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On January 07 2014 10:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 10:02 Tamagoshi wrote:On January 07 2014 09:51 Tenks wrote:On January 07 2014 09:46 Plansix wrote:On January 07 2014 09:42 Tenks wrote: From what I understand some of the issue is that these players have barcodes and their actual named account. In general the barcode gets more play. And the rule states (or implies?) it needs to be on the main account. So if QXC (this is only an example) has 120 wins on his named account but 300 wins on his barcode they, currently, would not sum those. That is no clear in the rule book, but I am going to bet they want it on one account to avoid problems and general cheating. This is a question a progamer should have asked Blizzard when the handbook was released, rather than a fan asking now. No doubt it's an issue if they allow barcode accounts to sum into the total. What is to stop someone from just phoning a friend to log onto their bar code real quick and say that it is him as well? It is a can of worms that should be stopped now, imo. Well, at least this will not be a problem next time My god, Shew used twitter to contact Blizzard about a rule he was unclear about. Such passion.
I'm really good at that twitter game
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Still goes to show how many issues we have in eSports. Maybe what we need is a global Kespa, one that really keeps the players in line. Lord knows that the players and the teams aren't capable of getting their own acts together.
I can see it now:
Global eSports Players Association, or GeSPA for short.
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On January 07 2014 11:26 Bagration wrote: Still goes to show how many issues we have in eSports. Maybe what we need is a global Kespa, one that really keeps the players in line. Lord knows that the players and the teams aren't capable of getting their own acts together.
I can see it now:
Global eSports Players Association, or GeSPA for short.
No, all you really need is an admin who has a little foresight to see these potential issues before the tournament starts, and figure out the answers ahead of time. I've run multi-day tennis tournaments by myself with more players and less issues than this. It's really not that difficult. I would love to get paid to run a WCS tournament.
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Updated the OP with this information. Let me know if you want anything else added.
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I still find this requirement to be kinda ridiculous for NA residents/citizens. It defeats the purpose of allowing barcodes/having one. And, I don't even have one. I'm just saying, if you have around 10k games on a server, do you really need to be subject to a win requirement?
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On January 07 2014 12:13 playa wrote: I still find this requirement to be kinda ridiculous for NA residents/citizens. It defeats the purpose of allowing barcodes/having one. And, I don't even have one. I'm just saying, if you have around 10k games on a server, do you really need to be subject to a win requirement? There are other normal qualifiers. Only the ladder wildcard qualifier requires 200 wins
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On January 07 2014 12:13 playa wrote: I still find this requirement to be kinda ridiculous for NA residents/citizens. It defeats the purpose of allowing barcodes/having one. And, I don't even have one. I'm just saying, if you have around 10k games on a server, do you really need to be subject to a win requirement?
cause they shouldnt count games that took place long ago
should only count games recently (ie this is an alternative to actually "currently residing in America")
you need to be currently playing on the America ladder
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On January 07 2014 11:52 Sherlock117 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 11:26 Bagration wrote: Still goes to show how many issues we have in eSports. Maybe what we need is a global Kespa, one that really keeps the players in line. Lord knows that the players and the teams aren't capable of getting their own acts together.
I can see it now:
Global eSports Players Association, or GeSPA for short. No, all you really need is an admin who has a little foresight to see these potential issues before the tournament starts, and figure out the answers ahead of time. I've run multi-day tennis tournaments by myself with more players and less issues than this. It's really not that difficult. I would love to get paid to run a WCS tournament.
No, that's a one time thing. Look at the last Shoutcraft, where 2 players out of 8 forfeited. Too many of these so-called "pro" players expect to be treated like professionals and celebrities, when they can't even maintain a minimal level of professionalism and self-responsibility. It's starting to get pathetic, and if they aren't going to shape up, or if their team won't force them to shape up, we will need an organization like Kespa.
In which case, you either are a professional player under the association and shape up, or you don't get to be a progamer and compete. Hell, we already have a surplus of players and teams, it wouldn't be a bad thing if the bottom ones were forced out.
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On January 07 2014 12:19 mikumegurine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 12:13 playa wrote: I still find this requirement to be kinda ridiculous for NA residents/citizens. It defeats the purpose of allowing barcodes/having one. And, I don't even have one. I'm just saying, if you have around 10k games on a server, do you really need to be subject to a win requirement? cause they shouldnt count games that took place long ago should only count games recently (ie this is an alternative to actually "currently residing in America") you need to be currently playing on the America ladder
The whole thing is stupid. Who cares where NA players are playing and how many wins they have? There is 0 reason for a NA resident to need as many wins per season as a Korean or even a European resident. O no, QXC only has 180 wins on his non barcode account. Seriously, who cares? If a pro wants to practice on his barcode, why should he have to "give up" his strats due to this stipulation? In the future, players with barcodes who already get more than 200 wins per season will probably say "hey, that's right, this rule is dumb and defeats the purpose of me having a barcode. Thus, I will tank my mmr and just off race/proxy 2 gate a lot."
Koreans can already do the same if they're interested in playing WCS NA. I'm just saying, in the future, this will become such a joke/mockery, that they may as well change the rules into something meaningful/logical.
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Yeah that bothers me with a lot of the NA players, it feels like they want to have their cake and eat it too. We can blame poor infrastructure and other factors all day, but at some point you have to get your shit together and do some actual work. Professional means just that, and with that label comes a certain standard of expectations.
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On January 07 2014 12:28 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 12:19 mikumegurine wrote:On January 07 2014 12:13 playa wrote: I still find this requirement to be kinda ridiculous for NA residents/citizens. It defeats the purpose of allowing barcodes/having one. And, I don't even have one. I'm just saying, if you have around 10k games on a server, do you really need to be subject to a win requirement? cause they shouldnt count games that took place long ago should only count games recently (ie this is an alternative to actually "currently residing in America") you need to be currently playing on the America ladder The whole thing is stupid. Who cares where NA players are playing and how many wins they have? There is 0 reason for a NA resident to need as many wins per season as a Korean or even a European resident. O no, QXC only has 180 wins on his non barcode account. Seriously, who cares? If a pro wants to practice on his barcode, why should he have to "give up" his strats due to this stipulation? In the future, players with barcodes who already get more than 200 wins per season will probably say "hey, that's right, this rule is dumb and defeats the purpose of me having a barcode. Thus, I will tank my mmr and just off race/proxy 2 gate a lot." Koreans can already do the same if they're interested in playing WCS NA. I'm just saying, in the future, this will become such a joke/mockery, that they may as well change the rules into something meaningful/logical.
if you really believe a barcode is gonna protect you on NA/EU i don't know what to say. If you really want to prepare some strats you don't do it on ladder anyway. Most NA "pros" are just jokes when it comes to actual professionalism, and they just don't fail to demonstrate it event after event.
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On January 07 2014 12:28 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 12:19 mikumegurine wrote:On January 07 2014 12:13 playa wrote: I still find this requirement to be kinda ridiculous for NA residents/citizens. It defeats the purpose of allowing barcodes/having one. And, I don't even have one. I'm just saying, if you have around 10k games on a server, do you really need to be subject to a win requirement? cause they shouldnt count games that took place long ago should only count games recently (ie this is an alternative to actually "currently residing in America") you need to be currently playing on the America ladder The whole thing is stupid. Who cares where NA players are playing and how many wins they have? There is 0 reason for a NA resident to need as many wins per season as a Korean or even a European resident. O no, QXC only has 180 wins on his non barcode account. Seriously, who cares? If a pro wants to practice on his barcode, why should he have to "give up" his strats due to this stipulation? In the future, players with barcodes who already get more than 200 wins per season will probably say "hey, that's right, this rule is dumb and defeats the purpose of me having a barcode. Thus, I will tank my mmr and just off race/proxy 2 gate a lot." Koreans can already do the same if they're interested in playing WCS NA. I'm just saying, in the future, this will become such a joke/mockery, that they may as well change the rules into something meaningful/logical. NA players already have three qualifiers to play in that has no requirements other than being a resident of USA/CA/LA and being in masters. If those players don't want to bother with the requirements to participate in the wildcard qualifier than they don't have to. It's an extra qualifier for anyone to play in and has no bearing on where you are from as long as you have 200 wins in that region.
If a 'pro' is serious about trying to qualify for WCS the wildcard is another chance for them. If the rules say 200 wins on your main account then get 200 wins on your main account. Acting like you shouldn't have to do that, or get special treatment because you're from NA just makes you look a bit childish.
As far as I am aware most players didn't have a problem with the 200 wins requirement, just the somewhat short notice of the qualifier date and the ambiguity of what exactly constituted 200 wins.
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On January 07 2014 13:03 Dark.Carnival wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 12:28 playa wrote:On January 07 2014 12:19 mikumegurine wrote:On January 07 2014 12:13 playa wrote: I still find this requirement to be kinda ridiculous for NA residents/citizens. It defeats the purpose of allowing barcodes/having one. And, I don't even have one. I'm just saying, if you have around 10k games on a server, do you really need to be subject to a win requirement? cause they shouldnt count games that took place long ago should only count games recently (ie this is an alternative to actually "currently residing in America") you need to be currently playing on the America ladder The whole thing is stupid. Who cares where NA players are playing and how many wins they have? There is 0 reason for a NA resident to need as many wins per season as a Korean or even a European resident. O no, QXC only has 180 wins on his non barcode account. Seriously, who cares? If a pro wants to practice on his barcode, why should he have to "give up" his strats due to this stipulation? In the future, players with barcodes who already get more than 200 wins per season will probably say "hey, that's right, this rule is dumb and defeats the purpose of me having a barcode. Thus, I will tank my mmr and just off race/proxy 2 gate a lot." Koreans can already do the same if they're interested in playing WCS NA. I'm just saying, in the future, this will become such a joke/mockery, that they may as well change the rules into something meaningful/logical. NA players already have three qualifiers to play in that has no requirements other than being a resident of USA/CA/LA and being in masters. If those players don't want to bother with the requirements to participate in the wildcard qualifier than they don't have to. It's an extra qualifier for anyone to play in and has no bearing on where you are from as long as you have 200 wins in that region. If a 'pro' is serious about trying to qualify for WCS the wildcard is another chance for them. If the rules say 200 wins on your main account then get 200 wins on your main account. Acting like you shouldn't have to do that, or get special treatment because you're from NA just makes you look a bit childish. As far as I am aware most players didn't have a problem with the 200 wins requirement, just the somewhat short notice of the qualifier date and the ambiguity of what exactly constituted 200 wins.
Why do NA players have reserved spots in the first place? Is that not special treatment? Why not make it a minimum win total of 200 in every qualifier? What's so different about this one for NA players? There is 0 difference. If I had 200 wins or not, I'd still feel dirty playing in essentially a NA tournament that precludes the best NA players, simply because they didn't play all of their games on 1 account.
In the future, when everyone is proxy raxing every game to meet a quota that exists for no reason... I'm going to feel the same way. It's not going to change, whether I benefit from it or not.
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cool now i can play in this qualifier, and before i couldn't. haha. ill be able to get 91 more wins to combine for 200 before monday xD
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On January 07 2014 09:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 09:00 NonY wrote:On January 07 2014 08:37 NovaMB wrote:On January 07 2014 08:36 Wintex wrote:On January 07 2014 08:31 SinCitta wrote:On January 07 2014 08:22 NovaMB wrote:On January 07 2014 08:20 mikkmagro wrote: that bracket looks so pathetic (no offence intended to the players actually competing in it)...where are the so-called pros in the American region who have been talking about not having opportunities to compete? Demuslim, Xenocider, Illusion, Kane, hellokitty, hendralisk, minigun, catz, jimrising...... Busy complaining about new maps on twitter. No idea the WCS site lists 200 cumulative wins. I dont know how they couldnt get that, especially with the new maps and everything they needed to get a feel for in the last days Not trying to defend the sloppiness for anyone that does that for a living, but generally for anything SC2 related: Organizers, if you do an open qualifier, make a thread on TL with all the relevant info if there isn't already one. Nobody looks on your shitty websites. If you can't seriously click a link ON ONE SITE. Seriously. It took me 1,5 min to find all the info on NASL.TV. It's not hard. Thorin was so right. It saddens me. #givekoreamoresupportblizzard. The problem is the info on the NASL site is not consistent with the info on the WCS site. Yep. I was checking wcs.battle.net every day before any info was out on WCS 2014. Finally, they came out with this article http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/full-season-1-qualifier-dates-for-wcs-2014 much too late and it originally didn't even have links to register. Even several days after NASL had opened up registration, there still wasn't a link. The article stated that the article would be updated as soon as more info was available so it's giving me the impression that it's the most reliable place for information. I found out from some helpful fans on twitter about the qualifier and I promptly sent an email to esportsteam@blizzard.com telling them they need to update their page. And even when they updated it with a link to registration, they didn't update the fact that there are three qualifiers on three separate days. I couldn't play the qualifier on January 4 and as far as I knew, that was the only one. Why, on January 6, would I click the link to register for a qualifier that was on January 4? That'd be the only way I'd see that there are two more qualifiers on January 9 and 11. Finally now the article is updated with those dates as well, but too late again. It is ridiculous in the first place that WCS's site isn't the best place for finding information on WCS. It should be. But if they want to let the community handle communicating information about WCS, then the WCS site certainly shouldn't pretend to be a good source of information on WCS. They gave the impression that they'd provide all the info I need on qualifiers and I would have missed them all if they were the only resource I used. No offence Nony, but even I knew you needed to get 200 wins on the NA ladder to qualify. And I am by no means a super hardcore fan that watches ever event. The rules may not have been in the best spot, but there is a handbook out there and you have the ability to contact Blizzard or NASL. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who didn't sign up or get enough wins in time. Nothing I said has anything to do with the Wildcard qualifier and the 200 wins on NA requirement.
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Haha, I like how NASL tries to pretend as if the only thing happened were that players were confused about the rules due to the start of the new season, Blizzard updating the rules and them having to reschedule the qualifier and reopen the registration in the first place. No mentioning about how the bracket seeded players who aren't even elligible to participate, about how series were played that are now totally void, about how casters, player and viewers were stalled for several hours without any update.
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On January 07 2014 12:22 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 11:52 Sherlock117 wrote:On January 07 2014 11:26 Bagration wrote: Still goes to show how many issues we have in eSports. Maybe what we need is a global Kespa, one that really keeps the players in line. Lord knows that the players and the teams aren't capable of getting their own acts together.
I can see it now:
Global eSports Players Association, or GeSPA for short. No, all you really need is an admin who has a little foresight to see these potential issues before the tournament starts, and figure out the answers ahead of time. I've run multi-day tennis tournaments by myself with more players and less issues than this. It's really not that difficult. I would love to get paid to run a WCS tournament. No, that's a one time thing. Look at the last Shoutcraft, where 2 players out of 8 forfeited. Too many of these so-called "pro" players expect to be treated like professionals and celebrities, when they can't even maintain a minimal level of professionalism and self-responsibility. It's starting to get pathetic, and if they aren't going to shape up, or if their team won't force them to shape up, we will need an organization like Kespa. In which case, you either are a professional player under the association and shape up, or you don't get to be a progamer and compete. Hell, we already have a surplus of players and teams, it wouldn't be a bad thing if the bottom ones were forced out. I really wonder what the teammanagers are up to? Why don't they get the proper informations in time for their players? I didn't even see Demuslim in the bracket and he is a ladder hero for sure :D Catz didnt even knew about the WC Qualifier until the very day it was played, I mean i even I knew and I am from Germany xD
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On January 07 2014 18:53 JustPassingBy wrote:Haha, I like how NASL tries to pretend as if the only thing happened were that players were confused about the rules due to the start of the new season, Blizzard updating the rules and them having to reschedule the qualifier and reopen the registration in the first place. No mentioning about how the bracket seeded players who aren't even elligible to participate, about how series were played that are now totally void, about how casters, player and viewers were stalled for several hours without any update. I would like to see TL talking about it (as in a news, and not lost in a thread)
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On January 07 2014 20:25 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 18:53 JustPassingBy wrote:Haha, I like how NASL tries to pretend as if the only thing happened were that players were confused about the rules due to the start of the new season, Blizzard updating the rules and them having to reschedule the qualifier and reopen the registration in the first place. No mentioning about how the bracket seeded players who aren't even elligible to participate, about how series were played that are now totally void, about how casters, player and viewers were stalled for several hours without any update. I would like to see TL talking about it (as in a news, and not lost in a thread)
Indeed, surely this must be of huge interest to the community at large?
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Mrbitter is getting interviewed about this today apparently. Prepare for the most loaded fluff you've yet to see this year.
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