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On December 22 2013 10:31 Snusmumriken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 10:24 Zealously wrote:On December 22 2013 10:21 goody153 wrote:On December 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2013 10:03 OutlaW- wrote:On December 22 2013 10:01 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Honestly, I think fixing the game won’t satisfy everyone anyway. Hmm. So I think the key is to not get stressed too much. Let’s play with an optimistic mind. This is my answer ㅋㅋㅋ. Even I’m getting stressed at PvP these days. I’ve changed my mindset to “if it’s not going to be patched anyway, I’ll try to find the answer myself”. ㅋㅋ.
SourceFrom a recent interview by Dear. I wish more people looked at the game like this. Starcraft has many factors to being good then just playing many games, mindset is one of the hugest factors. Mindset? Kas had a shitty mindset? Did you have to endure what he did? Did you play the game 30-40 games every day? Were you known as the happy guy who always laughed and had a great mindset, beating many patchzergs when nobody expected him to? Were you finally crushed by despair so much that you would publicly do something like this? No. So please, stop commenting on things you don't understand. On December 22 2013 10:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This is about the worst way to go out. I disagree. Champions don't quit. Did Jaedong quit when he was having trouble with protoss? Has Bogus quit or Flash? Did Parting quit when he was losing for months at a time? People who have terrible mindsets throw hissy fits on twitter and blame DK for their losses. Like Idra did. lol yeah bogus and flash did not quit .. but they are having a rough time .. just look at their previous interviews .. flash even considered switching to protoss once .. Indeed, but was that not because he felt that Protoss can play a defensive style more like the one he played in Brood War, rather than due to any imbalances at the time? No he thought protoss was op as fuck, he said forcefields were op warpgate were op etc. etc. lol
I call bs on that. I am quite sure I read that interview a few months ago. It was more that he felt Protoss suited his preferred play style more, and that he was staying with Terran more for the fans (IIRC). Do you have a link to your claims?
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On December 22 2013 10:07 GTPGlitch wrote:
I love all these people claiming that kas hasn't been relevant for a long time - he's as relevant as a foreign terran can be. Hell, he 2-0'd Hyun, 3-1'd Burning, and went 1-2 against Innovation just this month. He and Happy are literally the only foreign terrans that have good recent results, esp. against koreans....
"As relevant as a foreign terran can be" really isn't relevant enough  . I'm surprised more pro-gamers aren't retiring. I could think of a dozen who haven't posted any meaningful results in a long time but I wouldn't want to name them. I guess their teams still pay them a decent salary for some reason and as long as they have that they can continue to enjoy playing (assuming they actually enjoy playing).
At some point though, if things keep going this way I would be surprised to see any foreigner teams (with *actual* foreigners) remaining after a year or so. But then again I'm pretty surprised there are so many foreigners still playing.
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Korea (South)1936 Posts
This isn't the way to go out but it's perfectly understandable
Imagine it from Kas's point of view
One of the top foreign Terrans, no one ever gives them any respect
HoTS comes out. Terrans do well, especially TvZ. Maybe he has a chance. He practices 30+ games a day, everyday
MU's start to get evened out, Zergs learn how to deal with mines, no longer an easy win now
Protoss learn how to abuse the MSC, early game timings don't really work anymore
He still keeps playing
Buffs after buffs for other races, nerfs for Terran (warranted? who knows). Overseer buff makes TvZ much more manageable for Zerg. Very even and skill based MU, despite it being very similar from game to game. TvP is still frustratingly hard cause of the lack of options. Probably is thinking he should go and innovate cause that's what forum heroes are telling him.
DK posts - "Hey, we're going to nerf mines, increase the power of the Protoss early game, and give Terran some stuff that no one asked for, tanks can fire faster!!!" - gives logic that makes no sense whatsoever and everyone knows how hard the patch will fall on its face.
Blizzcon: DK says casuals can't understand what micro looks like, will focus on making replicator for LotV cause that's the real issue with the game.
Why would any pro want to stay with this game? Why do you think every player (korean too) calls David Kim the true SC2 bonjwa? It's gotten to the point where his/his team's decisions make no logical sense and does harm to the game. Everyone wants to play as many tournaments as possible now cause who the hell knows what kind of decision is going to come next patch. Maybe Warhounds will come back and shoot banelings. Maybe marines will get a buff to +100 HP to increase the viability of late game Terran. If you look at how BW was handled, Blizzard lucked into a stupid number of stuff to make that successful, and they were completely hands off after the first year or two. It then slowly evolved into something that people STILL play now.
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Korea (South)1936 Posts
On December 22 2013 10:35 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 10:31 Snusmumriken wrote:On December 22 2013 10:24 Zealously wrote:On December 22 2013 10:21 goody153 wrote:On December 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2013 10:03 OutlaW- wrote:On December 22 2013 10:01 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Honestly, I think fixing the game won’t satisfy everyone anyway. Hmm. So I think the key is to not get stressed too much. Let’s play with an optimistic mind. This is my answer ㅋㅋㅋ. Even I’m getting stressed at PvP these days. I’ve changed my mindset to “if it’s not going to be patched anyway, I’ll try to find the answer myself”. ㅋㅋ.
SourceFrom a recent interview by Dear. I wish more people looked at the game like this. Starcraft has many factors to being good then just playing many games, mindset is one of the hugest factors. Mindset? Kas had a shitty mindset? Did you have to endure what he did? Did you play the game 30-40 games every day? Were you known as the happy guy who always laughed and had a great mindset, beating many patchzergs when nobody expected him to? Were you finally crushed by despair so much that you would publicly do something like this? No. So please, stop commenting on things you don't understand. On December 22 2013 10:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This is about the worst way to go out. I disagree. Champions don't quit. Did Jaedong quit when he was having trouble with protoss? Has Bogus quit or Flash? Did Parting quit when he was losing for months at a time? People who have terrible mindsets throw hissy fits on twitter and blame DK for their losses. Like Idra did. lol yeah bogus and flash did not quit .. but they are having a rough time .. just look at their previous interviews .. flash even considered switching to protoss once .. Indeed, but was that not because he felt that Protoss can play a defensive style more like the one he played in Brood War, rather than due to any imbalances at the time? No he thought protoss was op as fuck, he said forcefields were op warpgate were op etc. etc. lol I call bs on that. I am quite sure I read that interview a few months ago. It was more that he felt Protoss suited his preferred play style more, and that he was staying with Terran more for the fans (IIRC). Do you have a link to your claims?
That's total BS. Flash wanted to play Protoss cause it fit his playstyle more.
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United States97276 Posts
On December 22 2013 10:39 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 10:35 aZealot wrote:On December 22 2013 10:31 Snusmumriken wrote:On December 22 2013 10:24 Zealously wrote:On December 22 2013 10:21 goody153 wrote:On December 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2013 10:03 OutlaW- wrote:On December 22 2013 10:01 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Honestly, I think fixing the game won’t satisfy everyone anyway. Hmm. So I think the key is to not get stressed too much. Let’s play with an optimistic mind. This is my answer ㅋㅋㅋ. Even I’m getting stressed at PvP these days. I’ve changed my mindset to “if it’s not going to be patched anyway, I’ll try to find the answer myself”. ㅋㅋ.
SourceFrom a recent interview by Dear. I wish more people looked at the game like this. Starcraft has many factors to being good then just playing many games, mindset is one of the hugest factors. Mindset? Kas had a shitty mindset? Did you have to endure what he did? Did you play the game 30-40 games every day? Were you known as the happy guy who always laughed and had a great mindset, beating many patchzergs when nobody expected him to? Were you finally crushed by despair so much that you would publicly do something like this? No. So please, stop commenting on things you don't understand. On December 22 2013 10:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This is about the worst way to go out. I disagree. Champions don't quit. Did Jaedong quit when he was having trouble with protoss? Has Bogus quit or Flash? Did Parting quit when he was losing for months at a time? People who have terrible mindsets throw hissy fits on twitter and blame DK for their losses. Like Idra did. lol yeah bogus and flash did not quit .. but they are having a rough time .. just look at their previous interviews .. flash even considered switching to protoss once .. Indeed, but was that not because he felt that Protoss can play a defensive style more like the one he played in Brood War, rather than due to any imbalances at the time? No he thought protoss was op as fuck, he said forcefields were op warpgate were op etc. etc. lol I call bs on that. I am quite sure I read that interview a few months ago. It was more that he felt Protoss suited his preferred play style more, and that he was staying with Terran more for the fans (IIRC). Do you have a link to your claims? That's total BS. Flash wanted to play Protoss cause it fit his playstyle more.
Isn't that what he said? or were you responding to the guy he quoted?
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On December 22 2013 10:40 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 10:39 Chaggi wrote:On December 22 2013 10:35 aZealot wrote:On December 22 2013 10:31 Snusmumriken wrote:On December 22 2013 10:24 Zealously wrote:On December 22 2013 10:21 goody153 wrote:On December 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2013 10:03 OutlaW- wrote:On December 22 2013 10:01 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Honestly, I think fixing the game won’t satisfy everyone anyway. Hmm. So I think the key is to not get stressed too much. Let’s play with an optimistic mind. This is my answer ㅋㅋㅋ. Even I’m getting stressed at PvP these days. I’ve changed my mindset to “if it’s not going to be patched anyway, I’ll try to find the answer myself”. ㅋㅋ.
SourceFrom a recent interview by Dear. I wish more people looked at the game like this. Starcraft has many factors to being good then just playing many games, mindset is one of the hugest factors. Mindset? Kas had a shitty mindset? Did you have to endure what he did? Did you play the game 30-40 games every day? Were you known as the happy guy who always laughed and had a great mindset, beating many patchzergs when nobody expected him to? Were you finally crushed by despair so much that you would publicly do something like this? No. So please, stop commenting on things you don't understand. On December 22 2013 10:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This is about the worst way to go out. I disagree. Champions don't quit. Did Jaedong quit when he was having trouble with protoss? Has Bogus quit or Flash? Did Parting quit when he was losing for months at a time? People who have terrible mindsets throw hissy fits on twitter and blame DK for their losses. Like Idra did. lol yeah bogus and flash did not quit .. but they are having a rough time .. just look at their previous interviews .. flash even considered switching to protoss once .. Indeed, but was that not because he felt that Protoss can play a defensive style more like the one he played in Brood War, rather than due to any imbalances at the time? No he thought protoss was op as fuck, he said forcefields were op warpgate were op etc. etc. lol I call bs on that. I am quite sure I read that interview a few months ago. It was more that he felt Protoss suited his preferred play style more, and that he was staying with Terran more for the fans (IIRC). Do you have a link to your claims? That's total BS. Flash wanted to play Protoss cause it fit his playstyle more. Isn't that what he said? or were you responding to the guy he quoted?
I believe he was affirming that Snusmumriken's claim was total BS.
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he's been like this since he started playing and terran started losing in SC2 in WoL.
don't know why people are suddenly offended that he's gonna stop playing the game after 2 years of legitimately feeling bad about it.
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I don't follow a lot of foreign SC, but I know a lot of BW's best foreign Terrans were Russians. Kas being a Russkie, this is sadder than it should be.
On December 22 2013 10:18 Ammanas wrote:And do you really believe that they are just straight up better players then any other race players?
Yes. When Protoss takes the same level of multitasking game in and game out and their pros are still able to deliver consistent results the way Inno, Taeja, Bomber, and Maru do, then I'll say Protoss pros are on the exact same level. Until then -- color me not terribly impressed. It's not their fault the race doesn't encourage that kind of play so strongly, but it doesn't mean I have to get overhyped about the amount of skill it takes to Psi Storm a bioball, which is basically the same amount of skill it used to take to Fungal a bioball, which everyone agreed was very, very little.
The most impressive micro/multitasking tricks a Protoss has to pull off are Feedback - which is a little bit more impressive than Snipe, because they have to use it to counter drops - and in 1/10 games, Stalker blink micro, which is the same as the kind of splitting every single Terran has to do in every single game against Zerg ever. If the Protoss is Rain or First, they might be into Zealot warp ins, too. I get excited about Zealot warp ins. That's how much multitasking Protoss takes. I get genuinely excited about seeing Zealot warp ins.
Zerg who can consistently go toe-to-toe with Terrans in macro slugfests are bad-asses, though, there's no denying that. DRG, Life, Jaedong. Can't remember if Soulkey ever did a particularly impressive macro series. He beat Inno with mostly cheese, and he got dismantled by Maru in WCG KR. Neither Bomber nor Maru really pushed him to his limits at Asus Rog since they both favored mech. I could certainly be forgetting something.
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Korea (South)1936 Posts
On December 22 2013 10:46 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 10:18 Ammanas wrote:And do you really believe that they are just straight up better players then any other race players? Yes. When Protoss takes the same level of multitasking game in and game out and their pros are still able to deliver consistent results the way Inno, Taeja, Bomber, and Maru do, then I'll say Protoss pros are on the exact same level. Until then -- color me not terribly impressed. It's not their fault the race doesn't encourage that kind of play so strongly, but it doesn't mean I have to get overhyped about the amount of skill it takes to Psi Storm a bioball, which is basically the same amount of skill it used to take to Fungal a bioball, which everyone agreed was very, very little. The most impressive micro/multitasking tricks a Protoss has to pull off are Feedback - which is a little bit more impressive than Snipe, because they have to use it to counter drops - and in 1/10 games, Stalker blink micro, which is the same as the kind of splitting every single Terran has to do in every single game against Zerg ever. If the Protoss is Rain or First, they might be into Zealot warp ins, too. I get excited about Zealot warp ins. That's how much multitasking Protoss takes. I get genuinely excited about seeing Zealot warp ins. Zerg who can consistently go toe-to-toe with Terrans in macro slugfests are bad-asses, though, there's no denying that. DRG, Life, Jaedong. Can't remember if Soulkey ever did a particularly impressive macro series. He beat Inno with mostly cheese, and he got dismantled by Maru in WCG KR. Neither Bomber nor Maru really pushed him to his limits at Asus Rog since they both favored mech. I could certainly be forgetting something.
I don't remember the more recent games when Soulkey vs Innovation, but way back at the start of the year, Innovation was really just that good. I think people forgot how dominating he was against Zerg, and that was before Zergs really figured out how to abuse and avoid mines.
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On December 22 2013 10:35 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 10:31 Snusmumriken wrote:On December 22 2013 10:24 Zealously wrote:On December 22 2013 10:21 goody153 wrote:On December 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2013 10:03 OutlaW- wrote:On December 22 2013 10:01 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Honestly, I think fixing the game won’t satisfy everyone anyway. Hmm. So I think the key is to not get stressed too much. Let’s play with an optimistic mind. This is my answer ㅋㅋㅋ. Even I’m getting stressed at PvP these days. I’ve changed my mindset to “if it’s not going to be patched anyway, I’ll try to find the answer myself”. ㅋㅋ.
SourceFrom a recent interview by Dear. I wish more people looked at the game like this. Starcraft has many factors to being good then just playing many games, mindset is one of the hugest factors. Mindset? Kas had a shitty mindset? Did you have to endure what he did? Did you play the game 30-40 games every day? Were you known as the happy guy who always laughed and had a great mindset, beating many patchzergs when nobody expected him to? Were you finally crushed by despair so much that you would publicly do something like this? No. So please, stop commenting on things you don't understand. On December 22 2013 10:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This is about the worst way to go out. I disagree. Champions don't quit. Did Jaedong quit when he was having trouble with protoss? Has Bogus quit or Flash? Did Parting quit when he was losing for months at a time? People who have terrible mindsets throw hissy fits on twitter and blame DK for their losses. Like Idra did. lol yeah bogus and flash did not quit .. but they are having a rough time .. just look at their previous interviews .. flash even considered switching to protoss once .. Indeed, but was that not because he felt that Protoss can play a defensive style more like the one he played in Brood War, rather than due to any imbalances at the time? No he thought protoss was op as fuck, he said forcefields were op warpgate were op etc. etc. lol I call bs on that. I am quite sure I read that interview a few months ago. It was more that he felt Protoss suited his preferred play style more, and that he was staying with Terran more for the fans (IIRC). Do you have a link to your claims?
Actually its not bs at all. If you look at interviews from when he had recently started playing sc2 professionally, he said protoss was op in many ways in his opinion. Later on he said he "regretted not choosing protoss (something he considered)" when he switched. While he may no longer consider protoss op and that it just fits hist style more, he referred back to a time in which he did consider the race op.
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I'm curious- is there anybody here that was around the early days of the Brood War era, that saw a race be considered OP for some time, before the other race(s) caught on? I don't know how dominant 3 Hatch Muta actually was in its early days, but I've heard some hyperbole about it having been unbeatable.
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On December 22 2013 10:46 pure.Wasted wrote:I don't follow a lot of foreign SC, but I know a lot of BW's best foreign Terrans were Russians. Kas being a Russkie, this is sadder than it should be. Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 10:18 Ammanas wrote:And do you really believe that they are just straight up better players then any other race players? Yes. When Protoss takes the same level of multitasking game in and game out and their pros are still able to deliver consistent results the way Inno, Taeja, Bomber, and Maru do, then I'll say Protoss pros are on the exact same level. Until then -- color me not terribly impressed. It's not their fault the race doesn't encourage that kind of play so strongly, but it doesn't mean I have to get overhyped about the amount of skill it takes to Psi Storm a bioball, which is basically the same amount of skill it used to take to Fungal a bioball, which everyone agreed was very, very little. The most impressive micro/multitasking tricks a Protoss has to pull off are Feedback - which is a little bit more impressive than Snipe, because they have to use it to counter drops - and in 1/10 games, Stalker blink micro, which is the same as the kind of splitting every single Terran has to do in every single game against Zerg ever. If the Protoss is Rain or First, they might be into Zealot warp ins, too. I get excited about Zealot warp ins. That's how much multitasking Protoss takes. I get genuinely excited about seeing Zealot warp ins. Zerg who can consistently go toe-to-toe with Terrans in macro slugfests are bad-asses, though, there's no denying that. DRG, Life, Jaedong. Can't remember if Soulkey ever did a particularly impressive macro series. He beat Inno with mostly cheese, and he got dismantled by Maru in WCG KR. Neither Bomber nor Maru really pushed him to his limits at Asus Rog since they both favored mech. I could certainly be forgetting something.
so we are basically back 2 years ago, still with the same argument:
'all protoss are scrubs who don't know how to play and the only reason terran master race is actually losing is because they are severely underpowered.'
Oh, but instead of 'they should learn to play' at the end, now people mostly add 'It's not their fault the race is stupid'.
Basically Idra level - apologize for playing that race.
...nice
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On December 22 2013 10:52 Snusmumriken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 10:35 aZealot wrote:On December 22 2013 10:31 Snusmumriken wrote:On December 22 2013 10:24 Zealously wrote:On December 22 2013 10:21 goody153 wrote:On December 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2013 10:03 OutlaW- wrote:On December 22 2013 10:01 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Honestly, I think fixing the game won’t satisfy everyone anyway. Hmm. So I think the key is to not get stressed too much. Let’s play with an optimistic mind. This is my answer ㅋㅋㅋ. Even I’m getting stressed at PvP these days. I’ve changed my mindset to “if it’s not going to be patched anyway, I’ll try to find the answer myself”. ㅋㅋ.
SourceFrom a recent interview by Dear. I wish more people looked at the game like this. Starcraft has many factors to being good then just playing many games, mindset is one of the hugest factors. Mindset? Kas had a shitty mindset? Did you have to endure what he did? Did you play the game 30-40 games every day? Were you known as the happy guy who always laughed and had a great mindset, beating many patchzergs when nobody expected him to? Were you finally crushed by despair so much that you would publicly do something like this? No. So please, stop commenting on things you don't understand. On December 22 2013 10:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This is about the worst way to go out. I disagree. Champions don't quit. Did Jaedong quit when he was having trouble with protoss? Has Bogus quit or Flash? Did Parting quit when he was losing for months at a time? People who have terrible mindsets throw hissy fits on twitter and blame DK for their losses. Like Idra did. lol yeah bogus and flash did not quit .. but they are having a rough time .. just look at their previous interviews .. flash even considered switching to protoss once .. Indeed, but was that not because he felt that Protoss can play a defensive style more like the one he played in Brood War, rather than due to any imbalances at the time? No he thought protoss was op as fuck, he said forcefields were op warpgate were op etc. etc. lol I call bs on that. I am quite sure I read that interview a few months ago. It was more that he felt Protoss suited his preferred play style more, and that he was staying with Terran more for the fans (IIRC). Do you have a link to your claims? Actually its not bs at all. If you look at interviews from when he had recently started playing sc2 professionally, he said protoss was op in many ways in his opinion. Later on he said he "regretted not choosing protoss (something he considered)" when he switched. While he may no longer consider protoss op and that it just fits hist style more, he referred back to a time in which he did consider the race op.
Can you provide a link to that interview like people requested? Because I read it and he didn't say that at all from what I remember.
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On December 22 2013 07:45 WetSocks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 07:44 blade55555 wrote:
Wait am I wrong but didn't he retire awhile ago? Nope I think that's Beastyqt
Indeed it was. Craziest part about Kas is a year ago, more or less, he was considered to be the world's best Non-Korean Terran. With the RSL he faced off against leenock (considered the strongest Korean player and the strongest zerg in the world) in a Best of 9 series that made it to the final game, and I believe he (Kas) lost the final game. I was casting in Chinese, so that's how I remember.  (
Honestly, one of my favorite foreign terrans.
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It's really becoming easier and easier to be a top 3 foreign terran....... cause there's only about 3 left.
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Korea (South)1936 Posts
On December 22 2013 10:53 Ammanas wrote:
so we are basically back 2 years ago, still with the same argument:
'all protoss are scrubs who don't know how to play and the only reason terran master race is actually losing is because they are severely underpowered.'
Oh, but instead of 'they should learn to play' at the end, now people mostly add 'It's not their fault the race is stupid'.
Basically Idra level - apologize for playing that race.
...nice
There's a big difference between Idra level whine and the problems with TvP now. If you go to TheDwf's posting history and check his posts, he links and references a lot of pro games that show the limited option that Terran has in the early game to Protoss, which can spiral out of control.
Idra complained about everything, even when it was infestor/broodlord and every other zerg was having success.
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On December 22 2013 10:52 Snusmumriken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 10:35 aZealot wrote:On December 22 2013 10:31 Snusmumriken wrote:On December 22 2013 10:24 Zealously wrote:On December 22 2013 10:21 goody153 wrote:On December 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2013 10:03 OutlaW- wrote:On December 22 2013 10:01 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Honestly, I think fixing the game won’t satisfy everyone anyway. Hmm. So I think the key is to not get stressed too much. Let’s play with an optimistic mind. This is my answer ㅋㅋㅋ. Even I’m getting stressed at PvP these days. I’ve changed my mindset to “if it’s not going to be patched anyway, I’ll try to find the answer myself”. ㅋㅋ.
SourceFrom a recent interview by Dear. I wish more people looked at the game like this. Starcraft has many factors to being good then just playing many games, mindset is one of the hugest factors. Mindset? Kas had a shitty mindset? Did you have to endure what he did? Did you play the game 30-40 games every day? Were you known as the happy guy who always laughed and had a great mindset, beating many patchzergs when nobody expected him to? Were you finally crushed by despair so much that you would publicly do something like this? No. So please, stop commenting on things you don't understand. On December 22 2013 10:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This is about the worst way to go out. I disagree. Champions don't quit. Did Jaedong quit when he was having trouble with protoss? Has Bogus quit or Flash? Did Parting quit when he was losing for months at a time? People who have terrible mindsets throw hissy fits on twitter and blame DK for their losses. Like Idra did. lol yeah bogus and flash did not quit .. but they are having a rough time .. just look at their previous interviews .. flash even considered switching to protoss once .. Indeed, but was that not because he felt that Protoss can play a defensive style more like the one he played in Brood War, rather than due to any imbalances at the time? No he thought protoss was op as fuck, he said forcefields were op warpgate were op etc. etc. lol I call bs on that. I am quite sure I read that interview a few months ago. It was more that he felt Protoss suited his preferred play style more, and that he was staying with Terran more for the fans (IIRC). Do you have a link to your claims? Actually its not bs at all. If you look at interviews from when he had recently started playing sc2 professionally, he said protoss was op in many ways in his opinion. Later on he said he "regretted not choosing protoss (something he considered)" when he switched. While he may no longer consider protoss op and that it just fits hist style more, he referred back to a time in which he did consider the race op.
Pros call other races OP all the time. There is nothing special about that. What I was, and still am, calling BS is your statements about Flash calling FF and WG being OP etc, and he wanted to switch because he thought Protoss was OP and not because he thought he suited his defensive play style. Sounds to me like you don't remember the interview well (if we are speaking of the same one a couple of months ago) and are putting your words into his mouth.
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On December 22 2013 10:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 10:52 Snusmumriken wrote:On December 22 2013 10:35 aZealot wrote:On December 22 2013 10:31 Snusmumriken wrote:On December 22 2013 10:24 Zealously wrote:On December 22 2013 10:21 goody153 wrote:On December 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2013 10:03 OutlaW- wrote:On December 22 2013 10:01 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Honestly, I think fixing the game won’t satisfy everyone anyway. Hmm. So I think the key is to not get stressed too much. Let’s play with an optimistic mind. This is my answer ㅋㅋㅋ. Even I’m getting stressed at PvP these days. I’ve changed my mindset to “if it’s not going to be patched anyway, I’ll try to find the answer myself”. ㅋㅋ.
SourceFrom a recent interview by Dear. I wish more people looked at the game like this. Starcraft has many factors to being good then just playing many games, mindset is one of the hugest factors. Mindset? Kas had a shitty mindset? Did you have to endure what he did? Did you play the game 30-40 games every day? Were you known as the happy guy who always laughed and had a great mindset, beating many patchzergs when nobody expected him to? Were you finally crushed by despair so much that you would publicly do something like this? No. So please, stop commenting on things you don't understand. On December 22 2013 10:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This is about the worst way to go out. I disagree. Champions don't quit. Did Jaedong quit when he was having trouble with protoss? Has Bogus quit or Flash? Did Parting quit when he was losing for months at a time? People who have terrible mindsets throw hissy fits on twitter and blame DK for their losses. Like Idra did. lol yeah bogus and flash did not quit .. but they are having a rough time .. just look at their previous interviews .. flash even considered switching to protoss once .. Indeed, but was that not because he felt that Protoss can play a defensive style more like the one he played in Brood War, rather than due to any imbalances at the time? No he thought protoss was op as fuck, he said forcefields were op warpgate were op etc. etc. lol I call bs on that. I am quite sure I read that interview a few months ago. It was more that he felt Protoss suited his preferred play style more, and that he was staying with Terran more for the fans (IIRC). Do you have a link to your claims? Actually its not bs at all. If you look at interviews from when he had recently started playing sc2 professionally, he said protoss was op in many ways in his opinion. Later on he said he "regretted not choosing protoss (something he considered)" when he switched. While he may no longer consider protoss op and that it just fits hist style more, he referred back to a time in which he did consider the race op. Can you provide a link to that interview like people requested? Because I read it and he didn't say that at all from what I remember.
Look it up yourself. If you disagree then im obviously right ^^
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On December 22 2013 10:38 Chaggi wrote:
Why would any pro want to stay with this game? Why do you think every player (korean too) calls David Kim the true SC2 bonjwa? It's gotten to the point where his/his team's decisions make no logical sense and does harm to the game. Everyone wants to play as many tournaments as possible now cause who the hell knows what kind of decision is going to come next patch. Maybe Warhounds will come back and shoot banelings. Maybe marines will get a buff to +100 HP to increase the viability of late game Terran. If you look at how BW was handled, Blizzard lucked into a stupid number of stuff to make that successful, and they were completely hands off after the first year or two. It then slowly evolved into something that people STILL play now.
I've been saying for a long while that the best Blizzard is a distant un-involved Blizzard. But then, you get players (ladder heroes and pros) whining about a match-up when something new comes up. Then Blizzard put out a patch, and they whine some more. Basically, no-one will ever be happy with the state of the game. There is always something to cry about.
This is not to trivialize Terran, at the current time, btw (Protoss may well require a tweak and nerf to the MSC/Nexus Cannon and Oracle). More a general comment on the larger hysteria that goes on in SC2 when it comes to balance and design.
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On December 22 2013 11:01 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 10:52 Snusmumriken wrote:On December 22 2013 10:35 aZealot wrote:On December 22 2013 10:31 Snusmumriken wrote:On December 22 2013 10:24 Zealously wrote:On December 22 2013 10:21 goody153 wrote:On December 22 2013 10:09 Plansix wrote:On December 22 2013 10:03 OutlaW- wrote:On December 22 2013 10:01 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Honestly, I think fixing the game won’t satisfy everyone anyway. Hmm. So I think the key is to not get stressed too much. Let’s play with an optimistic mind. This is my answer ㅋㅋㅋ. Even I’m getting stressed at PvP these days. I’ve changed my mindset to “if it’s not going to be patched anyway, I’ll try to find the answer myself”. ㅋㅋ.
SourceFrom a recent interview by Dear. I wish more people looked at the game like this. Starcraft has many factors to being good then just playing many games, mindset is one of the hugest factors. Mindset? Kas had a shitty mindset? Did you have to endure what he did? Did you play the game 30-40 games every day? Were you known as the happy guy who always laughed and had a great mindset, beating many patchzergs when nobody expected him to? Were you finally crushed by despair so much that you would publicly do something like this? No. So please, stop commenting on things you don't understand. On December 22 2013 10:01 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
This is about the worst way to go out. I disagree. Champions don't quit. Did Jaedong quit when he was having trouble with protoss? Has Bogus quit or Flash? Did Parting quit when he was losing for months at a time? People who have terrible mindsets throw hissy fits on twitter and blame DK for their losses. Like Idra did. lol yeah bogus and flash did not quit .. but they are having a rough time .. just look at their previous interviews .. flash even considered switching to protoss once .. Indeed, but was that not because he felt that Protoss can play a defensive style more like the one he played in Brood War, rather than due to any imbalances at the time? No he thought protoss was op as fuck, he said forcefields were op warpgate were op etc. etc. lol I call bs on that. I am quite sure I read that interview a few months ago. It was more that he felt Protoss suited his preferred play style more, and that he was staying with Terran more for the fans (IIRC). Do you have a link to your claims? Actually its not bs at all. If you look at interviews from when he had recently started playing sc2 professionally, he said protoss was op in many ways in his opinion. Later on he said he "regretted not choosing protoss (something he considered)" when he switched. While he may no longer consider protoss op and that it just fits hist style more, he referred back to a time in which he did consider the race op. Pros call other races OP all the time. There is nothing special about that. What I was, and still am, calling BS is your statements about Flash calling FF and WG being OP etc, and he wanted to switch because he thought Protoss was OP and not because he thought he suited his defensive play style. Sounds to me like you don't remember the interview well (if we are speaking of the same one a couple of months ago) and are putting words into his mouth.
Yes and in those interviews he said he considered switching to protoss when he STARTED his sc2 career and that he partly regretted it. And if we look at interviews from when he STARTED his sc2 career... you get the picture. I never said he called protoss op a few months ago.
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