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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11913 Posts
On November 28 2013 05:09 johnnyapplec wrote: But it was mainly foreigners with some unknown Koreans One could apply a similar description to most of the 'foreign success' that we saw in the past years. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
dzzzzzz... scarlett counts double at least | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2543 Posts
On November 28 2013 06:40 Muffloe wrote: Although I don't understand that. A foreginer has never won the GSL in sc2, but Grrr won an OSL in BW. An OSL.. in BW He won his OSL in 1999 or early 2000, the korean scene was just starting, you really can't compare. On November 28 2013 06:40 lowercase wrote: We need Jinro to come back and save the day. He made it further than any other foreigner in the GSL, Ro4 at one point. Again, can't compared the early sc2 scene to how it is today. The kespa switch changed a lot of things. | ||
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damoonwolf
France98 Posts
Many foreigner are not really professional. We say they are because they win money, but for be really a pro-gamer you need to hard train, you need coach, you need GH, and you need to be a real compétitor. Few day ago ElkY has parcicipated at a french webTV show. Damn this guy is a compétitor, he has go to korea whitout support, train hard ect... He has play some BW and sc2 game at the show, when he losing, he want revenge, he want play more, he don't rage, just play, train for become better. This is a compétitor, a man who has been a reel Starcraft pro-gamer I'm very disapoited when i look foreigner players who don't want play tournament because too much korean. Or want limitation of korean player. Or against player who say "i dont hard train because i don't want lose the fun of the game". Never professional sportman will speak like this. they are supposed to be pro-gamer, and talking and train like casual. Of course some foreigner are not like this, but too much few for sure. Foreigner players will win major tounament when they will are really professional and compétitor in their brain, and they will have reel pro structure with coach and gaming house, for help them to improve them skill and strategy. | ||
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
 He's a nice and super cool guy! | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 28 2013 07:49 damoonwolf wrote: Player who train 12 hours by day with coach and game house win all tounament? Many foreigner are not really professional. We say they are because they win money, but for be really a pro-gamer you need to hard train, you need coach, you need GH, and you need to be a real compétitor. Few day ago ElkY has parcicipated at a french webTV show. Damn this guy is a compétitor, he has go to korea whitout support, train hard ect... He has play some BW and sc2 game at the show, when he losing, he want revenge, he want play more, he don't rage, just play, train for become better. This is a compétitor, a man who has been a reel Starcraft pro-gamer I'm very disapoited when i look foreigner players who don't want play tournament because too much korean. Or want limitation of korean player. Or against player who say "i dont hard train because i don't want lose the fun of the game". Never professional sportman will speak like this. they are supposed to be pro-gamer, and talking and train like casual. Of course some foreigner are not like this, but too much few for sure. Foreigner players will win major tounament when they will are really professional and compétitor in their brain, and they will have reel pro structure with coach and gaming house, for help them to improve them skill and strategy. When Starcraft II is your life, it's not enough to just train hard if you're not winning. You need to eat and you need to have a place to sleep, among other things. If Starcraft II isn't paying enough, you can't continue playing competitively. I understand what you're saying and I think the fighting spirit among some foreigners is pitiful as well, but you can't just say that they need to "train harder" when the game and the money they can make from it dictates their lives. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 28 2013 07:50 slowbacontron wrote: Haha, this article makes Mr. Chae seem like a diabolical mastermind bent on seeing the death of foreigners in SC2 He's a nice and super cool guy!He is a nice and super cool guy....bent on masterminding the death of foreigners in SC2. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On November 28 2013 07:53 stuchiu wrote: Hm, I always thought he was masterminding the undeserved promotion of foreigners to gain them more viewers actually.He is a nice and super cool guy....bent on masterminding the death of foreigners in SC2. | ||
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bibilisk
France44 Posts
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CutTheEnemy
Canada373 Posts
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damoonwolf
France98 Posts
On November 28 2013 07:53 Zealously wrote: When Starcraft II is your life, it's not enough to just train hard if you're not winning. You need to eat and you need to have a place to sleep, among other things. If Starcraft II isn't paying enough, you can't continue playing competitively. I understand what you're saying and I think the fighting spirit among some foreigners is pitiful as well, but you can't just say that they need to "train harder" when the game and the money they can make from it dictates their lives. Yes of course, you are absolutly right, but this problem is not only for foreigner. Korean player have the same, many esF player or kespa B-teamer have don't pay by their team, and many of them have annonced their retirement recently. But the differences is korean have GH when they can live and eat. It's for this a speak also the the importance of team with coach and GH. But even with GH, them live are hard. Also, every player know sc2 is not easy money. When you become pro-gamer you know when you go, it's like proffesional tennisman, many of them dont win the money they need for pay a coach and their plane ticket for go to tournament. sc2 pro-gamer is a hard life. you train hard, make sacrifice, and if you don't become a Life, Innovation, Stephano or other great star of the game, you will win few money and gratitude. it's infortunately like this, and not really different that you are foreigner or korean. | ||
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damoonwolf
France98 Posts
On November 28 2013 08:19 damoonwolf wrote: Yes of course, you are absolutly right, but this problem is not only for foreigner. Korean player have the same, many esF player or kespa B-teamer have don't pay by their team, and many of them have annonced their retirement recently. But the differences is korean have GH when they can live and eat. It's for this a talking also about the importance of team with coach and GH. But even with GH, them live are hard. Also, every player know sc2 is not easy money. When you become pro-gamer you know when you go, it's like proffesional tennisman, many of them dont win the money they need for pay a coach and their plane ticket for go to tournament. sc2 pro-gamer is a hard life. you train hard, make sacrifice, and if you don't become a Life, Innovation, Stephano or other great star of the game, you will win few money and gratitude. it's infortunately like this, and not really different that you are foreigner or korean. | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
On November 28 2013 05:15 HeeroFX wrote: No i just don't have players I am interested in watching. I only care about events that have players I like to watch. That is resonable. I don't watch a TV show I don't like even if its suppose to be good. So the only or number one criteria for you to like a player is: Not a Korean. ? Seems borderline racist to me but hey the community sure aint gonna miss you when you're gone. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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Scarx
Germany49 Posts
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RESOqub
51 Posts
On November 28 2013 08:13 bibilisk wrote: Comparing foreigners to Koreans is like comparing platinum league to high GM. No, it's like comparing Bayern Munich to Tottenham Hotspur. Both are incredibly good but one is just that bit better. I would have said Real Madrid but Madrid are bankrolled by the city so it doesn't really count. | ||
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