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calh
Profile Joined March 2013
537 Posts
December 02 2013 16:10 GMT
#261
On December 03 2013 00:51 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 00:43 Dingodile wrote:
On December 02 2013 23:00 Sejanus wrote:
On December 02 2013 01:05 tredogz wrote:
threaten to.... it is already over. Koreans are not at all fun to watch for me. They killed this game for me. ded


I bet you wouldn't even recognize whether it's Korean playing or not from just watching a pro game with no casters. So stop pretending. Maybe you were never interested in the actual game to begin with.

Exactly this is the reason. Except the top10 players worldwide.
It is actually Blizzard's mistake that 99% of top level games are looking pretty boring. It looks rather that making correct units is stronger than the (true) skills of players. Especially in TvP who unit composition is more important than everything else.
Many spells are too strong and have bad design, FF, EMP and fungal are there to prevent micro from opponent. It should be exactly the opposite.
It's somewhat weird that 200 vs 200 shows the most boring fights and moments of the games. 150 vs 150 or 100 vs 100 are a lot better.

Don't spells increase micro? I mean storm dodging, templar control etc.

I think caster micro, especially AOE spells, is more about positioning and timing, whereas basic unit micro depends mostly on pure speed and accuracy. Arguably the former require less natural mechanical talent/less repetitive training, and thus more friendly to the stereotypical foreigner.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-02 17:03:07
December 02 2013 16:57 GMT
#262
On December 03 2013 00:43 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 23:00 Sejanus wrote:
On December 02 2013 01:05 tredogz wrote:
threaten to.... it is already over. Koreans are not at all fun to watch for me. They killed this game for me. ded


I bet you wouldn't even recognize whether it's Korean playing or not from just watching a pro game with no casters. So stop pretending. Maybe you were never interested in the actual game to begin with.

Exactly this is the reason. Except the top10 players worldwide.
It is actually Blizzard's mistake that 99% of top level games are looking pretty boring. It looks rather that making correct units is stronger than the (true) skills of players. Especially in TvP who unit composition is more important than everything else.
Many spells are too strong and have bad design, FF, EMP and fungal are there to prevent micro from opponent. It should be exactly the opposite.
It's somewhat weird that 200 vs 200 shows the most boring fights and moments of the game. 150 vs 150 or 100 vs 100 are a lot better and more interesting.

edit: From a research study in USA: Someone invited 24 people to watch a movie. Before the movie, 12 people were told that the movie will be showed in HD Quality. After the movie: the same 12 said that the movie was in HD, other 12 said "no" or "I don't know". Reality: The movie was NOT in HD.


Well EMP was impossible to dodge in BW. Neither was plague, spawned broodlings, Ensnare etc... And BW was more micro intensive than SC2.

SC2 spells ARE pushing for the player to micro.

I don't get the bad design. They are quite similar to BW (i said quite) and no one complain about design in that game (except for TvP and vultures)

+ Show Spoiler [For example] +

It's quite the same

EMP => Same as BW but different unit (also does less damage). EMP could one shot the shield of a nexus.
Fungal => It's a mix between ensnare and plague. Ensnare was almost rooting units.
Storm => Same but less damage.
Nuke (if it's a spell) => Same but less damage.
Abduct => this is new
Blinding cloud => Reverse dark swarm
Feedback => Feedback but on other unit.


You can dodge a fungal. You can dodge EMP (more difficult) and you can also micro templar to get feedback. Spells are not really part of the terrible terrible damage in SC2. Spells does not instant kill your armies like Storm in BW or that "FFFFFF" iradiate
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idscy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States256 Posts
December 02 2013 22:56 GMT
#263
On December 03 2013 01:57 FFW_Rude wrote:

You can dodge a fungal. You can dodge EMP (more difficult) and you can also micro templar to get feedback. Spells are not really part of the terrible terrible damage in SC2. Spells does not instant kill your armies like Storm in BW or that "FFFFFF" iradiate


I've seen "FFFFF iradiate" a few times, but I am an ignorant blasphemer who never played bw. Could you enlighten me as to the inside meaning?

Is it a hotkey or a 'F U' or fuuuuccccccccckkkkkk thing or what.

FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
December 03 2013 10:29 GMT
#264
On December 03 2013 07:56 idscy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 01:57 FFW_Rude wrote:

You can dodge a fungal. You can dodge EMP (more difficult) and you can also micro templar to get feedback. Spells are not really part of the terrible terrible damage in SC2. Spells does not instant kill your armies like Storm in BW or that "FFFFFF" iradiate


I've seen "FFFFF iradiate" a few times, but I am an ignorant blasphemer who never played bw. Could you enlighten me as to the inside meaning?

Is it a hotkey or a 'F U' or fuuuuccccccccckkkkkk thing or what.



Hahaha It was the second :p
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Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
December 04 2013 12:21 GMT
#265
That last sentence sounded like whine.

TBH I was really surprised how good 2012 was for foreigners. 2012 was a fluke, 2013 is a return to normality. After all how popular is SC2 now in the "rest of the world"? My masters league turned to gold league now and I can barely make a mistake there without losing the game. My guess is A LOT of people quit to other easier games. Don't worry just yet, the last expansion will bring them back. But after that, foreign scene will die out and in like 7 years we will only see Koreans everywhere like it was in BW.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 12:24:59
December 04 2013 12:24 GMT
#266
On December 04 2013 21:21 Reasonable wrote:
That last sentence sounded like whine.

TBH I was really surprised how good 2012 was for foreigners. 2012 was a fluke, 2013 is a return to normality. After all how popular is SC2 now in the "rest of the world"? My masters league turned to gold league now and I can barely make a mistake there without losing the game. My guess is A LOT of people quit to other easier games. Don't worry just yet, the last expansion will bring them back. But after that, foreign scene will die out and in like 7 years we will only see Koreans everywhere like it was in BW.


Well you can't compare with Brood War because in order to compete with Koreans you would have been obliged to move to Korea which was expensive as they had no salary back then. Today it's much "easier" because there is a lot of tournament and all people can go wherever they like.

I'm all for the Korean but you can't campre it like that.
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Rasias
Profile Joined November 2013
Germany51 Posts
December 07 2013 00:10 GMT
#267
One Minute to Midnight.. Scarlett and Vortix in Ro8 at ROG.. There is still some hope.
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
December 07 2013 01:20 GMT
#268
No, there is another
~ ~ <°)))><~ ~ ~
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
December 07 2013 01:24 GMT
#269
There is a chance!
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 07 2013 01:24 GMT
#270
On December 04 2013 21:24 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 21:21 Reasonable wrote:
That last sentence sounded like whine.

TBH I was really surprised how good 2012 was for foreigners. 2012 was a fluke, 2013 is a return to normality. After all how popular is SC2 now in the "rest of the world"? My masters league turned to gold league now and I can barely make a mistake there without losing the game. My guess is A LOT of people quit to other easier games. Don't worry just yet, the last expansion will bring them back. But after that, foreign scene will die out and in like 7 years we will only see Koreans everywhere like it was in BW.


Well you can't compare with Brood War because in order to compete with Koreans you would have been obliged to move to Korea which was expensive as they had no salary back then. Today it's much "easier" because there is a lot of tournament and all people can go wherever they like.

I'm all for the Korean but you can't campre it like that.


Um guys who moved to Korea really couldn't compete man even if they were invited and making in BW was really really hard for a number of factors.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
December 07 2013 01:47 GMT
#271
I think Elfi winning this tournament would be a bigger cataclysm than a korean winning it.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
December 07 2013 02:04 GMT
#272
The clock is running short, Scarlett, Elfi, and Vortix are all that remains to stem the ever growing tide of Korean dominance. Will our heroes succeed in defending the hopes of millions? Or will the empire that is Korea only increase its power. Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of Dragon Ball Z!!!!
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9364 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-07 02:46:37
December 07 2013 02:43 GMT
#273
On December 03 2013 01:57 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 00:43 Dingodile wrote:
On December 02 2013 23:00 Sejanus wrote:
On December 02 2013 01:05 tredogz wrote:
threaten to.... it is already over. Koreans are not at all fun to watch for me. They killed this game for me. ded


I bet you wouldn't even recognize whether it's Korean playing or not from just watching a pro game with no casters. So stop pretending. Maybe you were never interested in the actual game to begin with.

Exactly this is the reason. Except the top10 players worldwide.
It is actually Blizzard's mistake that 99% of top level games are looking pretty boring. It looks rather that making correct units is stronger than the (true) skills of players. Especially in TvP who unit composition is more important than everything else.
Many spells are too strong and have bad design, FF, EMP and fungal are there to prevent micro from opponent. It should be exactly the opposite.
It's somewhat weird that 200 vs 200 shows the most boring fights and moments of the game. 150 vs 150 or 100 vs 100 are a lot better and more interesting.

edit: From a research study in USA: Someone invited 24 people to watch a movie. Before the movie, 12 people were told that the movie will be showed in HD Quality. After the movie: the same 12 said that the movie was in HD, other 12 said "no" or "I don't know". Reality: The movie was NOT in HD.


Well EMP was impossible to dodge in BW. Neither was plague, spawned broodlings, Ensnare etc... And BW was more micro intensive than SC2.

SC2 spells ARE pushing for the player to micro.

I don't get the bad design. They are quite similar to BW (i said quite) and no one complain about design in that game (except for TvP and vultures)

+ Show Spoiler [For example] +

It's quite the same

EMP => Same as BW but different unit (also does less damage). EMP could one shot the shield of a nexus.
Fungal => It's a mix between ensnare and plague. Ensnare was almost rooting units.
Storm => Same but less damage.
Nuke (if it's a spell) => Same but less damage.
Abduct => this is new
Blinding cloud => Reverse dark swarm
Feedback => Feedback but on other unit.


You can dodge a fungal. You can dodge EMP (more difficult) and you can also micro templar to get feedback. Spells are not really part of the terrible terrible damage in SC2. Spells does not instant kill your armies like Storm in BW or that "FFFFFF" iradiate


EMP was never as important in BW as it is in Sc2. Engaging in TvP vs Collosus + HT is super super difficult as a small misposition or micromistake can cost you the game. Thus, we see all the deathball dancing instead of real battles.

Psy storm is a fantastic ability, but EMP vs Psy Storm is ruining the matchup. IMO the game would be much better if Psy storm DPS was nerfed a bit (80 damage over 5 seconds instead of over 4 seconds), and then the Ghost's ability were completely redesigned.

That would create a very fun bio vs Storm micro in a more balanced and fair way.


Rasias
Profile Joined November 2013
Germany51 Posts
December 07 2013 09:57 GMT
#274
On December 07 2013 10:20 TheFish7 wrote:
No, there is another


That was decided after my post
But i don't think Elfi can do it.
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-07 20:26:41
December 07 2013 20:18 GMT
#275
[image loading]

Will our heroine manage to defuse the bomb with 1 minute remaining....
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
OboeDude
Profile Joined May 2011
United States15 Posts
December 07 2013 20:21 GMT
#276
Sudden plot twist!
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
December 07 2013 20:23 GMT
#277
On December 08 2013 05:18 iHirO wrote:
[image loading]

Will our heroine manage to defuse the bomb with 1 minute remaining....


Shit is about to go down
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
December 07 2013 20:24 GMT
#278
On December 08 2013 05:18 iHirO wrote:
[image loading]

Will our heroine manage to defuse the bomb with 1 minute remaining....

I like how you blocked out any potential mention of VortiX haha
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iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
December 07 2013 20:27 GMT
#279
On December 08 2013 05:24 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2013 05:18 iHirO wrote:
[image loading]

Will our heroine manage to defuse the bomb with 1 minute remaining....

I like how you blocked out any potential mention of VortiX haha



Haha fixed.
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
December 07 2013 22:00 GMT
#280
[image loading]
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
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