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tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
November 30 2013 23:09 GMT
#161
On December 01 2013 03:00 KingofGods wrote:
I thought the power of the warp in after the fight was pretty obvious and didn't need to be spelled out but apparently not. In PvP, your protoss opponent will have the exact same quick warp in ability which nullifies your own which makes my statement of protoss players needing to find advantages elsewhere still true. Trying to make sure your maxed out army doesn't get beat down is exactly what the protoss players are good at, controlling their 200 / 200 deathball army.

No, I'm afraid you are wrong in thinking rushing to a 200 food army is the only way to play as protoss. Countless cannon rushes and other forms of protoss all ins on ladder and high profile tournaments have shown otherwise. Protoss players prefer to play that way because that is what they are comfortable with and to them is what they feel gives them the best opportunity to win. Whether that's actually true or not is irrelevant, their perception that that is true makes them play that way.


I am honestly lost for words here. We came to the conclusion that Toss do not need to deathball to win - they can actually also cannon rush and all in for the win!
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 23:51:38
November 30 2013 23:50 GMT
#162
wrong thread
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
December 01 2013 00:49 GMT
#163
Have he confirmed it outside of this interview?
Would hate to see him switch.. need that Terran hope!
The curse is real
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-01 01:31:53
December 01 2013 01:28 GMT
#164
wow hotbid is everywhere all the time ! xD

*burp*
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
December 01 2013 02:34 GMT
#165
"I feel very dirty already." lol

This will be fun to see what happens. Good luck copying Elfi hehe
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-01 08:39:08
December 01 2013 08:38 GMT
#166
im sorry but, this is hilarious
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
December 01 2013 09:10 GMT
#167
On November 30 2013 06:56 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2013 06:51 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On November 30 2013 06:27 Darkhoarse wrote:
Sjow always played with like 90 APM ish so maybe Protoss will be better for him

elfi is always top8 gm and hehave 80-100 apm depending matchup :D


elfi can up his clicks when the situation requires him to. He was rocking a solid 244 during one of his Dreamhack fights.


Was he pressing photon overcharge button like crazy in that fight? :D
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
December 01 2013 10:30 GMT
#168
On December 01 2013 11:34 TRaFFiC wrote:
"I feel very dirty already." lol

This will be fun to see what happens. Good luck copying Elfi hehe

What? Copying elfi?

elfi is one and only one true god
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Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
keglu
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland485 Posts
December 01 2013 10:51 GMT
#169
On December 01 2013 03:43 awesomoecalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that a 200/200 protoss deathball is stronger than a 200/200 bio army or 200/200 roach army. This is exactly the reason why protoss want to wait until 200/200 before they fight. All players try to play to their strengths which for protoss players is deathball vs. deathball.


1 Stalker is more expensive for the same supply than 1 marauder or 2 marines. Its way more expensive than a roach. Certain exceptions like capital ships and caster units aside, this pattern generally holds true for Protoss armies vs, Terran or Zerg armies. So that 200/200 Protoss army generally cost them a lot more than a 200/200 bioball or roach army, and if it wasn't better than them, that'd be hugely imbalanced.


Its depends on composition. Stalkers are expensive but zealots are cheaper and more popular in the matchup

cost per supply
marine=zealot
marauder<stalker
ghost>ht
medivac<=archon
viking>colossus



Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
December 01 2013 14:52 GMT
#170
Haha this interview. Fuck this is awesome, gl Sjow :D. His stream will be fun to watch.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
captainwaffles
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1050 Posts
December 01 2013 19:32 GMT
#171
Omfg I lost it when hotbid asked what toss he will study and he said elfi XD
https://x.com/CaptainWaffless
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
December 02 2013 08:57 GMT
#172
Protoss confirmed easy race. But he´ll regret it, when he starts meeting Efli and loses every PvP against him.
Green_25
Profile Joined June 2013
Great Britain696 Posts
December 02 2013 11:37 GMT
#173
He's on the opposite end of the spectrum as far as skill goes to Sjow, but I think Flash is another terran who should do this.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
December 02 2013 12:03 GMT
#174
On December 01 2013 19:51 keglu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 03:43 awesomoecalypse wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that a 200/200 protoss deathball is stronger than a 200/200 bio army or 200/200 roach army. This is exactly the reason why protoss want to wait until 200/200 before they fight. All players try to play to their strengths which for protoss players is deathball vs. deathball.


1 Stalker is more expensive for the same supply than 1 marauder or 2 marines. Its way more expensive than a roach. Certain exceptions like capital ships and caster units aside, this pattern generally holds true for Protoss armies vs, Terran or Zerg armies. So that 200/200 Protoss army generally cost them a lot more than a 200/200 bioball or roach army, and if it wasn't better than them, that'd be hugely imbalanced.


Its depends on composition. Stalkers are expensive but zealots are cheaper and more popular in the matchup

cost per supply
marine=zealot
marauder<stalker
ghost>ht
medivac<=archon
viking>colossus





Yet on a unit by unit basis individual Protoss units typically have really obvious flaws (for want of a better word). Colossi can be hit by air attacks and are pretty much glass cannons. HT are slow as hell. Zealots are melee. Stalkers have hardly any DPS. Archons have fairly short range, are bulky and get really messed up by Ghosts' EMPs. Etc etc. Protoss lategame army works because of the interaction of all the elements of the army making up for weaknesses of individual units.

Point is you can't just rely on supply-cost effective units in a "cheap" composition because you need a variety of units or you'll have at least one glaring weakness. You need to cover every element, which is expensive.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
December 02 2013 15:52 GMT
#175
He's streaming right now
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 02 2013 15:57 GMT
#176
I find it very difficult to believe that he'd get close to his Terran level with Protoss, but Classic proved me wrong so I guess Sjow might do the same. If someone still thinks Protoss is somehow "easy to play", though, said someone needs to wake up.
AdministratorBreak the chains
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
December 02 2013 16:03 GMT
#177
On December 03 2013 00:57 Zealously wrote:
I find it very difficult to believe that he'd get close to his Terran level with Protoss, but Classic proved me wrong so I guess Sjow might do the same. If someone still thinks Protoss is somehow "easy to play", though, said someone needs to wake up.


I agree. But this will be an interesting test. He is streaming right now, and in Gold.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12570 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-02 16:04:52
December 02 2013 16:03 GMT
#178
"Patchtoss" is a cool name I wonder if his perspective will change along the 30 days, since he'll obv start very pro-terran.

It's also an epic publicity job, hadn't thought of that at first^^
No will to live, no wish to die
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 02 2013 16:05 GMT
#179
Very strange to see a protoss logo next to Sjow in the streams section
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shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
December 02 2013 16:12 GMT
#180
wow he likes challenge :D
AKMU / IU
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