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Waxangel
United States33487 Posts
 Woongjin_sOssOs talked about his thoughts on being called creative, his relationship with Dear, and whether or not he's the best player in the world. Also, some kind words for his fan NaNiwa! SKT_PartinGPartinG talks about joining SKT and gaining 24kg in weight, getting over his HotS slump, and his burning desire to entertain everyone like a mofo. Choo-Choo! 
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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DeathDyingDoomKiller
Canada91 Posts
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GhoSt[shield]
Canada2131 Posts
edit: OMG the sOs banner/poster on the right just stares into your soul | ||
Noam
Israel2209 Posts
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
I think one could make a really good argument that Mvp was the best player in the world for quite some time in 2011, but sOs right now? Ehhhhh.... | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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juvenal
2448 Posts
On November 24 2013 16:44 Blargh wrote: I'll be honest here... Red Bull Battle Grounds is not exactly a top-tier tournament in terms of player lineup... Plus, it's only 8 players. The matches at Blizzcon were not impressive enough for me to consider the winner "best player in the world", but they are at least up there. I think one could make a really good argument that Mvp was the best player in the world for quite some time in 2011, but sOs right now? Ehhhhh.... by contradiction: who is? Turns out big tournaments are the best 'somewhat objective' way to determine top1 atm, Shy has won the biggest. | ||
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Doc Brawler
United States260 Posts
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YesEvil
Australia44 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On November 24 2013 17:12 YesEvil wrote: If sOs can take out dreamhack and this, then continue to take the first Code S of next year then I would say he has been the best* player in the world for a few months. *Fixed that for you | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
On November 24 2013 17:12 YesEvil wrote: If sOs can take out dreamhack and this, then continue to take the first Code S of next year then I would say he has been the top player in the world for a few months. Lol who has ever done that in starcraft 2 by those standards? By the way he's playing, it seems it's either him or Dear at the moment. No one else is showing top form like those 2 recently, going by results I would absolutely say he is the best in the world right now. If someone else makes an amazing run, we'd have to reconsider but right now sOs is on the throne until someone proves otherwise. | ||
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kisoso
Bulgaria105 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10682 Posts
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AxiomBlurr
786 Posts
Dear and sOs both rising to great heights...far from a coincidink.. It is sooo cool how sOs plays this game though...Dear plays like Rain on crack (a great thing to behold) but sOs as he said...has his own style!!~~ | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
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ETisME
12521 Posts
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On November 24 2013 16:44 Blargh wrote: I'll be honest here... Red Bull Battle Grounds is not exactly a top-tier tournament in terms of player lineup... Plus, it's only 8 players. The matches at Blizzcon were not impressive enough for me to consider the winner "best player in the world", but they are at least up there. I think one could make a really good argument that Mvp was the best player in the world for quite some time in 2011, but sOs right now? Ehhhhh.... I personally found his games at Blizzcon very impressive. No matter who he was playing against, he always made it look easy. | ||
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saltis
159 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On November 24 2013 16:14 Zenbrez wrote: Gimme Hotbiiiiid He's doing Dota interviews at MLG  . | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On November 24 2013 19:57 saltis wrote: Its hard to tell the eligibility if sOs could be the best. As long as one race is not equally balanced with other races, it requires less skill to win. If we are looking for win ratio rather than skill requirement than Yes - sOs perhaps the best right now. you're implying that protoss is the ezamove race? I thought we got over that argument already | ||
shiroiusagi
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On November 24 2013 19:57 saltis wrote: Its hard to tell the eligibility if sOs could be the best. As long as one race is not equally balanced with other races, it requires less skill to win. If we are looking for win ratio rather than skill requirement than Yes - sOs perhaps the best right now. lol | ||
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saltis
159 Posts
On November 24 2013 20:01 gobbledydook wrote: you're implying that protoss is the ezamove race? I thought we got over that argument already If only one Terran gets into quarter-final and only one Zerg gets into semi-final , than its obvious - something wrong with the balance. If there are 2x more Toss players in global GM than Terran, its obvious its something wrong with the balance (btw, im not bias, im zerg player) If Terran gosu player knows from the beginning (not even talking about ladder players) about all-in blinkers+msc and still cannot defend on the opposite side of the map - its something wrong with the balance. To counter blinkers all-in require static defences which is not a professional play. Static defences do not contribute neither for army , neither for economy and it doesn't allow for counter attack. And if for some dumbness Terran decides to counter Toss, he will get 0 apm 940 dmg from Nexus overcharge. User was warned for this post | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 24 2013 20:22 saltis wrote: If only one Terran gets into quarter-final and only one Zerg gets into semi-final , than its obvious - something wrong with the balance. If there are 2x more Toss players in global GM than Terran, its obvious its something wrong with the balance (btw, im not bias, im zerg player) If Terran gosu player knows from the beginning (not even talking about ladder players) about all-in blinkers+msc and still cannot defend on the opposite side of the map - its something wrong with the balance. To counter blinkers all-in require static defences which is not a professional play. Static defences do not contribute neither for army , neither for economy and it doesn't allow for counter attack. lol'd. Seriously lol'd. I will just tell that you cannot know about blink all-in from beginning of game :D | ||
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covetousrat
2109 Posts
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SpaceCow
Germany21 Posts
On November 24 2013 19:57 saltis wrote: Its hard to tell the eligibility if sOs could be the best. As long as one race is not equally balanced with other races, it requires less skill to win. If we are looking for win ratio rather than skill requirement than Yes - sOs perhaps the best right now. sOs actually wins his games with good strategies, that innvolve a lot of harrassment, and great decision making (and more often than not, flawless execution of said strategies. He's far from being and "a-move" Protoss. Even I as Terran (which is often said to be the super mega skill0r race) have to admit that sOs simply is better than most players. If Jaedong had won that final series against sOs, would Zerg be overpowered? Edit: Oh and regarding "there are two times as many global GM Protosses as Terrans"... 8 out of the 16 top WCS players were Terran. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On November 24 2013 16:44 Blargh wrote: I'll be honest here... Red Bull Battle Grounds is not exactly a top-tier tournament in terms of player lineup... Plus, it's only 8 players. The matches at Blizzcon were not impressive enough for me to consider the winner "best player in the world", but they are at least up there. I think one could make a really good argument that Mvp was the best player in the world for quite some time in 2011, but sOs right now? Ehhhhh.... wow sOs has to get 200 titles while some players just need to place high in a few foreign tourney or dominate teamleague to be considered the best. Guess thats fair... | ||
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saltis
159 Posts
On November 24 2013 20:26 SpaceCow wrote: sOs actually wins his games with good strategies, that innvolve a lot of harrassment, and great decision making (and more often than not, flawless execution of said strategies. He's far from being and "a-move" Protoss. Even I as Terran (which is often said to be the super mega skill0r race) have to admit that sOs simply is better than most players. If Jaedong had won that final series against sOs, would Zerg be overpowered? Edit: Oh and regarding "there are two times as many global GM Protosses as Terrans"... 8 out of the 16 top WCS players were Terran. I do not say Toss players are bad players. What i can blatantly state that Blizzard trying to cover toss race design flaw by buffing and artificially helping to win tourneys RATHER of making Toss more flexible - more micro/macro capability race to play. Currently Toss player have no mechanics to play at the same level micro/macro games as other races , therefore traditionally they were doomed not to win tourneys at the highest level. | ||
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Azelja
Japan762 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On November 24 2013 20:32 saltis wrote: Currently Toss player have no mechanics to play at the same level micro/macro games as other races , therefore traditionally they were doomed not to win tourneys at the highest level Words like `therefore`are usually reserved for arguments based on logic/reasoning. I guess you painted over the memo with your broad brush. On November 24 2013 20:22 saltis wrote: To counter blinkers all-in require static defences which is not a professional play. lol | ||
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
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Cartman_
119 Posts
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holmesgenius
Vietnam65 Posts
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Bizeheryer
Germany307 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Champi
1422 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On November 24 2013 16:27 Noam wrote: Silly sOs, you were already the best in the world when you won WCS. For real, I don't understand why people are so concerned about the topic... He already won the tournament that matters... | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
Also, this tournament really isn't that stacked. MC is not in his prime for awhile now, Scarlett is also underperforming, so is Hyun so winning in such competition hardly makes you the best player in the world. Lets wait and see how sOs does in the next couple of months before declaring him the next zerg bonjwa. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On November 24 2013 20:26 Arceus wrote: wow sOs has to get 200 titles while some players just need to place high in a few foreign tourney or dominate teamleague to be considered the best. Guess thats fair... Standard TL nonsense. Remember Stephano was called the best in the world when he won foreign tournaments the same time Nestea did a flawless GSL run. | ||
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Salient
United States876 Posts
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
 Life is the best player in the world. Stork is the best player in the world. Flash is the best player in the world.Just deal with it. P.S. Thx for interviews! | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On November 24 2013 23:07 DiMano wrote: Life is the best player in the world. Stork is the best player in the world. Flash is the best player in the world.Just deal with it. that's cute. liked the one with sOs better! thanks for the interviews. | ||
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wrier
Canada291 Posts
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On November 24 2013 23:16 wrier wrote: if he wins this then follows it up next week with a strong performance at Dreamhack, I will say he is one of the best. I still think Dear is the best Protoss. I like how people forget about other players for example PartinG did not attend any big event but owned WCG and every online qualifiers he attented. | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
thx for the interviews | ||
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On November 24 2013 23:18 DiMano wrote: I like how people forget about other players for example PartinG did not attend any big event but owned WCG and every online qualifiers he attented. Parting failed to top 5 in the most recent GSL so wasn't at the season 3 finals, both tourneys won by Dear. He also didn't have the points to qualify for blizzcon so wasn't there either. There really isn't an argument for Parting as the best protoss atm. It's Dear and if not him it's sOs. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
On November 24 2013 23:43 Scarecrow wrote: Parting failed to top 5 in the most recent GSL so wasn't at the season 3 finals, both tourneys won by Dear. He also didn't have the points to qualify for blizzcon so wasn't there either. There really isn't an argument for Parting as the best protoss atm. It's Dear and if not him it's sOs. I don't think his argument was that PartinG was a top tier player, more that, the community quickly forgets about you if you aren't in the spotlight. While PartinG has had weak 2013 (by his standards), he is definetly still a top protoss and he is still very, very consistent. I think the next GSL will be his 8th consecutive. He is still quite good. | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
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DaRKMaTT3r
Brazil553 Posts
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
I enjoyed both of those interviews a lot, it's so good to see PartinG back <3 | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
On November 24 2013 23:16 wrier wrote: if he wins this then follows it up next week with a strong performance at Dreamhack, I will say he is one of the best. I still think Dear is the best Protoss. Wow, you don't even consider sOs "one of the best" yet? And to even get that, he needs to win Redbull and probably break into elimination rounds at Dreamhack? You're the owner of a stupid opinion, really not a whole lot else to say. The guy won WCS at BlizzCon, that right there should already earn him AT LEAST "one of the best." | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 25 2013 00:16 DaRKMaTT3r wrote: This subtitle style of interview looks way better than the standard esport realtime translations. Hopefully this will be a new trend in the new interviews to come. Problem is that it takes a more time than standard interviews. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 24 2013 23:59 Destructicon wrote: I don't think his argument was that PartinG was a top tier player, more that, the community quickly forgets about you if you aren't in the spotlight. While PartinG has had weak 2013 (by his standards), he is definetly still a top protoss and he is still very, very consistent. I think the next GSL will be his 8th consecutive. He is still quite good. No need to forget someone like him considering his body of work, which has actually been pretty good other than what happened in the GSL. He is more than capable of winning this thing. When it comes to the top five protoss of the day there's a lot of agreement. Doesn't matter where you'd place them exactly, but we know who the top protoss players are atm. | ||
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nunun
Denmark181 Posts
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FSKi
United States901 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
all bout sos partingu scarlett and BossTOSS | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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prOPOns
Germany60 Posts
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10132 Posts
On November 25 2013 02:19 Holdenintherye wrote: Wax, you introduced Parting as Startale Parting lol Spoiler alert! He is coming back to startale. + Show Spoiler + Ok maybe not.+ Show Spoiler + Or yes? | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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fx9
117 Posts
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
On November 25 2013 02:26 Godwrath wrote: Spoiler alert! He is coming back to startale. + Show Spoiler + Ok maybe not.+ Show Spoiler + Or yes? Accidental leak by Wax??? You heard it here first folks! | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 25 2013 02:36 LimeNade wrote: I know I'm probably being a bit OCD here but "We got a chance to talk to both the WCS 2013 and 2013 champions at Red Bull NYC." is driving me nuts. It is supposed to be the "WCS 2012 and 2013 champions" right? Not "WCS 2013 and 2013 champions" lol sorry I had to say something Might be WCG and WCS since Parting won WCS Korea and sOs won WCS. Might also be WCS 2012 and 2013 or WCG/WCS 2012 (Parting won both) and WCS 2013 - all three would work ^^ | ||
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astray71
United States325 Posts
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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LockeTazeline
2390 Posts
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On November 25 2013 02:39 Holdenintherye wrote: Accidental leak by Wax??? You heard it here first folks! no chance he goes to startale. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
No chance we even want him | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
hahaha | ||
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3459 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
Quite appropriate also, 2012 WCS World Champion vs 2013 WCS World Champion. | ||
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cpower
228 Posts
On November 24 2013 23:43 Scarecrow wrote: Parting failed to top 5 in the most recent GSL so wasn't at the season 3 finals, both tourneys won by Dear. He also didn't have the points to qualify for blizzcon so wasn't there either. There really isn't an argument for Parting as the best protoss atm. It's Dear and if not him it's sOs. there are only 5 players in Korea that have made to GSL top 16 every season in 2013: Innovation, Soulkey, Flash, Soo, Parting. Pretty impressive list, isn't it? He is still a top toss even in his down year. | ||
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LockeTazeline
2390 Posts
On November 25 2013 10:28 cpower wrote: there are only 5 players in Korea that have made to GSL top 16 every season in 2013: Innovation, Soulkey, Flash, Soo, Parting. Pretty impressive list, isn't it? He is still a top toss even in his down year. Technically, PartinG made it to the Ro8 in all GSLs this year. (lost in Ro16 in OSL) | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 25 2013 10:28 cpower wrote: there are only 5 players in Korea that have made to GSL top 16 every season in 2013: Innovation, Soulkey, Flash, Soo, Parting. Pretty impressive list, isn't it? He is still a top toss even in his down year. I don't think anyone is saying parting isn't a top toss. Just wouldn't say the best, I agree with the statement. I personally think Dear is the best protoss still. To me he is just a scarier player to me then sos. But maybe sos can change that around, for now though sos is obviously a really good protoss, I just find dear better still. | ||
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
priorities my friend  | ||
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mihajovics
179 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On November 25 2013 12:37 blade55555 wrote: I don't think anyone is saying parting isn't a top toss. Just wouldn't say the best, I agree with the statement. I personally think Dear is the best protoss still. To me he is just a scarier player to me then sos. But maybe sos can change that around, for now though sos is obviously a really good protoss, I just find dear better still. Yeah I want to give the edge to Dear, too, but it's all pretty close at the top. No clear #1 overall best. Just comes down to who is on their game that day | ||
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Moonsalt
267 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On November 25 2013 23:23 Moonsalt wrote: Dear, sOs arguably the best protosses in the world atm. Dear, sOs and PartinG: The three best protosses in the world atm. | ||
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LockeTazeline
2390 Posts
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cpower
228 Posts
On November 25 2013 12:37 blade55555 wrote: I don't think anyone is saying parting isn't a top toss. Just wouldn't say the best, I agree with the statement. I personally think Dear is the best protoss still. To me he is just a scarier player to me then sos. But maybe sos can change that around, for now though sos is obviously a really good protoss, I just find dear better still. I would give the edge to Dear too. I do think Parting is great at Bo3 which his aggressive style fits him the best. In a longer series, if one of his risky builds failed miserably, he tends to lose the composure a lot. We will see how he can improve on that this year. | ||
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ThisWillBEz
United States120 Posts
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CutTheEnemy
Canada373 Posts
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
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AxiomBlurr
786 Posts
On November 26 2013 03:56 CCa1ss1e wrote: Haha, thanks a lot.. love that PartinG interview. Makes me wish I knew another language.. would be awesome to be able to communicate with another culture so fluently. Seems like Korean would be a difficult language to master, though. Surprisingly - Korean (being a language isolate) is a relatively easy language to learn...one year and a half of study and working in Seoul and you will be able to speak and listen quite well...their alphabet is nice too...writing is harder than reading as the order of how each letter constructed is important when writing... Anyway it goes like this this in terms of learning asiatic languages: hardest to easiest (for native Indo European speakers). Mongol Cantonese Mandarin Thai Vietnamese Indonesian Japanese Korean According to Prof. John Mcwhorter (One of the world's leading linguists). | ||
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Neptooon
Estonia7 Posts
On November 25 2013 18:48 mihajovics wrote: just a reminder, the negation of a disjunction is a conjuction of negations, so just because he didn't win, doesn't mean he isn't the best.. The sentence "If I win Red Bull, I will be the best" is not a disjunction, it's an implication A→B, where A: sOs is the Red Bull champion and B: sOs is the best player in the world. Furthermore we're not negating the entire sentence, since the result of Red Bull doesn't mean that the implication is false, but that A is false. The implication only tells us that if A is true then so is B. B can be true even if A is false. So yes, he can still be the best player in the world. | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
Scarlett by the way looks absolutely stunning on that Red Bull backwall.  | ||
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