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On December 01 2013 03:00 KingofGods wrote:
I thought the power of the warp in after the fight was pretty obvious and didn't need to be spelled out but apparently not. In PvP, your protoss opponent will have the exact same quick warp in ability which nullifies your own which makes my statement of protoss players needing to find advantages elsewhere still true. Trying to make sure your maxed out army doesn't get beat down is exactly what the protoss players are good at, controlling their 200 / 200 deathball army.
No, I'm afraid you are wrong in thinking rushing to a 200 food army is the only way to play as protoss. Countless cannon rushes and other forms of protoss all ins on ladder and high profile tournaments have shown otherwise. Protoss players prefer to play that way because that is what they are comfortable with and to them is what they feel gives them the best opportunity to win. Whether that's actually true or not is irrelevant, their perception that that is true makes them play that way.
I am honestly lost for words here. We came to the conclusion that Toss do not need to deathball to win - they can actually also cannon rush and all in for the win!
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Have he confirmed it outside of this interview?
Would hate to see him switch.. need that Terran hope!
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wow hotbid is everywhere all the time ! xD
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"I feel very dirty already." lol
This will be fun to see what happens. Good luck copying Elfi hehe
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im sorry but, this is hilarious
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On November 30 2013 06:56 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 06:51 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On November 30 2013 06:27 Darkhoarse wrote:Sjow always played with like 90 APM ish so maybe Protoss will be better for him  elfi is always top8 gm and hehave 80-100 apm depending matchup :D elfi can up his clicks when the situation requires him to. He was rocking a solid 244 during one of his Dreamhack fights.
Was he pressing photon overcharge button like crazy in that fight? :D
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On December 01 2013 11:34 TRaFFiC wrote:
"I feel very dirty already." lol
This will be fun to see what happens. Good luck copying Elfi hehe
What? Copying elfi?
elfi is one and only one true god
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4F0kVxO.jpg)
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On December 01 2013 03:43 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that a 200/200 protoss deathball is stronger than a 200/200 bio army or 200/200 roach army. This is exactly the reason why protoss want to wait until 200/200 before they fight. All players try to play to their strengths which for protoss players is deathball vs. deathball. 1 Stalker is more expensive for the same supply than 1 marauder or 2 marines. Its way more expensive than a roach. Certain exceptions like capital ships and caster units aside, this pattern generally holds true for Protoss armies vs, Terran or Zerg armies. So that 200/200 Protoss army generally cost them a lot more than a 200/200 bioball or roach army, and if it wasn't better than them, that'd be hugely imbalanced.
Its depends on composition. Stalkers are expensive but zealots are cheaper and more popular in the matchup
cost per supply
marine=zealot
marauder<stalker
ghost>ht
medivac<=archon
viking>colossus
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Haha this interview. Fuck this is awesome, gl Sjow :D. His stream will be fun to watch.
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Omfg I lost it when hotbid asked what toss he will study and he said elfi XD
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Protoss confirmed easy race. But he´ll regret it, when he starts meeting Efli and loses every PvP against him.
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He's on the opposite end of the spectrum as far as skill goes to Sjow, but I think Flash is another terran who should do this.
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On December 01 2013 19:51 keglu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 03:43 awesomoecalypse wrote:I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that a 200/200 protoss deathball is stronger than a 200/200 bio army or 200/200 roach army. This is exactly the reason why protoss want to wait until 200/200 before they fight. All players try to play to their strengths which for protoss players is deathball vs. deathball. 1 Stalker is more expensive for the same supply than 1 marauder or 2 marines. Its way more expensive than a roach. Certain exceptions like capital ships and caster units aside, this pattern generally holds true for Protoss armies vs, Terran or Zerg armies. So that 200/200 Protoss army generally cost them a lot more than a 200/200 bioball or roach army, and if it wasn't better than them, that'd be hugely imbalanced. Its depends on composition. Stalkers are expensive but zealots are cheaper and more popular in the matchup cost per supply marine=zealot marauder<stalker ghost>ht medivac<=archon viking>colossus
Yet on a unit by unit basis individual Protoss units typically have really obvious flaws (for want of a better word). Colossi can be hit by air attacks and are pretty much glass cannons. HT are slow as hell. Zealots are melee. Stalkers have hardly any DPS. Archons have fairly short range, are bulky and get really messed up by Ghosts' EMPs. Etc etc. Protoss lategame army works because of the interaction of all the elements of the army making up for weaknesses of individual units.
Point is you can't just rely on supply-cost effective units in a "cheap" composition because you need a variety of units or you'll have at least one glaring weakness. You need to cover every element, which is expensive.
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He's streaming right now 
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
I find it very difficult to believe that he'd get close to his Terran level with Protoss, but Classic proved me wrong so I guess Sjow might do the same. If someone still thinks Protoss is somehow "easy to play", though, said someone needs to wake up.
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On December 03 2013 00:57 Zealously wrote:
I find it very difficult to believe that he'd get close to his Terran level with Protoss, but Classic proved me wrong so I guess Sjow might do the same. If someone still thinks Protoss is somehow "easy to play", though, said someone needs to wake up.
I agree. But this will be an interesting test. He is streaming right now, and in Gold.
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"Patchtoss" is a cool name  I wonder if his perspective will change along the 30 days, since he'll obv start very pro-terran.
It's also an epic publicity job, hadn't thought of that at first^^
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United States23455 Posts
Very strange to see a protoss logo next to Sjow in the streams section
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wow he likes challenge :D
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EPT
