• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:28
CET 14:28
KST 22:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1652 users

New Ladder Maps for '14 Season 1 - Page 9

Forum Index > SC2 General
316 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 16 Next All
Psz
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary52 Posts
December 23 2013 10:56 GMT
#161
I wish they would take PvT blink allins into consideration, and not make every single map excellent for it...
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
December 23 2013 12:02 GMT
#162
On December 23 2013 17:34 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 08:04 cptjibberjabber wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:14 VArsovskiSC wrote:
TBH Blizz i.e. - DK - should question out the philosophy about units/balancing again - he clearly said that unit role changes won't happen until LotV..

I suggest he questions out that decision again, cause TBH I feel like a lot of people won't watch/play..

The matchups are looong ago figured out (or in the case of PvZ still not quite figured out matchup, but unfortunately stale in the late-game) and because of that - all we see are same games again and again..

Therefore - EVEN ONE bad map, or at least not well polished map, would impact the scene far greater than otherwise a single bad map would


maybe that's what necessary. Shut everyone up about balance, force EVERYONE to rethink everything. Would be a very interesting experiment. Everyone can still rely on their mechanics, but the metagame would completely shift around. Balance whine would be rampant the first months, but then something will be figured out.

That's a pretty big assumption to make.

Its been 3 years and there hasn't been a major shift the way TvP is played outside the early game.


Pretty much every map has been the same for 3 years.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
quebecman77
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada133 Posts
December 23 2013 13:53 GMT
#163
Yeah David Kim got that right, sc2 need about 8 new retarded maps each season to stay fresh and fun, map not tested who look COOL are what this game needed!!

Btw how many map Broodwar got in 8 year to stay the most and best RTS ever ???

Why sc2 can't hire someone not totally retarded ??? ... Damn I would balance this game better that all of them !!!
( most sc2 pro gamer with rts exp would do just the same... Not saying I'm special... )

just thinking about the way they go and what they patch and change make my mind go wtf each time....

Also just want to add that I'm REALY sad they do something like that, sc2 could have been such a good game... Played about 3k game before the patchzerg era...I have even try the exp and I'm sad that the balance and the overall game don't allow me to play again ( I'm terran so that 5x WORST )

im alway looking at patch and change for see if the game allow me to comeback but they do worst and worst shit each time... that just crazy...

signed: a sad player who realy love rts with all my heart and played the first sc for about 10 year.....
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 23 2013 13:55 GMT
#164
I think I'm most interested in Daedalus Point and least interested in Heavy Rain. Probably won't veto anything just to try them out at first but I guess I'll have to see how it goes. Not a fan of joint 2v2 bases :/
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 23 2013 13:57 GMT
#165
On December 23 2013 21:02 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 17:34 Bagi wrote:
On December 23 2013 08:04 cptjibberjabber wrote:
On December 23 2013 06:14 VArsovskiSC wrote:
TBH Blizz i.e. - DK - should question out the philosophy about units/balancing again - he clearly said that unit role changes won't happen until LotV..

I suggest he questions out that decision again, cause TBH I feel like a lot of people won't watch/play..

The matchups are looong ago figured out (or in the case of PvZ still not quite figured out matchup, but unfortunately stale in the late-game) and because of that - all we see are same games again and again..

Therefore - EVEN ONE bad map, or at least not well polished map, would impact the scene far greater than otherwise a single bad map would


maybe that's what necessary. Shut everyone up about balance, force EVERYONE to rethink everything. Would be a very interesting experiment. Everyone can still rely on their mechanics, but the metagame would completely shift around. Balance whine would be rampant the first months, but then something will be figured out.

That's a pretty big assumption to make.

Its been 3 years and there hasn't been a major shift the way TvP is played outside the early game.


Pretty much every map has been the same for 3 years.

[image loading]


[image loading]

Yeah. No difference at all...
JuNQkiE
Profile Joined December 2013
United States11 Posts
December 23 2013 14:48 GMT
#166
Awesome pretty pumped about the new maps especially 2v2 curious to see more team play , especially in proleague!
«Rockin' Louis Vuitton condoms, cause I'm so fucking in style wow!
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
December 23 2013 17:07 GMT
#167
God Xelnaga Caverns was glorious.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
December 23 2013 17:17 GMT
#168
Disregarding any balance concerns, I wish we had a map or two with open naturals. I miss Metalopolis largely for its open naturals.
T P Z sagi
jdsowa
Profile Joined March 2011
405 Posts
December 23 2013 17:53 GMT
#169
All these maps are fine. The problems that plague this game can be fixed by altering unit HP, vision, food cap, unit speed, reducing effectiveness of AOE and hard counters, etc.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 23 2013 17:54 GMT
#170
On December 24 2013 02:07 Morbidius wrote:
God Xelnaga Caverns was glorious.

I agree. They should bring it back. Toss in a classic map every once in a while ^^
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 18:21:16
December 23 2013 18:04 GMT
#171
On December 23 2013 22:53 quebecman77 wrote:
Yeah David Kim got that right, sc2 need about 8 new retarded maps each season to stay fresh and fun, map not tested who look COOL are what this game needed!!

Btw how many map Broodwar got in 8 year to stay the most and best RTS ever ???

Why sc2 can't hire someone not totally retarded ??? ... Damn I would balance this game better that all of them !!!
( most sc2 pro gamer with rts exp would do just the same... Not saying I'm special... )

just thinking about the way they go and what they patch and change make my mind go wtf each time....

Also just want to add that I'm REALY sad they do something like that, sc2 could have been such a good game... Played about 3k game before the patchzerg era...I have even try the exp and I'm sad that the balance and the overall game don't allow me to play again ( I'm terran so that 5x WORST )

im alway looking at patch and change for see if the game allow me to comeback but they do worst and worst shit each time... that just crazy...

signed: a sad player who realy love rts with all my heart and played the first sc for about 10 year.....

New maps are necessary playing the same maps with the same fast 3 base expansion style of gameplay can get boring. Maps should change up the styles of play we see.
Moderatorlickypiddy
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12502 Posts
December 23 2013 18:33 GMT
#172
Some maps are looking really weird but I a. Liking it in some ways
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 23 2013 21:03 GMT
#173
On December 24 2013 03:04 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2013 22:53 quebecman77 wrote:
Yeah David Kim got that right, sc2 need about 8 new retarded maps each season to stay fresh and fun, map not tested who look COOL are what this game needed!!

Btw how many map Broodwar got in 8 year to stay the most and best RTS ever ???

Why sc2 can't hire someone not totally retarded ??? ... Damn I would balance this game better that all of them !!!
( most sc2 pro gamer with rts exp would do just the same... Not saying I'm special... )

just thinking about the way they go and what they patch and change make my mind go wtf each time....

Also just want to add that I'm REALY sad they do something like that, sc2 could have been such a good game... Played about 3k game before the patchzerg era...I have even try the exp and I'm sad that the balance and the overall game don't allow me to play again ( I'm terran so that 5x WORST )

im alway looking at patch and change for see if the game allow me to comeback but they do worst and worst shit each time... that just crazy...

signed: a sad player who realy love rts with all my heart and played the first sc for about 10 year.....

New maps are necessary playing the same maps with the same fast 3 base expansion style of gameplay can get boring. Maps should change up the styles of play we see.


On the other hand, it'd be kind of nice to, you know, be able to wall off a natural for example...
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
starslayer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States696 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 00:28:11
December 24 2013 00:14 GMT
#174
http://i.imgur.com/XX2IgIq.jpg if this works i found that this wall off is really good on Daedalus Point
i came here to kickass and chew bubblegum and i'm all out of bubble gum
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
December 24 2013 00:37 GMT
#175
So... If I'm not mistaken, Avalanche has the usual sweet spot for cannon rushes and siege tanks.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 24 2013 00:38 GMT
#176
On December 24 2013 09:14 starslayer wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/XX2IgIq.jpg if this works i found that this wall off is really good on Daedalus Point

Zerg auto-wins with Roach/Baneling bust.
starslayer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States696 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 01:56:05
December 24 2013 01:52 GMT
#177
On December 24 2013 09:38 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 09:14 starslayer wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/XX2IgIq.jpg if this works i found that this wall off is really good on Daedalus Point

Zerg auto-wins with Roach/Baneling bust.


well it is the rush map and thats if you dont scout it also its terran we can somehow hold roach bane bust with 3cc so we will have to see, tanks might have to be a regular thing on this map shouldnt be to hard to fit them in
i came here to kickass and chew bubblegum and i'm all out of bubble gum
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 04:04:51
December 24 2013 04:04 GMT
#178
I can't freaking wait to see the new maps...gonna be some sick sim-city of that open nat map too...

Seriously...have to echo Day9's point on SotG for all the people complaining, rofl...wtf? This is more than they've ever done before...fuck yes!
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
blastyblast21
Profile Joined January 2013
United States61 Posts
December 24 2013 04:21 GMT
#179
all the new maps sucks beside habitation station also why get rid of the best map in the pools bel shire. also all of these maps are perfect for toss all ins. Learn to make maps blizzards. Husky's IMBA league maps are more balanced than this.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12502 Posts
December 24 2013 04:40 GMT
#180
On December 24 2013 13:04 Qwyn wrote:
I can't freaking wait to see the new maps...gonna be some sick sim-city of that open nat map too...

Seriously...have to echo Day9's point on SotG for all the people complaining, rofl...wtf? This is more than they've ever done before...fuck yes!

nowadays even reddit is better than TL on this regard, some people here only exist to balance whine or something
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 16 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
12:00
#59
WardiTV1330
OGKoka 317
Rex84
IntoTheiNu 46
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 317
Lowko273
Hui .243
Rex 84
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 8843
Jaedong 4798
GuemChi 2229
Sea 1935
Horang2 1935
Pusan 552
Larva 383
Stork 350
Mini 340
Hyun 231
[ Show more ]
firebathero 209
PianO 95
Backho 83
ggaemo 79
Killer 76
ToSsGirL 61
sSak 59
Aegong 59
Barracks 55
JYJ52
Mong 47
JulyZerg 46
Sharp 30
sas.Sziky 24
soO 23
zelot 15
scan(afreeca) 12
Sacsri 10
Noble 9
SilentControl 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 6
Terrorterran 4
Dota 2
Gorgc3389
qojqva1524
Dendi986
XcaliburYe262
KheZu173
420jenkins64
League of Legends
Reynor102
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1524
x6flipin727
zeus609
shoxiejesuss554
allub269
oskar37
Super Smash Bros
amsayoshi53
Other Games
B2W.Neo944
Pyrionflax426
crisheroes334
Sick248
Fuzer 210
Liquid`LucifroN124
Mew2King106
hiko99
QueenE43
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
2h 32m
Replay Cast
9h 32m
WardiTV Korean Royale
22h 32m
Replay Cast
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 22h
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
BSL 21
5 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
BSL 21
6 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.