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On December 21 2013 23:51 TheDwf wrote:http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/470943DaedalusPoint.jpgWhat kind of bad joke is this... Back to Reactor Hellion expands in TvZ? This new map pool looks awful. They even managed to create a map with even more Blink surface than Star Station—hats off!
Hahah, that's brilliant. What the hell is this Blizzard.
Heavy Rain looks like its going to be great playing against Blink. gl Terrans.
Don't think Kas is Happy
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I still hope tournaments still use 1-2 non ladder maps. Downside is they usually get vetoed out.
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noooo kas!! dont do it!!! plz!
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I'm afraid that Daedalus point will see lots of blink stalker allins :/
Edit: Heavy Rain might actually be even worse in this case 
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All 3 new maps are vastly better than the ones they replace.
However Heavy Rain looks like it will be a Blink-All in map.
So much cliff space into the main.
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I like the new map pool for the new year.
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On December 22 2013 08:31 Koesader wrote:I'm afraid that Daedalus point will see lots of blink stalker allins :/ Edit: Heavy Rain might actually be even worse in this case
or very few. it will be massively vetoed with alterzim and polar dump
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Get Alterzim out of here pls! :D
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TBH Blizz i.e. - DK - should question out the philosophy about units/balancing again - he clearly said that unit role changes won't happen until LotV..
I suggest he questions out that decision again, cause TBH I feel like a lot of people won't watch/play..
The matchups are looong ago figured out (or in the case of PvZ still not quite figured out matchup, but unfortunately stale in the late-game) and because of that - all we see are same games again and again..
Therefore - EVEN ONE bad map, or at least not well polished map, would impact the scene far greater than otherwise a single bad map would
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On December 23 2013 06:14 VArsovskiSC wrote:
TBH Blizz i.e. - DK - should question out the philosophy about units/balancing again - he clearly said that unit role changes won't happen until LotV..
I suggest he questions out that decision again, cause TBH I feel like a lot of people won't watch/play..
The matchups are looong ago figured out (or in the case of PvZ still not quite figured out matchup, but unfortunately stale in the late-game) and because of that - all we see are same games again and again..
Therefore - EVEN ONE bad map, or at least not well polished map, would impact the scene far greater than otherwise a single bad map would
maybe that's what necessary. Shut everyone up about balance, force EVERYONE to rethink everything. Would be a very interesting experiment. Everyone can still rely on their mechanics, but the metagame would completely shift around. Balance whine would be rampant the first months, but then something will be figured out.
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Blizzard is really stupid tbh. It's seriously been impossible to enjoy laddering as a Terran over the past year because it is IMPOSSIBLE to cheese against Z or P, and ridiculously easy to lose to some 1-2 base cheeses from P and Z (mainly P). Too many maps are blink stalker all-in friendly (even PROMOTING). Worst map pool in history. SC2 is at its lowest enjoyment level in every aspect (matchups, high-level games, maps, tournaments, laddering). Please do something Blizz, this just isn't funny anymore.
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On December 23 2013 08:17 TimENT wrote:
Blizzard is really stupid tbh. It's seriously been impossible to enjoy laddering as a Terran over the past year because it is IMPOSSIBLE to cheese against Z or P, and ridiculously easy to lose to some 1-2 base cheeses from P and Z (mainly P). Too many maps are blink stalker all-in friendly (even PROMOTING). Worst map pool in history. SC2 is at its lowest enjoyment level in every aspect (matchups, high-level games, maps, tournaments, laddering). Please do something Blizz, this just isn't funny anymore.
I feel exactly the same as you right now. I don't know why but everytime the game looks kinda balanced (post hellbat patch HOTS and in the middle of 2011 for WoL), blizzard makes the game worst by applying unnecessary patchs and using retarded maps for ladder instead of picking the great ones from GSL/GSTL or another tournament. I'm starting to think that Blizzard doesn't like SCII when it's correctly balanced and rather to make some strategies/races easy to play so foreigners are making results and non koreans are watching more often tournaments.
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On December 23 2013 08:17 TimENT wrote:
Blizzard is really stupid tbh. It's seriously been impossible to enjoy laddering as a Terran over the past year because it is IMPOSSIBLE to cheese against Z or P, and ridiculously easy to lose to some 1-2 base cheeses from P and Z (mainly P). Too many maps are blink stalker all-in friendly (even PROMOTING). Worst map pool in history. SC2 is at its lowest enjoyment level in every aspect (matchups, high-level games, maps, tournaments, laddering). Please do something Blizz, this just isn't funny anymore.
I prefer to insta gg and put needles in my eyes vs Protoss 
It's not that bad, it's just so hard to figure out whats going on and then when you do, its still damn hard to come up with the perfect solution. Terran lacks options
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Thank god they introduced new maps I really got bored of Bel'shir Vestige. Looking forward to the new maps  !
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as terran and protoss Daedalus Point is going to be really hard vs zerg because of the walls but i guess the pros will figure it out but besides that all the maps are really fun to play on and i hope that blizz will keep the gold on habitation station has made for fun games so far for me
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Habitation station aka Ride of Valkyries SC2 again WOOO I am excited!
Love the new maps
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GUYS! GUYS! Yo, Custom Map forum bros! THEY LISTENED!
Ooooooooooopen Naturaaaaaaaaaaals! Fuck yes!
This map pool looks insanely awesome. But you know what's depressing? All these people who are bitching and moaning their yaps off because they don't like maps that might actually force a change in the way they play. Good fucking grief.
If an SC2 map can do that, then that's fucking AWESOME!
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So Blizzard removes Star Station and adds Heavy Rain. More like Heavy Pain.
I almost feel like they are trolling us with those blink favored maps.
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On December 23 2013 08:04 cptjibberjabber wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2013 06:14 VArsovskiSC wrote:
TBH Blizz i.e. - DK - should question out the philosophy about units/balancing again - he clearly said that unit role changes won't happen until LotV..
I suggest he questions out that decision again, cause TBH I feel like a lot of people won't watch/play..
The matchups are looong ago figured out (or in the case of PvZ still not quite figured out matchup, but unfortunately stale in the late-game) and because of that - all we see are same games again and again..
Therefore - EVEN ONE bad map, or at least not well polished map, would impact the scene far greater than otherwise a single bad map would maybe that's what necessary. Shut everyone up about balance, force EVERYONE to rethink everything. Would be a very interesting experiment. Everyone can still rely on their mechanics, but the metagame would completely shift around. Balance whine would be rampant the first months, but then something will be figured out.
That's a pretty big assumption to make.
Its been 3 years and there hasn't been a major shift the way TvP is played outside the early game.
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Open natural maps are good, yes.
Open natural maps where the natural won't ever be used because of blink... Not so much
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