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HappyZerGling
Ukraine161 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On December 10 2013 21:15 HappyZerGling wrote: I am not teamless, I represent ESFXTV|FXO, fix plz ![]() again in top50! :D FXO? | ||
Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On December 10 2013 12:28 Destiny wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2013 12:23 BlackVelvet wrote: On December 10 2013 12:14 Destiny wrote: On December 04 2013 00:04 Salient wrote: How much money do the players get per viewer? None of this can be substantiated without input from Twitch.TV, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. When you're trying to determine how much money someone makes by running commercials on Twitch, the "viewer hour" (V*H) is the most important figure. Every time you run a commercial, you show 1 advertisement to every person watching your stream. That means that it's technically more valuable to stream to 100 people for 10 hours than it is to stream to 500 people for 1 hours. 500 people x 6 commercials x 1 hour (assuming no one runs adblock, you run 6 commericals per hour, and the ad-fill is 100%) = 3,000 commercials shown. Multiply that by your CPM and divide by 1k and you get your theoretical ad revenue. Say you have 3CPM, 3 x 3,000 commercials shown/1000 = $3. Say you show 100 people 6 ads/hour over 10 hours, that means you've shown 6,000 commercials, or twice as many, so your revenue would be doubled, to $6. This is all theoretical because you could run more or less ads an hour, there will be people using adblock, and the ad-fill is never 100%. So using that information, we can use my last month's revenue to make some guesses for other people's revenues. Estimated ad revenue (November): $2,551.80 Looking at the list of viewer hours, you can see that Dragon has less than a third of the V/H that I do. If you divide our viewer hours, you get a fraction, and you multiply that by my ad revenue and you can probably -estimate- that Dragon received about $767.11 last month. Grubby would have received a bit less than that, Catz about 3/4 of that, MaximusBlack a bit less than that, etc...etc... Hopefully in seeing these numbers you can see why a lot of people are pushing the donation model a lot harder. The streaming revenue has severely declined over the past couple of years, so I can't imagine anyone making a living streaming these days without finding other ways to significantly supplement their income. Let me know if you need any more insight! I assume that's not even including your subscriber income? Pretty impressive what you've done in that regard, and the Destiny.gg website. Yeah, exploring other revenue streams is important for me. I have my subscriptions that I manage on my website, the money I get from building people computers, the personal sponsorships I have (Feenix, Ting, DollarShaveClub), and the passive income I earn via my Youtube, my Amazon Affiliate Network and my Google Adsense. Do you get anything from Twitch vods, or is it better to have vods on Youtube from an advertising revenue perspective? | ||
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nimdil
Poland3747 Posts
On December 10 2013 12:37 PcaKes wrote: Edit - I guess Dima is a bad example in there, let's say Massan/Avilo to get someone with hours closer to yours. Keep in mind that living in some countries is a lot cheaper and while 1000$/month may look bad in Canada, in Ukraine that's actually decent amount of money. Based on this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_oblasts_and_territories_by_salary the average salary in Kiev - the richest region in a country - is equivalent to 600 bucks. With 1000$, you're well above average. If you add sponsorships to that, I guess Dimaga is in pretty decent shape. That's also what Funn1k mentioned in an interview - that what they are paying him in Na'Vi may be good money in Ukraine, but he is from Germany. | ||
DinosaurPoop
687 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3747 Posts
On December 10 2013 22:33 DinosaurPoop wrote: PainUser 405 hours........ He is practicing hard. | ||
DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On December 10 2013 23:02 DavoS wrote: Psy started streaming? That's awesome! Psy's greatest legacy will always be his role as catalyst for the "who's artosis" video. | ||
Aeromi
France14456 Posts
On December 10 2013 21:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2013 21:15 HappyZerGling wrote: I am not teamless, I represent ESFXTV|FXO, fix plz ![]() again in top50! :D FXO? Yes. On November 17 2013 14:52 HappyZerGling wrote: From November, 1 I am representing ESFXTV|FXO. It's a new e-sports platform sponsored by FXOpen. They have a Dota2 squad Power Ranger, and at the moment I am the only one in Starcraft2 squad, so it's a personal sponsorship for now. | ||
pNRG
United States333 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On December 10 2013 22:45 nimdil wrote: He is practicing hard. is he still diamond ?? | ||
Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 10 2013 13:20 Drinksarlot wrote: When you say CPM - that's clicks per minute? Does that mean you only paid if people click the ad, or is that additional income over someone just viewing the ad? Overall I am surprised at how little money there is to be made - if the top streamer is only making $2500 a month - that means that a lot of people aren't making much money out of it. It really seems like now that Twitch has established itself as the market leader (probably running at a loss or little profits for the last few years), they are now reducing the quality of their service and how much they pay streamers - in order to maximize profits. Note that the top streamers in this list are only Starcraft 2 streamers. There are many other streamers on Twitch, of course, and especially the League of Legends guys get >20.000 viewers on an average day. Even without any actual numbers, you can easily guess that these guys are making pretty good money from that. I wouldn't say that Twitch is trying to starve out its streamers. You simply have to be pretty darn popular to make a living out of playing video games. On December 10 2013 21:15 HappyZerGling wrote: I am not teamless, I represent ESFXTV|FXO, fix plz ![]() again in top50! :D Thanks! Fixed now. ![]() | ||
ShinigamiFlameHaze
United States33 Posts
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DharmaTurtle
United States283 Posts
On December 10 2013 21:40 Lonyo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2013 12:28 Destiny wrote: On December 10 2013 12:23 BlackVelvet wrote: On December 10 2013 12:14 Destiny wrote: On December 04 2013 00:04 Salient wrote: How much money do the players get per viewer? None of this can be substantiated without input from Twitch.TV, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. When you're trying to determine how much money someone makes by running commercials on Twitch, the "viewer hour" (V*H) is the most important figure. Every time you run a commercial, you show 1 advertisement to every person watching your stream. That means that it's technically more valuable to stream to 100 people for 10 hours than it is to stream to 500 people for 1 hours. 500 people x 6 commercials x 1 hour (assuming no one runs adblock, you run 6 commericals per hour, and the ad-fill is 100%) = 3,000 commercials shown. Multiply that by your CPM and divide by 1k and you get your theoretical ad revenue. Say you have 3CPM, 3 x 3,000 commercials shown/1000 = $3. Say you show 100 people 6 ads/hour over 10 hours, that means you've shown 6,000 commercials, or twice as many, so your revenue would be doubled, to $6. This is all theoretical because you could run more or less ads an hour, there will be people using adblock, and the ad-fill is never 100%. So using that information, we can use my last month's revenue to make some guesses for other people's revenues. Estimated ad revenue (November): $2,551.80 Looking at the list of viewer hours, you can see that Dragon has less than a third of the V/H that I do. If you divide our viewer hours, you get a fraction, and you multiply that by my ad revenue and you can probably -estimate- that Dragon received about $767.11 last month. Grubby would have received a bit less than that, Catz about 3/4 of that, MaximusBlack a bit less than that, etc...etc... Hopefully in seeing these numbers you can see why a lot of people are pushing the donation model a lot harder. The streaming revenue has severely declined over the past couple of years, so I can't imagine anyone making a living streaming these days without finding other ways to significantly supplement their income. Let me know if you need any more insight! I assume that's not even including your subscriber income? Pretty impressive what you've done in that regard, and the Destiny.gg website. Yeah, exploring other revenue streams is important for me. I have my subscriptions that I manage on my website, the money I get from building people computers, the personal sponsorships I have (Feenix, Ting, DollarShaveClub), and the passive income I earn via my Youtube, my Amazon Affiliate Network and my Google Adsense. Do you get anything from Twitch vods, or is it better to have vods on Youtube from an advertising revenue perspective? Unless something changed, Twitch pays you for vod views. However, I believe YouTube pays more/has more exposure, so more advantageous to go there if you have a partnered account. | ||
DinosaurJones
United States1000 Posts
He can be kind of crude though, so I can understand a team not picking him up. | ||
Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On December 11 2013 01:59 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2013 22:45 nimdil wrote: On December 10 2013 22:33 DinosaurPoop wrote: PainUser 405 hours........ He is practicing hard. is he still diamond ?? I watched his stream earlier today and he was diamond, but it looked like a new account. | ||
Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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KnowMe
Germany228 Posts
On December 11 2013 02:11 Conti wrote: Show nested quote + On December 10 2013 13:20 Drinksarlot wrote: When you say CPM - that's clicks per minute? Does that mean you only paid if people click the ad, or is that additional income over someone just viewing the ad? Overall I am surprised at how little money there is to be made - if the top streamer is only making $2500 a month - that means that a lot of people aren't making much money out of it. It really seems like now that Twitch has established itself as the market leader (probably running at a loss or little profits for the last few years), they are now reducing the quality of their service and how much they pay streamers - in order to maximize profits. Note that the top streamers in this list are only Starcraft 2 streamers. There are many other streamers on Twitch, of course, and especially the League of Legends guys get >20.000 viewers on an average day. Even without any actual numbers, you can easily guess that these guys are making pretty good money from that. I wouldn't say that Twitch is trying to starve out its streamers. You simply have to be pretty darn popular to make a living out of playing video games. Show nested quote + On December 10 2013 21:15 HappyZerGling wrote: I am not teamless, I represent ESFXTV|FXO, fix plz ![]() again in top50! :D Thanks! Fixed now. ![]() why did you not fix my team (first comment in this thread? tt) | ||
Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 11 2013 09:34 KnowMe wrote: Show nested quote + On December 11 2013 02:11 Conti wrote: On December 10 2013 13:20 Drinksarlot wrote: When you say CPM - that's clicks per minute? Does that mean you only paid if people click the ad, or is that additional income over someone just viewing the ad? Overall I am surprised at how little money there is to be made - if the top streamer is only making $2500 a month - that means that a lot of people aren't making much money out of it. It really seems like now that Twitch has established itself as the market leader (probably running at a loss or little profits for the last few years), they are now reducing the quality of their service and how much they pay streamers - in order to maximize profits. Note that the top streamers in this list are only Starcraft 2 streamers. There are many other streamers on Twitch, of course, and especially the League of Legends guys get >20.000 viewers on an average day. Even without any actual numbers, you can easily guess that these guys are making pretty good money from that. I wouldn't say that Twitch is trying to starve out its streamers. You simply have to be pretty darn popular to make a living out of playing video games. On December 10 2013 21:15 HappyZerGling wrote: I am not teamless, I represent ESFXTV|FXO, fix plz ![]() again in top50! :D Thanks! Fixed now. ![]() why did you not fix my team (first comment in this thread? tt) Because I can get easily distracted. >.> Sorry! I probably wrote down somewhere to do it the next day and then forgot about it. Fixed it now. ![]() | ||
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