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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On December 22 2013 00:09 TheDwf wrote: Why can't you see that not being able to wall in PvZ and TvZ with less than 8 buildings is a huge problem? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DQz2zI3.jpg?1) I don't play at a high level so I don't really know if this is viable. It costs the same as a standard wall off but bunkers take 10 seconds longer to build than depots. | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On December 22 2013 01:42 Greendotz wrote: I don't play at a high level so I don't really know if this is viable. It costs the same as a standard wall off but bunkers take 10 seconds longer to build than depots. No, that really isn't good, if the zerg sees you walling off like that he has a free pass to drone like a madman knowing very well that all the economy and the aggression of the terran has gone out the window. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On December 22 2013 01:47 Destructicon wrote: No, that really isn't good, if the zerg sees you walling off like that he has a free pass to drone like a madman knowing very well that all the economy and the aggression of the terran has gone out the window. Call me a gold league scrub but doesn't the 6 depot/1 bunker wall off send exactly the same message? | ||
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UltiBahamut
United States102 Posts
On December 22 2013 01:50 Greendotz wrote: Call me a gold league scrub but doesn't the 6 depot/1 bunker wall off send exactly the same message? Honestly i would drone after seeing that. I would still scout his main for a 3rd cc to truly determine if he going to be aggressive or not but 3 bunkers just send off that illusion of defensive/passive play. The reasoning behind this is that yes that wall off costs the same as the depo wall off BUT The terran still has to get those depos anyways for their units, which means overall they are still investing 200 minerals more into that wall off in their overall build instead of a standard depo wall. | ||
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Akimbo
Canada105 Posts
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sevia
United States954 Posts
On December 22 2013 01:50 Greendotz wrote: Call me a gold league scrub but doesn't the 6 depot/1 bunker wall off send exactly the same message? Building a passive bunker is like building a depot that doesn't give supply. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 22 2013 02:04 sevia wrote: Building a passive bunker is like building a depot that doesn't give supply. As if you need 7 supply depots that early haha. | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
On December 21 2013 20:39 PPN wrote: Make Tempests. Watch the other player unable to mine its gold properly while you can. Laugh at how hilarious the situation is. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AtNAEJzYFw) Yes, Tempests are going to be so broken on this map. You can defend all 3 bases, one of which is a gold expansion with them while still being offensive and denying opponents gold. | ||
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verne
United States43 Posts
it will kill the game for me if this trend continues. Things at blizzard have gone from bad to worse since activision took over. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12043 Posts
On December 22 2013 02:35 verne wrote: There are not enough vetoes for all the CRAP maps. The ladder pool just gets worse and worse. *sigh Im so frustrated with the state of the game in general then they keep releasing utter garbage like alterzim. it will kill the game for me if this trend continues. Things at blizzard have gone from bad to worse since activision took over. Out of interest, in your opinion what is a good map? | ||
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
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Sumadin
Denmark588 Posts
On December 22 2013 03:01 Killmouse wrote: so which map is the gsl one Heavy Rain. Notice that it got a LE mark, which means ladder edition. | ||
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Firlefanz
Germany245 Posts
On December 22 2013 01:42 Greendotz wrote: (I removed the picture) I don't play at a high level so I don't really know if this is viable. It costs the same as a standard wall off but bunkers take 10 seconds longer to build than depots. I just tried some stuff and if you build your 3rd CC at the ramp you can wall off with: 1 bunker, 2 depots, 1 CC and 2 Ebays. It's still vulnerable to early speedlings, because with a standard build your ebays get added on quite late, so I don't know how it will work out in the end. | ||
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DeathDyingDoomKiller
Canada91 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 22 2013 02:37 Qikz wrote: Out of interest, in your opinion what is a good map? This is the question I'm always interested in hearing an answer to but I rarely get one. Unconventional maps are hated because they "don't work" for one reason or another, whereas standard maps are hated because they're either "stale" or because they "force me into playing a certain way". | ||
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Timetwister22
United States538 Posts
On December 22 2013 04:56 Zealously wrote: This is the question I'm always interested in hearing an answer to but I rarely get one. Unconventional maps are hated because they "don't work" for one reason or another, whereas standard maps are hated because they're either "stale" or because they "force me into playing a certain way". Sort of. Unconventional maps are hated when the emphasize hated ideas. If cool or neat ideas are used, people tend to love the unconventional map, even though it might not be feasible. Take the Redbull TLMC winner, which featured rising lava every five mins, as a good example. Such an idea is super radical and probably won't work, but it was loved by almost everyone. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On December 22 2013 04:56 Zealously wrote: This is the question I'm always interested in hearing an answer to but I rarely get one. Unconventional maps are hated because they "don't work" for one reason or another, whereas standard maps are hated because they're either "stale" or because they "force me into playing a certain way". Because bashing shit without giving thoughtout arguments and avoiding the discussion is a lot easier than improving/fixing the situation with useful additions... See: politics :-) | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On December 22 2013 06:29 SC2Toastie wrote: Because bashing shit without giving thoughtout arguments and avoiding the discussion is a lot easier than improving/fixing the situation with useful additions... See: politics :-) It's cool to be a hater on the internet yo. But really, Daedalus for example seems pretty similar to Metalopolis. And games were still exciting to watch back when that map was being used. But people complained super hard about how maps weren't "macro" enough, and what we have thus far happened. I don't mind seeing it tried again. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
But I do want to see what pros do. Playing myself is too stressful hahaha | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On December 22 2013 04:56 Zealously wrote: This is the question I'm always interested in hearing an answer to but I rarely get one. Unconventional maps are hated because they "don't work" for one reason or another, whereas standard maps are hated because they're either "stale" or because they "force me into playing a certain way". To be fair my logic is usually whatever I think is good will turn out to be the opposite of what the populous thinks. I can't stand Polar Night, and to this day I'm amazed it made tournament play. On the other hand I really liked Alterzim, and that seemed to be veto'd by 80% of players and has never been played in a single tournament :\ | ||
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