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calh
537 Posts
On December 03 2013 00:51 Darkhoarse wrote: Don't spells increase micro? I mean storm dodging, templar control etc. I think caster micro, especially AOE spells, is more about positioning and timing, whereas basic unit micro depends mostly on pure speed and accuracy. Arguably the former require less natural mechanical talent/less repetitive training, and thus more friendly to the stereotypical foreigner. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 03 2013 00:43 Dingodile wrote: Exactly this is the reason. Except the top10 players worldwide. It is actually Blizzard's mistake that 99% of top level games are looking pretty boring. It looks rather that making correct units is stronger than the (true) skills of players. Especially in TvP who unit composition is more important than everything else. Many spells are too strong and have bad design, FF, EMP and fungal are there to prevent micro from opponent. It should be exactly the opposite. It's somewhat weird that 200 vs 200 shows the most boring fights and moments of the game. 150 vs 150 or 100 vs 100 are a lot better and more interesting. edit: From a research study in USA: Someone invited 24 people to watch a movie. Before the movie, 12 people were told that the movie will be showed in HD Quality. After the movie: the same 12 said that the movie was in HD, other 12 said "no" or "I don't know". Reality: The movie was NOT in HD. Well EMP was impossible to dodge in BW. Neither was plague, spawned broodlings, Ensnare etc... And BW was more micro intensive than SC2. SC2 spells ARE pushing for the player to micro. I don't get the bad design. They are quite similar to BW (i said quite) and no one complain about design in that game (except for TvP and vultures) + Show Spoiler [For example] + It's quite the same EMP => Same as BW but different unit (also does less damage). EMP could one shot the shield of a nexus. Fungal => It's a mix between ensnare and plague. Ensnare was almost rooting units. Storm => Same but less damage. Nuke (if it's a spell) => Same but less damage. Abduct => this is new Blinding cloud => Reverse dark swarm Feedback => Feedback but on other unit. You can dodge a fungal. You can dodge EMP (more difficult) and you can also micro templar to get feedback. Spells are not really part of the terrible terrible damage in SC2. Spells does not instant kill your armies like Storm in BW or that "FFFFFF" iradiate  | ||
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idscy
United States256 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:57 FFW_Rude wrote: You can dodge a fungal. You can dodge EMP (more difficult) and you can also micro templar to get feedback. Spells are not really part of the terrible terrible damage in SC2. Spells does not instant kill your armies like Storm in BW or that "FFFFFF" iradiate I've seen "FFFFF iradiate" a few times, but I am an ignorant blasphemer who never played bw. Could you enlighten me as to the inside meaning? Is it a hotkey or a 'F U' or fuuuuccccccccckkkkkk thing or what. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 03 2013 07:56 idscy wrote: I've seen "FFFFF iradiate" a few times, but I am an ignorant blasphemer who never played bw. Could you enlighten me as to the inside meaning? Is it a hotkey or a 'F U' or fuuuuccccccccckkkkkk thing or what. Hahaha It was the second :p | ||
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Reasonable
Ukraine1432 Posts
TBH I was really surprised how good 2012 was for foreigners. 2012 was a fluke, 2013 is a return to normality. After all how popular is SC2 now in the "rest of the world"? My masters league turned to gold league now and I can barely make a mistake there without losing the game. My guess is A LOT of people quit to other easier games. Don't worry just yet, the last expansion will bring them back. But after that, foreign scene will die out and in like 7 years we will only see Koreans everywhere like it was in BW. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On December 04 2013 21:21 Reasonable wrote: That last sentence sounded like whine. TBH I was really surprised how good 2012 was for foreigners. 2012 was a fluke, 2013 is a return to normality. After all how popular is SC2 now in the "rest of the world"? My masters league turned to gold league now and I can barely make a mistake there without losing the game. My guess is A LOT of people quit to other easier games. Don't worry just yet, the last expansion will bring them back. But after that, foreign scene will die out and in like 7 years we will only see Koreans everywhere like it was in BW. Well you can't compare with Brood War because in order to compete with Koreans you would have been obliged to move to Korea which was expensive as they had no salary back then. Today it's much "easier" because there is a lot of tournament and all people can go wherever they like. I'm all for the Korean but you can't campre it like that. | ||
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Rasias
Germany51 Posts
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 04 2013 21:24 FFW_Rude wrote: Well you can't compare with Brood War because in order to compete with Koreans you would have been obliged to move to Korea which was expensive as they had no salary back then. Today it's much "easier" because there is a lot of tournament and all people can go wherever they like. I'm all for the Korean but you can't campre it like that. Um guys who moved to Korea really couldn't compete man even if they were invited and making in BW was really really hard for a number of factors. | ||
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Popkiller
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9364 Posts
On December 03 2013 01:57 FFW_Rude wrote: Well EMP was impossible to dodge in BW. Neither was plague, spawned broodlings, Ensnare etc... And BW was more micro intensive than SC2. SC2 spells ARE pushing for the player to micro. I don't get the bad design. They are quite similar to BW (i said quite) and no one complain about design in that game (except for TvP and vultures) + Show Spoiler [For example] + It's quite the same EMP => Same as BW but different unit (also does less damage). EMP could one shot the shield of a nexus. Fungal => It's a mix between ensnare and plague. Ensnare was almost rooting units. Storm => Same but less damage. Nuke (if it's a spell) => Same but less damage. Abduct => this is new Blinding cloud => Reverse dark swarm Feedback => Feedback but on other unit. You can dodge a fungal. You can dodge EMP (more difficult) and you can also micro templar to get feedback. Spells are not really part of the terrible terrible damage in SC2. Spells does not instant kill your armies like Storm in BW or that "FFFFFF" iradiate EMP was never as important in BW as it is in Sc2. Engaging in TvP vs Collosus + HT is super super difficult as a small misposition or micromistake can cost you the game. Thus, we see all the deathball dancing instead of real battles. Psy storm is a fantastic ability, but EMP vs Psy Storm is ruining the matchup. IMO the game would be much better if Psy storm DPS was nerfed a bit (80 damage over 5 seconds instead of over 4 seconds), and then the Ghost's ability were completely redesigned. That would create a very fun bio vs Storm micro in a more balanced and fair way. | ||
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Rasias
Germany51 Posts
On December 07 2013 10:20 TheFish7 wrote: No, there is another That was decided after my post But i don't think Elfi can do it. | ||
iHirO
United Kingdom1381 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Q9tTVxf.png) Will our heroine manage to defuse the bomb with 1 minute remaining.... | ||
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OboeDude
United States15 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On December 08 2013 05:18 iHirO wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0v0MgYe.png) Will our heroine manage to defuse the bomb with 1 minute remaining.... Shit is about to go down | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On December 08 2013 05:18 iHirO wrote: Will our heroine manage to defuse the bomb with 1 minute remaining.... I like how you blocked out any potential mention of VortiX haha | ||
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iHirO
United Kingdom1381 Posts
On December 08 2013 05:24 The_Templar wrote: I like how you blocked out any potential mention of VortiX haha Haha fixed. | ||
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iHirO
United Kingdom1381 Posts
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