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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I will, but I have a gambling problem. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
--------UPDATE Sunday, Feb 02 5:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Features! After the completion of ASUS and IEM I added a few new features. -Changed the foreigner hope graph to show #+ foreigners instead of # of foreigners. So now you see the chances for 1+ foreigners, 2+ foreigners, etc. I think this looks better than before. (Thanks KillerDucky!) -Added flags on the probabilities graphs for players and foreigner hope to show big events that happened that could've changed the probabilities. Right now there are only flags for the completion of IEM and ASUS, but later I could even have events for me changing things like "Special Previously Unannounced Tournament 7 added to simulation". -I added headband and upcoming matches info to the player pages. -Also to the player pages, I added green and red dashes on their probability graphs to show the expected results of a win or loss in their next upcoming match. The size of the dash is relative to how probable the event is. See sOs for a good example. http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=player&player_id=110 ----------------------- What do you guys think of the green and red dashes on players' probabilities graphs? Poll: Green and red dashes? Good (5) Meh (0) Bad (0) 5 total votes Your vote: Green and red dashes? edit: And I just changed the flags for events on the graphs to be the icon for the race of who won, for non-tournament-winning events it's still just a flag. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
(Mean is a normal average, median is the one in the middle, mode is the one that happens the most, see wikipedia) All of these are shown on the player pages, here's ForGG as an example http://sc2.4ever.tv/?page=player&player_id=34 Min and mode I thought were the best ones, so these are shown on the front page list, and also on the tooltips for players. http://sc2.4ever.tv/ Next big features over the next month will probably be -a section on the front page for each tournament that shows the chances for each player to win the tournament (showing like top 5 and expanding to show at most the top 64 or so) -proper timezone conversions into your local time -achievements -make the countdowns actually update without reloading -on the main players list, have up and down arrows representing if they went up or down in chances in the past 5 days, with a tooltip that says the amount, similar to what aligulac does Still taking suggestions though! | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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Canada2719 Posts
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Sherlock117
United States40 Posts
On February 02 2014 06:25 Die4Ever wrote: Thanks for the feedback. I never put the timezone for the update time cause I planned on having the website to convert it to the viewer's local time, for now it's CST. I'm not sure what you mean by number of players per country/team? Maybe you mean the number of players they have in the 16 most likely? I feel like that wouldn't be very telling. My guess is that he means instead of listing a percentage, why not display the data as the number of people predicted to be in the top 16. So for Koreans instead of a summed percentage of 1326%, you could display this as your simulator predicts there will be 13.26 people from Korea. Then you could display all the info in a bar graph instead of what is basically a pie chart. | ||
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Sherlock117
United States40 Posts
I still think the look of the main page is a little daunting, but looking much nicer now. I think having the rankings at the top and in a cleaner format is the nicest thing for a casual viewer. Then you could have a different page for more detailed rankings with more sortable ccolumns, etc. On the main page I would stick with the player name, country flag, race icon column, the probability of top 16, and maybe "expected" WCS point total (I disagree with you and think the median is the most relevant, but I won't be offended either way!). There should also be a ranking "number". I.e. hero is 1, San is 2, etc. My suggestion for making the front page nicer is to look at other websites which have rankings as their main draw and try and use the looks that you like. Aligulac is really nice and clean, or maybe atpworldtour.com is another. I can see right away who the "top" players are. And I can easily find my way to more info like foreigner hope rating, etc. Oh, I forgot to mention, the new foreigner hope rating display is excellent! | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On February 05 2014 14:51 Sherlock117 wrote: My guess is that he means instead of listing a percentage, why not display the data as the number of people predicted to be in the top 16. So for Koreans instead of a summed percentage of 1326%, you could display this as your simulator predicts there will be 13.26 people from Korea. Then you could display all the info in a bar graph instead of what is basically a pie chart. I'm not sure that % to people conversion is mathematically correct, but it seems to be close enough. I guess the suggestion is to keep it the same except changing the labels on the graph from % to # of people? That would probably make it easier to understand. On February 05 2014 15:03 Sherlock117 wrote: The site is looking better every time I go there. The player pages are awesome, and I can't see anything to change. I still think the look of the main page is a little daunting, but looking much nicer now. I think having the rankings at the top and in a cleaner format is the nicest thing for a casual viewer. Then you could have a different page for more detailed rankings with more sortable ccolumns, etc. On the main page I would stick with the player name, country flag, race icon column, the probability of top 16, and maybe "expected" WCS point total (I disagree with you and think the median is the most relevant, but I won't be offended either way!). There should also be a ranking "number". I.e. hero is 1, San is 2, etc. My suggestion for making the front page nicer is to look at other websites which have rankings as their main draw and try and use the looks that you like. Aligulac is really nice and clean, or maybe atpworldtour.com is another. I can see right away who the "top" players are. And I can easily find my way to more info like foreigner hope rating, etc. Oh, I forgot to mention, the new foreigner hope rating display is excellent! Yea I want to make a smaller front page with the top 20 or so on it, and maybe some other highlights like the upcoming matches, and then have a different page for the full list. I'm not sure how to split up the other stats though like all the graphs and achievements and foreigner hope and stuff, I don't really want them to be hidden. Maybe I'll keep the current front page intact but make it a different page, and make a new front page have just upcoming matches and the top 20. On median vs mode, I actually like both lol, maybe I can fit both. I think min is definitely the most important one though, especially since it lets people alert me when I got something wrong lol, this helped a lot in the previous version. Thanks for the feedback. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
--------UPDATE Friday, Feb 07 2:20am GMT (GMT+00:00) WCS EU Challenger Completed, IEM Player List Updated! Updated with WCS EU Challenger completed, and the current IEM Cologne player list. You can see the IEM update hurt foreign hopes a little bit. With his announcement of being at IEM, TLO now takes the spot for top foreign hope away from Naniwa. Also Classic and Polt seem to have gone down in chances due to the strong list of players now going to IEM, both losing over 6%. Also with this update Protoss has surpassed the 50% mark on the summed percentages per race! Now at 51.6%. ----------------------- Here's the preview for tonight's GSL Code S group! Starts in + Show Spoiler [Leenock, SuperNova, Trap, Zest in GSL…] + - Leenock is at ~ 12.90 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 50.41 % of the time Leenock wins and their chances go up to ~ 24.19 %. ~ 49.59 % of the time Leenock loses and their chances go down to ~ 1.42 %. ------------------------------------------------- - SuperNova is at ~ 8.14 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 49.22 % of the time SuperNova wins and their chances go up to ~ 16.50 %. ~ 50.78 % of the time SuperNova loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.03 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Trap is at ~ 7.33 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 45.85 % of the time Trap wins and their chances go up to ~ 15.95 %. ~ 54.15 % of the time Trap loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.03 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Zest is at ~ 10.98 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 54.53 % of the time Zest wins and their chances go up to ~ 20.10 %. ~ 45.47 % of the time Zest loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.04 %. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
Times are all shown in your local time, if you mouse over a time on the page(not in a graph, right now the only one is the time for "using results from") then it will show how long ago it was or a countdown for it. Countdowns are now kept updated in real time, if you mouse over a countdown it will show the date/time in your local timezone. Restricted how far out the green and red dashes for upcoming matches on player chances history graphs goes to 5 days, the actual date/time of the match is shown when you mouse over. This was making the graph look really dumb on puCK's page for example, where his next match isn't for another 31 days. Reduced the number of duplicate events about upcoming matches shown on a player page. For example an upcoming match with Life vs Innovation, you would see in their events "If Life wins...","If Life loses...","If Innovation wins...", and "If Innovation loses...", I reduced it to show only the ones for the current player. This only affects singular events and not grouped events. Changed the teams summed percentage graph to group into Original KESPA and Original ESF instead of current. This is per team and not per player, so Trap counts for IM which is Original ESF. Players with ~0% (0 times qualified in all the samples) chances are no longer shown on the front page to reduce load times by about 50%. Under the players table there is a link to the full list. Also the columns on the players table have been reordered. They are now in the order of: team, player, chances, aligulac rating, country, race, min points, mode points. And now it is time to go to sleep so I can wake up for Proleague! Get hyped! | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
--------UPDATE Sunday, Feb 09 11:20pm GMT (GMT+00:00) IEM Player List Finalized! The IEM Cologne player list, groups, and open bracket have been finalized. Due to the simulation no longer needing to pull random players to fill unannounced slots for any tournament this greatly reduces the number of players with over 0% chances. Right now there are only 104 players with over 0% chances for season 1. Last night I made a bunch of small changes. + Show Spoiler [changes] + Times are all shown in your local time, if you mouse over a time on the page(not in a graph, right now the only one is the time for "using results from") then it will show how long ago it was or a countdown for it. Countdowns are now kept updated in real time, if you mouse over a countdown it will show the date/time in your local timezone. Restricted how far out the green and red dashes for upcoming matches on player chances history graphs goes to 5 days, the actual date/time of the match is shown when you mouse over. This was making the graph look really dumb on puCK's page for example, where his next match isn't for another 31 days. Reduced the number of duplicate events about upcoming matches shown on a player page. For example an upcoming match with Life vs Innovation, you would see in their events "If Life wins...","If Life loses...","If Innovation wins...", and "If Innovation loses...", I reduced it to show only the ones for the current player. This only affects singular events and not grouped events. Changed the teams summed percentage graph to group into Original KESPA and Original ESF instead of current. This is per team and not per player, so Trap counts for IM which is Original ESF. Players with ~0% (0 times qualified in all the samples) chances are no longer shown on the front page to reduce load times by about 50%. Under the players table there is a link to the full list. Also the columns on the players table have been reordered. They are now in the order of: team, player, chances, aligulac rating, country, race, min points, mode points. ----------------------- | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
WCS EU Premier round of 32 groups have been set. Zest went up by almost 6% over the previous update just because of the increase in his aligulac rating, especially vs Protoss, which should be the most important rating for GSL this season. ----------------------- http://sc2.4ever.tv | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
--------UPDATE Wednesday, Feb 12 12:50pm GMT (GMT+00:00) IEM Cologne predictions and GSL Code S Group C completed! IEM Cologne has been added to the upcoming matches highlights. San vs HasuObs is a match for the #2 headband! + Show Spoiler [IEM Predictions] + Starts in + Show Spoiler [MC, Revenge in IEM Cologne Open Bracket] + - MC is at ~ 68.66 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 72.89 % of the time MC wins and their chances go up to ~ 72.47 %. ~ 27.11 % of the time MC loses and their chances go down to ~ 58.43 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Revenge is at ~ 0.00 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 27.11 % of the time Revenge wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.00 %. ~ 72.89 % of the time Revenge loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. Starts in + Show Spoiler [San, HasuObs in IEM Cologne Open Bracket] + San has the #2 headband! This is a match for the #2 headband! - San is at ~ 99.96 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 64.84 % of the time San wins and their chances go up to ~ 99.97 %. ~ 35.16 % of the time San loses and their chances go down to ~ 99.94 %. ------------------------------------------------- - HasuObs is at ~ 8.08 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 35.16 % of the time HasuObs wins and their chances go up to ~ 9.78 %. ~ 64.84 % of the time HasuObs loses and their chances go down to ~ 7.16 %. Starts in + Show Spoiler [StarDust, Miniraser in IEM Cologne Ope…] + - StarDust is at ~ 61.20 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 72.60 % of the time StarDust wins and their chances go up to ~ 65.55 %. ~ 27.40 % of the time StarDust loses and their chances go down to ~ 49.66 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Miniraser is at ~ 0.57 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 27.40 % of the time Miniraser wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.75 %. ~ 72.60 % of the time Miniraser loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.50 %. Starts in + Show Spoiler [TLO, HaNfy in IEM Cologne Open Bracket] + - TLO is at ~ 29.00 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 69.81 % of the time TLO wins and their chances go up to ~ 31.36 %. ~ 30.19 % of the time TLO loses and their chances go down to ~ 23.56 %. ------------------------------------------------- - HaNfy is at ~ 0.00 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 30.19 % of the time HaNfy wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.00 %. ~ 69.81 % of the time HaNfy loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. Starts in + Show Spoiler [HyuN, Tarrantius in IEM Cologne Open B…] + - HyuN is at ~ 30.62 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 79.00 % of the time HyuN wins and their chances go up to ~ 31.71 %. ~ 21.00 % of the time HyuN loses and their chances go down to ~ 26.49 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Tarrantius is at ~ 0.00 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 21.00 % of the time Tarrantius wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.00 %. ~ 79.00 % of the time Tarrantius loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. Starts in + Show Spoiler [viOLet, Tefel in IEM Cologne Open Brac…] + - viOLet is at ~ 1.21 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 51.79 % of the time viOLet wins and their chances go up to ~ 1.93 %. ~ 48.21 % of the time viOLet loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.44 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Tefel is at ~ 0.24 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 48.21 % of the time Tefel wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.41 %. ~ 51.79 % of the time Tefel loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.07 %. Starts in + Show Spoiler [Leenock, Socke in IEM Cologne Open Bra…] + - Leenock is at ~ 0.40 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 48.66 % of the time Leenock wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.72 %. ~ 51.34 % of the time Leenock loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.09 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Socke is at ~ 0.04 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 51.34 % of the time Socke wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.07 %. ~ 48.66 % of the time Socke loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.01 %. Starts in + Show Spoiler [Grubby, Patience in IEM Cologne Open B…] + - Grubby is at ~ 5.13 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 40.69 % of the time Grubby wins and their chances go up to ~ 6.40 %. ~ 59.31 % of the time Grubby loses and their chances go down to ~ 4.26 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Patience is at ~ 4.33 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 59.31 % of the time Patience wins and their chances go up to ~ 6.38 %. ~ 40.69 % of the time Patience loses and their chances go down to ~ 1.35 %. ----------------------- | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
With the open brackets completed, the IEM Cologne round of 16 groups have been set. Stardust now holds the #2 headband in Group C. + Show Spoiler [IEM Ro16 Predictions] + Starts in + Show Spoiler [Rain, HerO, HyuN, ForGG in IEM Cologne] + - Rain is at ~ 47.17 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 55.86 % of the time Rain wins and their chances go up to ~ 61.63 %. ~ 44.14 % of the time Rain loses and their chances go down to ~ 28.86 %. ------------------------------------------------- - HerO is at ~ 47.50 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 50.06 % of the time HerO wins and their chances go up to ~ 57.77 %. ~ 49.94 % of the time HerO loses and their chances go down to ~ 37.21 %. ------------------------------------------------- - HyuN is at ~ 37.29 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 45.39 % of the time HyuN wins and their chances go up to ~ 49.68 %. ~ 54.61 % of the time HyuN loses and their chances go down to ~ 26.98 %. ------------------------------------------------- - ForGG is at ~ 74.02 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 48.69 % of the time ForGG wins and their chances go up to ~ 93.31 %. ~ 51.31 % of the time ForGG loses and their chances go down to ~ 55.73 %. Starts in + Show Spoiler [jjakji, qxc, Patience, Dear in IEM Col…] + - jjakji is at ~ 85.35 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 68.34 % of the time jjakji wins and their chances go up to ~ 95.24 %. ~ 31.66 % of the time jjakji loses and their chances go down to ~ 64.01 %. ------------------------------------------------- - qxc is at ~ 0.10 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 12.41 % of the time qxc wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.84 %. ~ 87.59 % of the time qxc loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Patience is at ~ 10.67 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 62.89 % of the time Patience wins and their chances go up to ~ 16.96 %. ~ 37.11 % of the time Patience loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Dear is at ~ 92.95 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 56.36 % of the time Dear wins and their chances go up to ~ 99.86 %. ~ 43.64 % of the time Dear loses and their chances go down to ~ 84.02 %. Starts in + Show Spoiler [Polt, MaNa, Jaedong, StarDust in IEM C…] + StarDust has the #2 headband! This is a match for the #2 headband! - Polt is at ~ 71.45 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 61.05 % of the time Polt wins and their chances go up to ~ 82.59 %. ~ 38.95 % of the time Polt loses and their chances go down to ~ 53.98 %. ------------------------------------------------- - MaNa is at ~ 0.19 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 22.40 % of the time MaNa wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.86 %. ~ 77.60 % of the time MaNa loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Jaedong is at ~ 59.45 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 59.51 % of the time Jaedong wins and their chances go up to ~ 71.66 %. ~ 40.49 % of the time Jaedong loses and their chances go down to ~ 41.51 %. ------------------------------------------------- - StarDust is at ~ 77.62 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 57.04 % of the time StarDust wins and their chances go up to ~ 93.33 %. ~ 42.96 % of the time StarDust loses and their chances go down to ~ 56.75 %. Starts in + Show Spoiler [MC, INnoVation, Classic, HeRoMaRinE in…] + - MC is at ~ 92.97 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 54.92 % of the time MC wins and their chances go up to ~ 99.86 %. ~ 45.08 % of the time MC loses and their chances go down to ~ 84.59 %. ------------------------------------------------- - INnoVation is at ~ 8.41 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 63.53 % of the time INnoVation wins and their chances go up to ~ 13.23 %. ~ 36.47 % of the time INnoVation loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Classic is at ~ 24.10 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 51.60 % of the time Classic wins and their chances go up to ~ 33.56 %. ~ 48.40 % of the time Classic loses and their chances go down to ~ 14.01 %. ------------------------------------------------- - HeRoMaRinE is at ~ 1.07 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 29.96 % of the time HeRoMaRinE wins and their chances go up to ~ 3.57 %. ~ 70.04 % of the time HeRoMaRinE loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. + Show Spoiler [GSL Ro32 Group D Predictions] + Starts in + Show Spoiler [Squirtle, Soulkey, Pet, Sora in GSL Co…] + - Squirtle is at ~ 14.88 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 61.89 % of the time Squirtle wins and their chances go up to ~ 24.03 %. ~ 38.11 % of the time Squirtle loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Soulkey is at ~ 13.45 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 59.29 % of the time Soulkey wins and their chances go up to ~ 22.68 %. ~ 40.71 % of the time Soulkey loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Pet is at ~ 1.13 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 28.64 % of the time Pet wins and their chances go up to ~ 3.94 %. ~ 71.36 % of the time Pet loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Sora is at ~ 9.45 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 50.18 % of the time Sora wins and their chances go up to ~ 18.83 %. ~ 49.82 % of the time Sora loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ----------------------- http://sc2.4ever.tv | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
http://sc2.4ever.tv/ Here's what WCS Predictor says about WCS AM Group A, and GSL Code S Group E Starts in + Show Spoiler [NesTea, Oz, Alicia, desRow in WCS AM P…] + - NesTea is at ~ 4.93 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 55.08 % of the time NesTea wins and their chances go up to ~ 8.96 %. ~ 44.92 % of the time NesTea loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Oz is at ~ 5.61 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 53.52 % of the time Oz wins and their chances go up to ~ 10.47 %. ~ 46.48 % of the time Oz loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Alicia is at ~ 21.84 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 69.07 % of the time Alicia wins and their chances go up to ~ 31.62 %. ~ 30.93 % of the time Alicia loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - desRow is at ~ 0.18 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 22.33 % of the time desRow wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.81 %. ~ 77.67 % of the time desRow loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. Starts in + Show Spoiler [PartinG, Bbyong, TRUE, MyuNgSiK in GSL…] + - PartinG is at ~ 23.03 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 74.36 % of the time PartinG wins and their chances go up to ~ 30.97 %. ~ 25.64 % of the time PartinG loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Bbyong is at ~ 10.51 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 53.36 % of the time Bbyong wins and their chances go up to ~ 19.69 %. ~ 46.64 % of the time Bbyong loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - TRUE is at ~ 1.42 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 40.36 % of the time TRUE wins and their chances go up to ~ 3.53 %. ~ 59.64 % of the time TRUE loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - MyuNgSiK is at ~ 1.20 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 31.92 % of the time MyuNgSiK wins and their chances go up to ~ 3.76 %. ~ 68.08 % of the time MyuNgSiK loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
The effect of ForGG being knocked out affects all the players in WCS EU Premier. For example TLO went from 19.05% to 19.73%, Mvp went from 22.22% to 23.95%, and Welmu went from 14.68% to 15.11%. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On February 24 2014 01:26 urboss wrote: Can you explain why some players have 0% chance after just one WCS? e.g. ForGG or Innovation? it's chance to get top 16 this season. | ||
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Austria18407 Posts
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
On February 24 2014 01:42 The_Templar wrote: it's chance to get top 16 this season. Yeah, I know, 0% just seems a bit pessimistic after just one WCS. Last year, there were also a few players in the last 16 without excelling in every WCS. Maybe I'm missing something. | ||
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