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Shew
United States460 Posts
On January 07 2014 10:04 Plansix wrote: My god, Shew used twitter to contact Blizzard about a rule he was unclear about. Such passion. I'm really good at that twitter game | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
I can see it now: Global eSports Players Association, or GeSPA for short. | ||
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Sherlock117
United States40 Posts
On January 07 2014 11:26 Bagration wrote: Still goes to show how many issues we have in eSports. Maybe what we need is a global Kespa, one that really keeps the players in line. Lord knows that the players and the teams aren't capable of getting their own acts together. I can see it now: Global eSports Players Association, or GeSPA for short. No, all you really need is an admin who has a little foresight to see these potential issues before the tournament starts, and figure out the answers ahead of time. I've run multi-day tennis tournaments by myself with more players and less issues than this. It's really not that difficult. I would love to get paid to run a WCS tournament. | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On January 07 2014 11:12 Dark.Carnival wrote: http://nasl.tv/News/Article/20140107wcs-america-season-1-ladder-wildcard-qualifier-update Updated the OP with this information. Let me know if you want anything else added. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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Tamagoshi
Brazil981 Posts
On January 07 2014 12:13 playa wrote: I still find this requirement to be kinda ridiculous for NA residents/citizens. It defeats the purpose of allowing barcodes/having one. And, I don't even have one. I'm just saying, if you have around 10k games on a server, do you really need to be subject to a win requirement? There are other normal qualifiers. Only the ladder wildcard qualifier requires 200 wins | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
On January 07 2014 12:13 playa wrote: I still find this requirement to be kinda ridiculous for NA residents/citizens. It defeats the purpose of allowing barcodes/having one. And, I don't even have one. I'm just saying, if you have around 10k games on a server, do you really need to be subject to a win requirement? cause they shouldnt count games that took place long ago should only count games recently (ie this is an alternative to actually "currently residing in America") you need to be currently playing on the America ladder | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On January 07 2014 11:52 Sherlock117 wrote: No, all you really need is an admin who has a little foresight to see these potential issues before the tournament starts, and figure out the answers ahead of time. I've run multi-day tennis tournaments by myself with more players and less issues than this. It's really not that difficult. I would love to get paid to run a WCS tournament. No, that's a one time thing. Look at the last Shoutcraft, where 2 players out of 8 forfeited. Too many of these so-called "pro" players expect to be treated like professionals and celebrities, when they can't even maintain a minimal level of professionalism and self-responsibility. It's starting to get pathetic, and if they aren't going to shape up, or if their team won't force them to shape up, we will need an organization like Kespa. In which case, you either are a professional player under the association and shape up, or you don't get to be a progamer and compete. Hell, we already have a surplus of players and teams, it wouldn't be a bad thing if the bottom ones were forced out. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 07 2014 12:19 mikumegurine wrote: cause they shouldnt count games that took place long ago should only count games recently (ie this is an alternative to actually "currently residing in America") you need to be currently playing on the America ladder The whole thing is stupid. Who cares where NA players are playing and how many wins they have? There is 0 reason for a NA resident to need as many wins per season as a Korean or even a European resident. O no, QXC only has 180 wins on his non barcode account. Seriously, who cares? If a pro wants to practice on his barcode, why should he have to "give up" his strats due to this stipulation? In the future, players with barcodes who already get more than 200 wins per season will probably say "hey, that's right, this rule is dumb and defeats the purpose of me having a barcode. Thus, I will tank my mmr and just off race/proxy 2 gate a lot." Koreans can already do the same if they're interested in playing WCS NA. I'm just saying, in the future, this will become such a joke/mockery, that they may as well change the rules into something meaningful/logical. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 07 2014 12:28 playa wrote: The whole thing is stupid. Who cares where NA players are playing and how many wins they have? There is 0 reason for a NA resident to need as many wins per season as a Korean or even a European resident. O no, QXC only has 180 wins on his non barcode account. Seriously, who cares? If a pro wants to practice on his barcode, why should he have to "give up" his strats due to this stipulation? In the future, players with barcodes who already get more than 200 wins per season will probably say "hey, that's right, this rule is dumb and defeats the purpose of me having a barcode. Thus, I will tank my mmr and just off race/proxy 2 gate a lot." Koreans can already do the same if they're interested in playing WCS NA. I'm just saying, in the future, this will become such a joke/mockery, that they may as well change the rules into something meaningful/logical. if you really believe a barcode is gonna protect you on NA/EU i don't know what to say. If you really want to prepare some strats you don't do it on ladder anyway. Most NA "pros" are just jokes when it comes to actual professionalism, and they just don't fail to demonstrate it event after event. | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
On January 07 2014 12:28 playa wrote: The whole thing is stupid. Who cares where NA players are playing and how many wins they have? There is 0 reason for a NA resident to need as many wins per season as a Korean or even a European resident. O no, QXC only has 180 wins on his non barcode account. Seriously, who cares? If a pro wants to practice on his barcode, why should he have to "give up" his strats due to this stipulation? In the future, players with barcodes who already get more than 200 wins per season will probably say "hey, that's right, this rule is dumb and defeats the purpose of me having a barcode. Thus, I will tank my mmr and just off race/proxy 2 gate a lot." Koreans can already do the same if they're interested in playing WCS NA. I'm just saying, in the future, this will become such a joke/mockery, that they may as well change the rules into something meaningful/logical. NA players already have three qualifiers to play in that has no requirements other than being a resident of USA/CA/LA and being in masters. If those players don't want to bother with the requirements to participate in the wildcard qualifier than they don't have to. It's an extra qualifier for anyone to play in and has no bearing on where you are from as long as you have 200 wins in that region. If a 'pro' is serious about trying to qualify for WCS the wildcard is another chance for them. If the rules say 200 wins on your main account then get 200 wins on your main account. Acting like you shouldn't have to do that, or get special treatment because you're from NA just makes you look a bit childish. As far as I am aware most players didn't have a problem with the 200 wins requirement, just the somewhat short notice of the qualifier date and the ambiguity of what exactly constituted 200 wins. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 07 2014 13:03 Dark.Carnival wrote: NA players already have three qualifiers to play in that has no requirements other than being a resident of USA/CA/LA and being in masters. If those players don't want to bother with the requirements to participate in the wildcard qualifier than they don't have to. It's an extra qualifier for anyone to play in and has no bearing on where you are from as long as you have 200 wins in that region. If a 'pro' is serious about trying to qualify for WCS the wildcard is another chance for them. If the rules say 200 wins on your main account then get 200 wins on your main account. Acting like you shouldn't have to do that, or get special treatment because you're from NA just makes you look a bit childish. As far as I am aware most players didn't have a problem with the 200 wins requirement, just the somewhat short notice of the qualifier date and the ambiguity of what exactly constituted 200 wins. Why do NA players have reserved spots in the first place? Is that not special treatment? Why not make it a minimum win total of 200 in every qualifier? What's so different about this one for NA players? There is 0 difference. If I had 200 wins or not, I'd still feel dirty playing in essentially a NA tournament that precludes the best NA players, simply because they didn't play all of their games on 1 account. In the future, when everyone is proxy raxing every game to meet a quota that exists for no reason... I'm going to feel the same way. It's not going to change, whether I benefit from it or not. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1927 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On January 07 2014 09:06 Plansix wrote: No offence Nony, but even I knew you needed to get 200 wins on the NA ladder to qualify. And I am by no means a super hardcore fan that watches ever event. The rules may not have been in the best spot, but there is a handbook out there and you have the ability to contact Blizzard or NASL. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who didn't sign up or get enough wins in time. Nothing I said has anything to do with the Wildcard qualifier and the 200 wins on NA requirement. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On January 07 2014 11:12 Dark.Carnival wrote: http://nasl.tv/News/Article/20140107wcs-america-season-1-ladder-wildcard-qualifier-update Haha, I like how NASL tries to pretend as if the only thing happened were that players were confused about the rules due to the start of the new season, Blizzard updating the rules and them having to reschedule the qualifier and reopen the registration in the first place. No mentioning about how the bracket seeded players who aren't even elligible to participate, about how series were played that are now totally void, about how casters, player and viewers were stalled for several hours without any update. | ||
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Niko_Thien
Germany2671 Posts
On January 07 2014 12:22 Bagration wrote: No, that's a one time thing. Look at the last Shoutcraft, where 2 players out of 8 forfeited. Too many of these so-called "pro" players expect to be treated like professionals and celebrities, when they can't even maintain a minimal level of professionalism and self-responsibility. It's starting to get pathetic, and if they aren't going to shape up, or if their team won't force them to shape up, we will need an organization like Kespa. In which case, you either are a professional player under the association and shape up, or you don't get to be a progamer and compete. Hell, we already have a surplus of players and teams, it wouldn't be a bad thing if the bottom ones were forced out. I really wonder what the teammanagers are up to? Why don't they get the proper informations in time for their players? I didn't even see Demuslim in the bracket and he is a ladder hero for sure :D Catz didnt even knew about the WC Qualifier until the very day it was played, I mean i even I knew and I am from Germany xD | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On January 07 2014 18:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Haha, I like how NASL tries to pretend as if the only thing happened were that players were confused about the rules due to the start of the new season, Blizzard updating the rules and them having to reschedule the qualifier and reopen the registration in the first place. No mentioning about how the bracket seeded players who aren't even elligible to participate, about how series were played that are now totally void, about how casters, player and viewers were stalled for several hours without any update. I would like to see TL talking about it (as in a news, and not lost in a thread) | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On January 07 2014 20:25 Yhamm wrote: I would like to see TL talking about it (as in a news, and not lost in a thread) Indeed, surely this must be of huge interest to the community at large? | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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