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holladoub
Canada32 Posts
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
Can we please make this the soundtrack when there is just 1 tournament aka 60 seconds for a foreigner left to win a thing? Will there be a hero for the foreign scene? One man and his gun to stand against the invasion of koreans? One Girl against the odds? Who blinks first? | ||
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Hypertension
United States802 Posts
On November 28 2013 08:11 figq wrote: Hm, I always thought he was masterminding the undeserved promotion of foreigners to gain them more viewers actually. I think he made a good point about this in a long ago interview: Many of the invited foreign players show poor games and are knocked out quickly. Taking this into consideration, aren't some of the Korean players or teams unhappy with the increased foreign seeds? The teams and players have no qualms. If you think about it the other way, Korean players already receive a higher number of seeds, and better placed seeds as well in foreign tournaments. It's the same principle as how foreign players don't have any complaints about that (although, I guess there may be some discontent?). If I can use the World Cup as an example, it might be easier to explain. If the World Cup went purely by FIFA rankings, Korea would never be able to play, and it would have become a tournament that only South America and Europe enjoyed. We don't want GSL to only establish itself as a Korean national league. We want to offer an incentive for foreign players to come to Korea, if they should ever have the opportunity. I think if they use the opportunity to come here and take in Korean pro-gaming culture, then they can become stronger than they are now. GSL wants to provide those kind of opportunities. Also, I think that we were relatively successful at that last year. Two years ago, could you have imagined so many foreign players working with Korean teams and coming to Korea? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302134 | ||
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
"Even outside the holy trinity of foreigners, others like Snute, Grubby, TLO and Goswser showed they could get hot and make deep runs." | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
On November 28 2013 05:06 Redrot wrote: Who cares? Koreans are better, this has been established. I don't get the point of the article, what it is trying to argue. Hyping how bad we all are =[ | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
On November 28 2013 08:53 Smurfett3 wrote: how did goswser get put in the same sentence as those other players? "Even outside the holy trinity of foreigners, others like Snute, Grubby, TLO and Goswser showed they could get hot and make deep runs." He got to the RO4 in a Dreamhack and looked REALLY good in that tournament. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_DreamHack_Open/Valencia | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On November 28 2013 08:53 Smurfett3 wrote: how did goswser get put in the same sentence as those other players? "Even outside the holy trinity of foreigners, others like Snute, Grubby, TLO and Goswser showed they could get hot and make deep runs." Top 8 Iron Squid, Top 4 DH Valencia, Top 8 ASUS ROG Summer. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On November 28 2013 04:29 stuchiu wrote: Given the track record of foreigners in 2013, it is a very real possibility that 2013 will become the single worst year for foreigners in the history of SC2. Hah, I find it funny that you even suggest this could be the worst year. Every year from now on is going to be worse than this year. 2-3 years from now it will be a big story when a foreigner makes it into a major tournament. | ||
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VanSCPurge
United States169 Posts
Also, Snute won a Redbull event did he not? Or do those not count? EDIT: And then there was ThorZain getting the first foreigner kill in Proleague in how long? | ||
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Jerom
Netherlands588 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 28 2013 09:01 VanSCPurge wrote: To be fair, Polt won WCS America twice, and he's like an adopted American. Also, Snute won a Redbull event did he not? Or do those not count? EDIT: And then there was ThorZain getting the first foreigner kill in Proleague in how long? That Thorzain hype in Proleague was kind of amusing, because it was followed shortly by Stephano getting a 6-3 record (and promptly leaving Korea), and Thorzain going 1-5 or something in total? On November 28 2013 09:07 Jerom wrote: I like it when koreans show that they are better. It's just a matter of time before people will accept it. You make it sound like there's a single person that thinks the best in the world aren't Koreans... | ||
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Efemral
Australia67 Posts
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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Spec
Taiwan931 Posts
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On November 28 2013 09:24 Efemral wrote: I agree with many people here. I think it will continue to be ever more Korean dominated. I think interest in the game is actually waning everywhere, but just waning slower in Korea (just a hunch). The non-Korean pool of talent is getting shallower as people leave to play something else. I actually think its waning faster in Korea. There are quite a bit more SC2 events in America and Europe than in Korea. I actually wonder in what state the Korean scene would be if it wasn't for foreign viewers / tournaments. | ||
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Taboo
Romania32 Posts
Nobody should participate in the 100m sprint race because Usain Bolt is winning every time? Koreans are also people like everybody else. I don't see any reason to think of them as different species. They only have more discipline and invest/sacrifice more for the game. For all I care, the only thing that matters is the skill level, not nationality. Italy may have the best pizza, France best cheese, Korea best starcraft players  | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 28 2013 04:44 Zealously wrote: Nope. Well, I suppose it depends on how you look at it. In terms of numbers, foreigners would still have won the least tournaments. But not all tournaments won by foreigners in 2012 had line-ups even remotely comparable to almost every single one of this year's tournaments. It's supposed to get harder and harder. On November 28 2013 09:07 Jerom wrote: I like it when koreans show that they are better. It's just a matter of time before people will accept it. They're already accepted it. They just don't like it. There is a difference between the two. It is possible to have the best of both worlds you just have to get rid of the love affair with the current group stages. One season per year. Every player plays everyone else. Several times. You still have your major circuit. Viola. Everyone wins and improves. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On November 28 2013 09:44 Taboo wrote: I don't really care if Koreans win all the tournaments. I just want to see good games between the best players, koreans or foreigners. Nobody should participate in the 100m sprint race because Usain Bolt is winning every time? Koreans are also people like everybody else. I don't see any reason to think of them as different species. They only have more discipline and invest/sacrifice more for the game. For all I care, the only thing that matters is the skill level, not nationality. Italy may have the best pizza, France best cheese, Korea best starcraft players This is entertainment, though. Virtually every sport tries to foster talents outside of its core demographic because its simply good for business. Every top SC2 player being Korean doesn't affect the quality of play, but it does affect the interest sponsors are likely to have and, at the end of the day, it makes the pie smaller for those top players. That's why we should care: we need a healthy foreign scene to draw new people in. It might not matter to figure skating fans that Kim Yu-Na is Korean, but it sure as hell matters to figure skating. Same concept: it might not matter to SC fans that Scarlett is Canadian, but it certainly matters to the scene. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On November 28 2013 09:54 Parcelleus wrote: nationalism pffff Meh, its everywhere. Do you honestly believe BW would have been popular in Korea if the top 200 players where all Chinese? Or Swedish? Or American? Or, generally, if there was no good Korean player? | ||
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