Thought I'm still incredibly disappointed in the NASL crew for not communicating anything with anybody which just wasted three hours of our time and more importantly the time of the progamers involved. Woah, woah, woah... how about you calm down and take a deep breath. maybe even a few deep breaths. Are you calm now? Good. Then I have to ask you: Why the hell would you ever think that Bomber cannot actually read the English player handbook, Dodgin? I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him. Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber underwent Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary.
The point is, it must have been more difficult for him to read than someone who learned English as their first language, and there isn't really an excuse for showing up to a qualifier not having read the rules when you are sent them in advance.
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On January 07 2014 08:53 Niko_Thien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 08:51 SinCitta wrote:On January 07 2014 08:39 Wintex wrote:On January 07 2014 08:37 NovaMB wrote:On January 07 2014 08:36 Wintex wrote:On January 07 2014 08:31 SinCitta wrote:On January 07 2014 08:22 NovaMB wrote:On January 07 2014 08:20 mikkmagro wrote:
that bracket looks so pathetic (no offence intended to the players actually competing in it)...where are the so-called pros in the American region who have been talking about not having opportunities to compete?
Demuslim, Xenocider, Illusion, Kane, hellokitty, hendralisk, minigun, catz, jimrising...... Busy complaining about new maps on twitter. No idea the WCS site lists 200 cumulative wins. I dont know how they couldnt get that, especially with the new maps and everything they needed to get a feel for in the last days Not trying to defend the sloppiness for anyone that does that for a living, but generally for anything SC2 related: Organizers, if you do an open qualifier, make a thread on TL with all the relevant info if there isn't already one. Nobody looks on your shitty websites. If you can't seriously click a link ON ONE SITE. Seriously. It took me 1,5 min to find all the info on NASL.TV. It's not hard. Thorin was so right. It saddens me. #givekoreamoresupportblizzard. The problem is the info on the NASL site is not consistent with the info on the WCS site. I don't see the difficulty in COMMUNICATING that if it's the case. They used that much time QQ'ing about Daedalus Point when they could have used 1 of the tweets to ask... The top koreans QQ'ed and won. My remark was more aimed at organizers trying to ignore TL as the major community hub in general, also regarding that IPL Satellite EU qualifier. Communication is much easier when that happens on a central hub. If I don't know that something is about to happen, I don't know that I have to look it up. But everybody checks TL.net daily, so when a thread pops up, I know that I have to look it up. It shouldn't be too hard to put some intern to that task and the fact that we talk in this thread ("registration open") instead of a proper LR or official announcement thread bears witness for it. Again, not trying to defend the players that are (semi-)pro here, but sometimes I have the feeling that organizers don't want people to know about their stuff. TL featured the rulebook for WCS, the 200 wins restriction was in there, right?
Yes. And ironically that was a popular demand from the NA scene to "increase the level of the NA ladder".
My point is, however, organizers should make threads like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439820 . Like a birthday invitation. When? Where? Who? What?
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I wonder if there were some AM players who figured there would be more Koreans since this is the only qualifier for them to play in and therefore didn't think it was worth it to play in this one and just focus on the main ones for AM players? Cause I mean, there were a lot more Koreans that were playing in the qualifiers last season and while a few retired there were still some left that didn't make it in. I could see that line of reasoning although I don't necessarily agree with it.
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On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:On January 07 2014 08:53 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:46 SamuraiX- wrote:On January 07 2014 08:42 nkr wrote:
guys the solution is clearly that american players need more money, otherwise they cant afford an education to read the rules
koreans have such an advantage On January 07 2014 08:44 Musicus wrote:On January 07 2014 08:39 Shellshock wrote:On January 07 2014 08:39 dogmeatstew wrote:
So do all those players that were DQ`d now have an extra week to get their 200 ladder wins? It seems like that's the plan so they have more than 21 people in the qualifiers And that's just complete BS. The few who did read the rules and got 200 wins in time should be rewarded, don't give the lazy, uninformed ones another chance. Those guys have to grow up and become a pro at some point. Stop feeding them with a spoon. On January 07 2014 08:46 Dodgin wrote:
Fucking Bomber managed to figure out that he needed 200 wins on NA, and he got them. But apparently players that can actually read the English player handbook couldn't do it. Too busy crying about Protoss or the new maps on Reddit I guess. Honestly, this. All of this fuckery would've probably been avoided if hopeful participants gave enough of a shit to read the rules. Thought I'm still incredibly disappointed in the NASL crew for not communicating anything with anybody which just wasted three hours of our time and more importantly the time of the progamers involved. Woah, woah, woah... how about you calm down and take a deep breath. maybe even a few deep breaths. Are you calm now? Good. Then I have to ask you: Why the hell would you ever think that Bomber cannot actually read the English player handbook, Dodgin? I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him. Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber undergoes Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary. well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened.
And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them?
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On January 07 2014 09:00 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 08:37 NovaMB wrote:On January 07 2014 08:36 Wintex wrote:On January 07 2014 08:31 SinCitta wrote:On January 07 2014 08:22 NovaMB wrote:On January 07 2014 08:20 mikkmagro wrote:
that bracket looks so pathetic (no offence intended to the players actually competing in it)...where are the so-called pros in the American region who have been talking about not having opportunities to compete?
Demuslim, Xenocider, Illusion, Kane, hellokitty, hendralisk, minigun, catz, jimrising...... Busy complaining about new maps on twitter. No idea the WCS site lists 200 cumulative wins. I dont know how they couldnt get that, especially with the new maps and everything they needed to get a feel for in the last days Not trying to defend the sloppiness for anyone that does that for a living, but generally for anything SC2 related: Organizers, if you do an open qualifier, make a thread on TL with all the relevant info if there isn't already one. Nobody looks on your shitty websites. If you can't seriously click a link ON ONE SITE. Seriously. It took me 1,5 min to find all the info on NASL.TV. It's not hard. Thorin was so right. It saddens me. #givekoreamoresupportblizzard. The problem is the info on the NASL site is not consistent with the info on the WCS site. Yep. I was checking wcs.battle.net every day before any info was out on WCS 2014. Finally, they came out with this article http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/full-season-1-qualifier-dates-for-wcs-2014 much too late and it originally didn't even have links to register. Even several days after NASL had opened up registration, there still wasn't a link. The article stated that the article would be updated as soon as more info was available so it's giving me the impression that it's the most reliable place for information. I found out from some helpful fans on twitter about the qualifier and I promptly sent an email to esportsteam@blizzard.com telling them they need to update their page. And even when they updated it with a link to registration, they didn't update the fact that there are three qualifiers on three separate days. I couldn't play the qualifier on January 4 and as far as I knew, that was the only one. Why, on January 6, would I click the link to register for a qualifier that was on January 4? That'd be the only way I'd see that there are two more qualifiers on January 9 and 11. Finally now the article is updated with those dates as well, but too late again. It is ridiculous in the first place that WCS's site isn't the best place for finding information on WCS. It should be. But if they want to let the community handle communicating information about WCS, then the WCS site certainly shouldn't pretend to be a good source of information on WCS. They gave the impression that they'd provide all the info I need on qualifiers and I would have missed them all if they were the only resource I used.
People who claim that the na players cannot or are unwilling to read the rulebook should read this.
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This is why nobody takes the NA SC2 eSports scene seriously.
Fucking embarrassing display of incompetence.
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On January 07 2014 09:01 Plansix wrote:
Well that was fun. The moral of the story, NA progamers don't read rules and just assume a lot of stuff. Also, apparently they don't play as much as we thought.
For the viewers, postponing until the 13th is likely the best outcome. No need to DQ half the NA players for one rule. Unfair to those who got 200 wins by today for sure, but I feel they will live through that injustice and be stronger for it.
being one of those that actually read the rules and was there the entire time i don't mind that it's being rescheduled considering all the problems. i am really sad though that i had a really good bracket after they remade it and won my ro32 when i found out they were canceling it ;_;
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My sides, please stop it. This is pure comedy
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On January 07 2014 09:00 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 08:37 NovaMB wrote:On January 07 2014 08:36 Wintex wrote:On January 07 2014 08:31 SinCitta wrote:On January 07 2014 08:22 NovaMB wrote:On January 07 2014 08:20 mikkmagro wrote:
that bracket looks so pathetic (no offence intended to the players actually competing in it)...where are the so-called pros in the American region who have been talking about not having opportunities to compete?
Demuslim, Xenocider, Illusion, Kane, hellokitty, hendralisk, minigun, catz, jimrising...... Busy complaining about new maps on twitter. No idea the WCS site lists 200 cumulative wins. I dont know how they couldnt get that, especially with the new maps and everything they needed to get a feel for in the last days Not trying to defend the sloppiness for anyone that does that for a living, but generally for anything SC2 related: Organizers, if you do an open qualifier, make a thread on TL with all the relevant info if there isn't already one. Nobody looks on your shitty websites. If you can't seriously click a link ON ONE SITE. Seriously. It took me 1,5 min to find all the info on NASL.TV. It's not hard. Thorin was so right. It saddens me. #givekoreamoresupportblizzard. The problem is the info on the NASL site is not consistent with the info on the WCS site. Yep. I was checking wcs.battle.net every day before any info was out on WCS 2014. Finally, they came out with this article http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/full-season-1-qualifier-dates-for-wcs-2014 much too late and it originally didn't even have links to register. Even several days after NASL had opened up registration, there still wasn't a link. The article stated that the article would be updated as soon as more info was available so it's giving me the impression that it's the most reliable place for information. I found out from some helpful fans on twitter about the qualifier and I promptly sent an email to esportsteam@blizzard.com telling them they need to update their page. And even when they updated it with a link to registration, they didn't update the fact that there are three qualifiers on three separate days. I couldn't play the qualifier on January 4 and as far as I knew, that was the only one. Why, on January 6, would I click the link to register for a qualifier that was on January 4? That'd be the only way I'd see that there are two more qualifiers on January 9 and 11. Finally now the article is updated with those dates as well, but too late again. It is ridiculous in the first place that WCS's site isn't the best place for finding information on WCS. It should be. But if they want to let the community handle communicating information about WCS, then the WCS site certainly shouldn't pretend to be a good source of information on WCS. They gave the impression that they'd provide all the info I need on qualifiers and I would have missed them all if they were the only resource I used.
No offence Nony, but even I knew you needed to get 200 wins on the NA ladder to qualify. And I am by no means a super hardcore fan that watches ever event. The rules may not have been in the best spot, but there is a handbook out there and you have the ability to contact Blizzard or NASL. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who didn't sign up or get enough wins in time.
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On January 07 2014 09:02 playa wrote:
To be fair, since this rule has more to do with trying to have some semblance of being politically correct than anything else, most NA players probably assumed no one would actually enforce the rule against them. The goal was to reduce the Korean influx -- not to reduce the amount of NA players who already play all of their games on NA... How many NA players actually play the majority of their games elsewhere? Most pros simply seem to have too many accounts on NA to meet this requirement, if they all have to be on 1 account.
So they saw the rule, understood it, and promptly assumed it would not apply for some incomprehensible reason? That is almost impossibly stupid, I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe someone who can be a full time professional in a game as difficult as Starcraft could be that dense. It's just laziness or not bothering to read the rules, which kind of amounts to the same thing.
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On January 07 2014 09:06 NovaMB wrote:My sides, please stop it. This is pure comedy
It's so tragically funny...
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United States97274 Posts
On January 07 2014 09:06 NovaMB wrote:My sides, please stop it. This is pure comedy
hahahaha that's so great
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On January 07 2014 09:05 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:01 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:59 sAsImre wrote:On January 07 2014 08:58 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:55 Zealously wrote:On January 07 2014 08:53 JustPassingBy wrote:On January 07 2014 08:46 SamuraiX- wrote:On January 07 2014 08:42 nkr wrote:
guys the solution is clearly that american players need more money, otherwise they cant afford an education to read the rules
koreans have such an advantage On January 07 2014 08:44 Musicus wrote:On January 07 2014 08:39 Shellshock wrote:On January 07 2014 08:39 dogmeatstew wrote:
So do all those players that were DQ`d now have an extra week to get their 200 ladder wins? It seems like that's the plan so they have more than 21 people in the qualifiers And that's just complete BS. The few who did read the rules and got 200 wins in time should be rewarded, don't give the lazy, uninformed ones another chance. Those guys have to grow up and become a pro at some point. Stop feeding them with a spoon. On January 07 2014 08:46 Dodgin wrote:
Fucking Bomber managed to figure out that he needed 200 wins on NA, and he got them. But apparently players that can actually read the English player handbook couldn't do it. Too busy crying about Protoss or the new maps on Reddit I guess. Honestly, this. All of this fuckery would've probably been avoided if hopeful participants gave enough of a shit to read the rules. Thought I'm still incredibly disappointed in the NASL crew for not communicating anything with anybody which just wasted three hours of our time and more importantly the time of the progamers involved. Woah, woah, woah... how about you calm down and take a deep breath. maybe even a few deep breaths. Are you calm now? Good. Then I have to ask you: Why the hell would you ever think that Bomber cannot actually read the English player handbook, Dodgin? I think we can say with reasonable certainty that Bomber will have a lot more trouble reading an English rulebook than an NA progamer. Whether or not the rulebook was translated for Bomber in full is another thing, but as far as I know Bomber's English is far from perfect and the wording in the rulebook was pretty complicated relative to the level of English I've seen from him. Unless there's a handbook readily available in Korean? But you forget that Bomber undergoes Asian education, where all emphasis is put into writing and only little, if at all, is put into speaking. I think he definitely would be able to understand the rulebook, albeit with a little help of an online dictionary. well if an american "pro" can't read it in its native language there is a big problem concerning him. Who says the remaining NA players can't read the rulebook? They either decided to not sign up or they weren't able to get 200 wins or they didn't know it happened. And those are good reasons to delay the qualifier for them?
Nope, I'm just trying to persuade people that lack of reading skill is not the root of the problem. Okay, a lot of people signed up who were not elligible, but there are idiots on every server and some people were obviously trying to push their luck, of which I cannot blame them. It should've been NASL's responsibility that only the valid signups end up in the bracket.
The problem apparently was that the official WCS page is out of date, despite claiming that any update will be posted there immediately, and nobody knew that the qualifier is played today.
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I think all the spots not filled because there aren't enought american players with 200 wins should go to random Korean players from code B, and Korean players like Sniper, Roro.
Are you guys with me?!
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