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ElBowser
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria6 Posts
November 27 2013 21:58 GMT
#81
Didn´t EGXeno win a Tournament? ... With like 10 000 dollars first place? Wouldn´t one count that as Premier Tournament? I mean, IEM Singapur has less money for first prize if I recall correctly.
BadAim
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway879 Posts
November 27 2013 21:59 GMT
#82
Bahaha, ha... ha... Im so sad right now... Fantastic write-up btw!
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 22:03:04
November 27 2013 22:02 GMT
#83
On November 28 2013 06:58 ElBowser wrote:
Didn´t EGXeno win a Tournament? ... With like 10 000 dollars first place? Wouldn´t one count that as Premier Tournament? I mean, IEM Singapur has less money for first prize if I recall correctly.


If I threw together a tournament with no prize money but with every player currently in GSL, it wouldn't be a major tournament per Liquipedia's definition but it sure as hell would be a lot harder to win than IEF.
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Siggen
Profile Joined November 2011
143 Posts
November 27 2013 22:05 GMT
#84
SjoW will prove every korean wrong!
i.of.the.storm
Profile Joined April 2009
United States795 Posts
November 27 2013 22:06 GMT
#85
On November 28 2013 04:52 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2013 04:51 Enema wrote:
Didn't Xenocider win that one Tournament?


You're welcome to consider this a major win, but I don't think many others will.


Xenocider is totally about to win WCG tho, #YouOnlyLiboOnce etc etc

I'd guess WCG is probably our best shot just due to the sheer number of foreigners there? How sick would it be if they all got together and planned sniper builds against the Koreans? A man can dream...
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Wampaibist
Profile Joined July 2010
United States478 Posts
November 27 2013 22:07 GMT
#86
idra needs to come outa retirement
Laryleprakon
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand9496 Posts
November 27 2013 22:08 GMT
#87
Gogo Korea!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 22:11:35
November 27 2013 22:09 GMT
#88
Xenocider saved the foreign world. TL writers are haters
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Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
November 27 2013 22:10 GMT
#89
On November 28 2013 06:45 Zealously wrote:
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On November 28 2013 06:40 Muffloe wrote:
On November 28 2013 06:24 sM.Zik wrote:
On November 28 2013 06:18 MrFUBAR wrote:
We're dead anyway.. They are one of the main reasons why SC2 is dieing as an E-sport. I've given up on Starcraft for this very reason. I hope you all find enjoyment though.
Cheers


Yeah, because broodwar was really a shitty eSport. I wonder where TeamLiquid.net come from, anybody know their past history?

imo sc2 has never been this fun to watch than how it is today.

Although I don't understand that. A foreginer has never won the GSL in sc2, but Grrr won an OSL in BW. An OSL.. in BW


BW was in a very different place in 2000 compared to SC2 in 2010. People essentially didn't know how to play Starcraft, whereas Starcraft II had a higher level of play right from the start.

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On November 28 2013 06:41 astray71 wrote:
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I think WCG 2013 is probably going to be the best chance for a foreigner champion. Only 3 Koreans are going: Parting, Soulkey and Sora


+ Show Spoiler +
That's a little like saying European teams would have a good chance at winning a basketball tournament because Miami Heat and LA Lakers are the only two American teams attending D:


Yes, that is a considerable point. But if you take it out of context if makes foreign BW sound quite good. And we still lack that really prestigious win. My bet to take that would then be Naniwa, if he could get favourable match ups while maintining a good mindset
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
November 27 2013 22:12 GMT
#90
Hots is a dam hard game
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 27 2013 22:17 GMT
#91
Nah, I don't think 1st place is so much different from the other top finishes, really. With 4 runner-ups in Premier events, the foreigners are perfectly fine.
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SearchYourself
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada4 Posts
November 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#92
This article was pretty uncalled for and doesn't really do anything but encourage a further gap in the love/relationship between fans and elitists of both sides. If there was a way to down vote this thread I would.
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felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
November 27 2013 22:22 GMT
#93
Nice write up. I especially like the shout out in the title to the Doomsday Clock.
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sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
November 27 2013 22:24 GMT
#94
my hopes for the foreigners are nani scarlett hasu and nerchio
I think they got a decent shot so go do it guys (and girls) :D
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mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
November 27 2013 22:24 GMT
#95
On November 28 2013 06:27 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2013 06:18 MrFUBAR wrote:
We're dead anyway.. They are one of the main reasons why SC2 is dieing as an E-sport. I've given up on Starcraft for this very reason. I hope you all find enjoyment though.
Cheers


Yeah I'm of the opinion that Koreans should stop winning in LoL as well so that at least one game can stop dying. With how quickly LoL's popularity is waning, I think we've got more than enough proof that one particular country being really good at a game kills it quickly, just like what happened with Brood War.

That's an extremely bad comparison, considering 90% of Premier LoL tournaments are region-locked. The teams from the different regions don't meet often at all in LoL...every region has their own professional league in which they play. That's why the World Championship was such a huge and unique event. We don't have that in SC2 - every tournament is international.

On November 28 2013 06:58 ElBowser wrote:
Didn´t EGXeno win a Tournament? ... With like 10 000 dollars first place? Wouldn´t one count that as Premier Tournament? I mean, IEM Singapur has less money for first prize if I recall correctly.

The tournament Xeno won was definitely not a premier tournament. In fact, Korean pros were not even allowed to participate. He just had to play a random Korean amateur no one has ever heard of, + ret and welmu to win the $10,000. A large prizepool doesn't make an event 'Premier' - you need player quality, production quality etc.


Jim, MacSed and Sen might have a small chance at defeating PartinG, Sora and Soulkey, depending on the match ups. It's surprising how people quickly forget how good some of these players are, just because they don't have a Korean flag. Jim is probably top 10 Protoss in the world, and you can never count Sen out.

A foreign victory in IEM Singapore is extremely, extremely unlikely, though I will definitely be rooting for Happy because he's a great player to watch and I'm still mad he didn't win that series against HyuN at HSC.

ASUS ROG might have a foreigner make a long run. There are a lot of high calibre foreigners who have a chance of knocking out Koreans, but even if a foreigner makes it to the finals against a Korean, they'll 99.9% lose because of the pressure of a Bo7, and in a long series it's virtually impossible for even the best foreigners to win against titans like JD, MMA or Innovation.

DreamHack - foreigners have absolutely no chance. Unless NaNiwa turns super saiyan once again.
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Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
November 27 2013 22:26 GMT
#96
Stephano needs to come back and save us
MasterSmurf
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany30 Posts
November 27 2013 22:30 GMT
#97
Scarlett would deserve a win!
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 22:36:13
November 27 2013 22:30 GMT
#98
I think the bigger Doomsday is that in 2012 there were 42 Premier events and in 2013 - 33 + 4 remaining. Hopefully the new WCS system for 2014 will help to stop such trend of decline and get back to the former activity levels.

p.s. the slight decrease of the number of Premier events is somewhat related to the topic of no foreigners winning them, because with fewer events, there are fewer chances for such a - usually miraculous - thing to happen. Moreover, with fewer events, "everybody" goes to all of them (figuratively) so the competition is harder for foreigners to sneak in a win.
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GoodSirTets
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada200 Posts
November 27 2013 22:32 GMT
#99
Welp....
High Diamond/ Low Masters :^)
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
November 27 2013 22:35 GMT
#100
On November 28 2013 07:24 sVnteen wrote:
my hopes for the foreigners are nani scarlett hasu and nerchio
I think they got a decent shot so go do it guys (and girls) :D

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