• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:51
CEST 04:51
KST 11:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon205.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes26Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch2[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)99
StarCraft 2
General
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Is the larve respawn broken? ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! INu's Battles#17 <BO.9>
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? BW General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool ProGamer Paychecks Story
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
[94721]Better Good-Health Signs Than 3-15 Bans/Yea TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9876 users

Red Bull NYC - Day 1 Preview

Forum Index > SC2 General
67 CommentsPost a Reply
Normal

Red Bull NYC - Day 1 Preview

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
November 22nd, 2013 23:40 GMT
2013 WCS

Red Bull Battle Grounds
New York City



Brackets and standings on
Liquipedia

Battle Grounds: Day 1 Preview

by Waxangel

Day one of Red Bull Battle Grounds New York will see the group stages played through. The groups will be played in the very familiar "GSL" style double-elimination, with the top two players from each group moving on to day two. Oh, there's a map with liquid hot magma on it, so that's kinda cool, too.

Group A: Bomber, Golden, Scarlett, PartinG

Starting Match 1: (T)ST_Bomber vs. (Z)ST_Golden

In the first match, the face of Red Bull eSports in Bomber goes up against his largely unheralded teammate in Golden. Bomber comes in with some great tournament results in 2013, having taken the WCS Season 2 championship and placing top four in the Global Finals at BlizzCon. On the other hand, Golden has barely done anything of note this year, except winning the a Red Bull Training Grounds. Bomber achieved those placements by beating the likes of Jaedong, Soulkey, and INnoVation—Golden won over players like Sound, Kane, and SeleCT.

While it does seem like this match is very lop-sided in Bomber's favor, there's at least a few factors to make it a little bit more interesting. First, off we haven't seen Golden in a tournament game in forever. His last recorded game was in September, and the one before that was in July. Golden could have improved or declined drastically in that time, and we'll just have to wait and see.

Also, many of Bomber's big TvZ victories in the past months were due to his somewhat unorthodox play. From early mass-marine pushes to marine-tank compositions in the end game, Bomber tried to get away from the predictable marine-mine-medivac compositions established by other Terrans. While Bomber's other opponents failed to adapt to this kind of play, Golden should be more used to such styles since he is Bomber's teammate.

[image loading]
No particular reason for using this picture. It's just a nice picture!

Starting Match 2: (Z)Acer.Scarlett vs. (P)SKT_PartinG

At the 2012 WCS Finals, ST_PartinG met rising North American star Scarlett in the Ro16 and sent her out of the tournament. Macro game, soul train, gateway all-in: 3 - 0. Since then, StarCraft 2 underwent a massive upheaval with HotS, PartinG joined SKT and vanished from foreign tournaments, and Scarlett made the pilgrimage to Korea to hone her skills.

The two have met again at a curious intersection in their careers. Scarlett is going through a rocky period after having a most impressive summer (notably with a top 4 finish in WCS AM Season 2), faring poorly against Korean-class opposition as of late. On the other hand, PartinG is finally gathering some momentum after a so-so (by his high standards) start to HotS. He didn't drop even a single map as he took home the $10,000 prize at Stars War 3, and toppled a series of formidable opponents in the TLMC qualifier for Red Bull NYC.

However, PartinG has shown a weakness against Zerg throughout all of HotS, a weakness that he's yet to cast off. His late game has looked weak in particular, and his eggs might all be in the all-in basket. Which brings us to our next topic...

We can't leave out the infamous Soul Train when talking about PartinG vs. Zerg. The initial hydra-ling meta of HotS forced many Protoss players to seal away immortal and sentry based all-ins, but trends have turned and turned to put it back in the Protoss rotation. Scarlett herself was a victim, losing to Oz's two consecutive Soul Trains to be eliminated from the previous season of WCS America. While Scarlett has recently shown some adeptness at stopping all-ins with a throwback lingfestor style, one has to wonder how she will fair against a cheese artisan like PartinG.

Winners Match and Beyond

Overall, PartinG looks to be the player favored to top the group. While his PvZ has been shaky, Golden and Scarlett haven't exactly shown Code S level ZvP. Meanwhile, Bomber's TvP has suffered as the SCV pull all-in has been figured out by Protoss players, and PartinG should be capable of taking him in either a macro game or with all-ins.

The key to Bomber vs. the Zergs will be what kind of style he chooses to use. He's been markedly more successful with his unorthodox, WoL-esque styles than he has been with the HotS standard of marine-mine. Now that Zerg expect him to play differently from other Terrans, will he adjust? And if he decides to stay the course, is his style strong enough to win without the surprise factor?

Predictions:
Bomber > Golden
PartinG > Scarlett
PartinG > Bomber
Scarlett > Golden
Scarlett > Bomber

PartinG and Scarlett advance

Group B: MC, Snute, sOs, HyuN

Starting Match 1: (P)SK_MC vs. (Z)Liquid`Snute

Eight players splitting a $50,000 prize? Of course MC was going to be there. However, in his current form, it's doubtful as to whether he's going to be collecting a check in the five figures. Forget the 18 month championship drought—just looking at his recent results gives you reason to worry. Eliminated by ToD and jjakji in the HSC Ro16. Eliminated by Maru in the Blizzcon Ro16. Eliminated by Dear in the WCS Season 3 Ro8. MC will be relieved to be playing a foreigner in his first match, but he may be surprised even in that match-up.

Snute returns from a month of training at the CJ Entus house in Korea, and his current skill level is shrouded in mystery. At his best, he was taking TaeJa to the brink in the HomeStory Cup finals, showing he was one of the best foreigners around. At his worst, he was playing like... well, a foreigner. Different people will give you different answers in terms of how much time you need to spend in Korea for it to actually start paying off. At Red Bull, we'll see what the answer is in Snute's case.

[image loading]
Is this what we're going to see from MC on day 2?

Starting Match 2: (P)Woongjin_sOs vs. (Z)Quantic_HyuN

If only because no one has any idea what the hell sOs is going to do, this match is a must-watch. The strategically brilliant sOs has always been an unpredictable player, but the current state of PvZ strategy has made the situation even more chaotic.

The thing is, people stopped using 'sOs-style' (let's very loosely define it as a style with quick void rays, a quick third, and heavily delayed robotics tech). After the WCS Season 3 finals in Canada, the three most visible proponents of the style in sOs, NaNiwa, and Dear all dropped it from their arsenal. And it's not like it was because they suffered crushing defeats in tournaments or anything like that. Between WCS S3 and Blizzcon, something happened that made them think it would be a better idea to do other strategies, whether it was blink all-ins, standard phoenix openers, or lots and lots of cannon rushes.

Whatever sOs has planned, he'll want to be sure it's expertly tuned. There's no messing around with HyuN, as he's the kind of exquisite macro player who will overrun you with mass units in a second if he notices any weaknesses in defense. In a way, HyuN is an excellent "test dummy" if sOs wants to see how his strategies will play against a very skilled, standard player—except this test dummy could very easily be the one wrecking him.

Winners Match and Beyond

It's weird to have both sOs and MC in this group, as both are players whose form varies wildly from tournament to tournament. When things are clicking for them, they're pretty much unstoppable. When their opponents can figure out what they're doing and adapt, they can fall flat on their faces. Throw in Snute, the foreigner we haven't seen for a month, into the mix and group situation becomes rather #dicey indeed. Strange as it may seem, if I had to pick just one player to make it through (regardless of whether it's in 1st or 2nd), I feel safest picking HyuN and his solid macro style. For everyone else, "will he be on his game?" looms as too big a question.

Predictions:
MC > Snute
sOs > HyuN
sOs > MC
HyuN > Snute
HyuN > MC

sOs and HyuN advance.

Writers: Waxangel.
Photos: silverfire.
Editor: Waxangel.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 23:51:21
November 22 2013 23:44 GMT
#2
Good write up. I'm looking forward to it.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
November 22 2013 23:45 GMT
#3
eeh, doubt that Bomber will lose vs Parting and Scarlett.
Nice Writeup!
TL+ Member
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 22 2013 23:47 GMT
#4
(notably with a top 4 finish at the WCS Season 2 finals in August)

top 8 i believe ;o top 4 in wcs am!
danteafk
Profile Joined May 2011
307 Posts
November 22 2013 23:57 GMT
#5
so hyped for tomorrow, sOs sOs sOs!

first live attendance at a tourney wub wub
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
November 22 2013 23:57 GMT
#6
Bomber/Scarlett
sOs/Hyun
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2475 Posts
November 22 2013 23:58 GMT
#7
3 zergs and 1 toss in the semis? Sounds likely but I'm still rooting for Bomber to take it home!

Honestly I could see Bomber + Parting + sOs + MC causing us to have 1T and 3P, although Hyun seems to be a strong zerg so I could see him taking out MC and thus having Bomber + Parting + sOs + Hyun as the final four.

Then Bomber and Hyun will lose and we'll see a PvP finals (yuck!)

Now, ideally I'd want a Bomber vs Hyun finals, that'd be sick!
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
November 22 2013 23:59 GMT
#8
It starts only tmr?? On Saturday.. Hmm. Anyway excited
DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
November 23 2013 00:07 GMT
#9
SNUUUUUUUTE
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
November 23 2013 00:12 GMT
#10
Bomber/PartinG
sOs/Hyun
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 23 2013 00:18 GMT
#11
PartinG/Bomber

sOs/Hyun
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
November 23 2013 00:20 GMT
#12
Gogo Bomber/PartinG and sOs/HyuN! Really excited to see sOs play again after Blizzcon finals.
vik7
Profile Joined May 2009
United States227 Posts
November 23 2013 00:24 GMT
#13
does any1 think this is too much money for 8 players??
NA player, go KT Flash, ST Life( ;( ) , IMMvp, EGJD, CMStorm Polt, SKT Rain, KT Zest, Bisu, RootherO, Stats and teamliqiud
AyaaLa
Profile Joined February 2012
Spain629 Posts
November 23 2013 00:31 GMT
#14
snute ez victory
i balance whine all the time.
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
November 23 2013 00:35 GMT
#15
Sick ass tournament, really looking forward to this. Go Bomber and/or Scarlett!
Also really interested in seeing how sOs follows up his WCS victory.
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
November 23 2013 00:37 GMT
#16
PartinG/Bomber

sOs/HyuN

PartinG sOs for PvP master finals!
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 23 2013 00:43 GMT
#17
bold prediction in group a
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
November 23 2013 00:45 GMT
#18
Not predicting Scarlett out 0-4? Madness.
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 01:19:50
November 23 2013 00:53 GMT
#19
Hit quote instead of edit, mod delete this please.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 01:20:07
November 23 2013 00:54 GMT
#20
Bomber/who cares.

bomber's third victim/bomber's potential fourth victim
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
November 23 2013 00:59 GMT
#21
I can't see Bomber losing to Golden.
Scarlett should also be a pushover compared to the zergs he has beaten recently.
I have no idea how the writer could think that Bomber is weak TvZ...
Dae Han Min Gook Man Sae!!!
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
November 23 2013 01:05 GMT
#22
Last time Bomber and Scarlett met she nearly took the series, I can see why wax has her winning over him
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
November 23 2013 01:16 GMT
#23
Too bad not at least one more Terran, this will be a lot of PvZ's it looks like...
Whattttt Upppppppp Im Nesteaaaaaa!!
SaintFrancis
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada46 Posts
November 23 2013 01:57 GMT
#24
I hope Bomber wins this
True happiness is found with God. God is true love. That's why Jesus changed my life.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
November 23 2013 02:02 GMT
#25
Did you just put Scarlett over Bomber? Wax what happened to you.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
November 23 2013 02:04 GMT
#26
On November 23 2013 11:02 Darkhoarse wrote:
Did you just put Scarlett over Bomber? Wax what happened to you.


He turned to the good side
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
DeathDyingDoomKiller
Profile Joined October 2012
Canada91 Posts
November 23 2013 02:31 GMT
#27
Beware the TaeJa...
Join the League of Evil. We have Murder, Evil, Blood, Grim Reaping, Killing, Death, Dying, Doom, Black, Dark Red, John Boehner, Reaper, Slaughter, and Kill-Death.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 23 2013 02:46 GMT
#28
On November 23 2013 10:05 Jer99 wrote:
Last time Bomber and Scarlett met she nearly took the series, I can see why wax has her winning over him

Yeah plus Bomber just had a good tournament so now it's time to bring him back down to Earth in this one
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 02:52:57
November 23 2013 02:52 GMT
#29
On November 23 2013 09:59 TaishiCi wrote:
I can't see Bomber losing to Golden.
Scarlett should also be a pushover compared to the zergs he has beaten recently.
I have no idea how the writer could think that Bomber is weak TvZ...

People still think he's bad because of his many many losses from that period in early Hots where zergs only bane roaches allined, and terrans went 3CC 2bay anyway. In actual macro vs macro, he was just as good as everybody else. Him 4-0ing Jaedong in season 2 finals when it was "his worst matchup" (even though it really wasn't) was no coincidence, or not Jaedong being that bad.

Basically, you're right. People just like to tell themselves things.
Refer to my post.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
November 23 2013 03:29 GMT
#30
lets go snute!
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 04:00:13
November 23 2013 03:59 GMT
#31
On November 23 2013 11:52 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 09:59 TaishiCi wrote:
I can't see Bomber losing to Golden.
Scarlett should also be a pushover compared to the zergs he has beaten recently.
I have no idea how the writer could think that Bomber is weak TvZ...

People still think he's bad because of his many many losses from that period in early Hots where zergs only bane roaches allined, and terrans went 3CC 2bay anyway. In actual macro vs macro, he was just as good as everybody else. Him 4-0ing Jaedong in season 2 finals when it was "his worst matchup" (even though it really wasn't) was no coincidence, or not Jaedong being that bad.

Basically, you're right. People just like to tell themselves things.

Feels more like foreign bias for Scarlett than anything...
It just makes no sense to think that Bomber doesn't have this group on lock.
Parting should be the only one that could possibly take a game off him.
And even that is very unlikely if you analyze their recent results...

Bomber being able to beat zergs with different builds is more him playing as a mechanics god than him catching players off guard...
It isn't like he doesn't have an amazing mmmm play either, if you actually watch his games not just read his liquipedia.
I guess it is typical of foreign media to disregard mechanics, skill, and intellegence.
They only focus on background and familiar names... I doubt they could recognize greatness if they got it rammed up their ass.
Dae Han Min Gook Man Sae!!!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 23 2013 04:03 GMT
#32
On November 23 2013 12:59 TaishiCi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 11:52 Zenbrez wrote:
On November 23 2013 09:59 TaishiCi wrote:
I can't see Bomber losing to Golden.
Scarlett should also be a pushover compared to the zergs he has beaten recently.
I have no idea how the writer could think that Bomber is weak TvZ...

People still think he's bad because of his many many losses from that period in early Hots where zergs only bane roaches allined, and terrans went 3CC 2bay anyway. In actual macro vs macro, he was just as good as everybody else. Him 4-0ing Jaedong in season 2 finals when it was "his worst matchup" (even though it really wasn't) was no coincidence, or not Jaedong being that bad.

Basically, you're right. People just like to tell themselves things.

Feels more like foreign bias for Scarlett than anything...
It just makes no sense to think that Bomber doesn't have this group on lock.
Parting should be the only one that could possibly take a game off him.
And even that is very unlikely if you analyze their recent results...

Bomber being able to beat zergs with different builds is more him playing as a mechanics god than him catching players off guard...
It isn't like he doesn't have an amazing mmmm play either, if you actually watch his games not just read his liquipedia.
I guess it is typical of foreign media to disregard mechanics, skill, and intellegence.
They only focus on background and familiar names... I doubt they could recognize greatness if they got it rammed up their ass.


I'm with you bro, Bomber is the godliest of gods.
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
November 23 2013 04:23 GMT
#33
Bomber vs Snute finals!
lystier
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
China877 Posts
November 23 2013 04:28 GMT
#34
On November 23 2013 09:54 iaguz wrote:
Bomber/who cares.

bomber's third victim/bomber's potential fourth victim

Second that.
Startale forever.
fingerwaggin
Profile Joined April 2012
Russian Federation167 Posts
November 23 2013 04:47 GMT
#35
geez i want that pic in OP post with bomber and SoS in good quality to make it my wallpaper.
de1irium
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States121 Posts
November 23 2013 04:48 GMT
#36
Snute is ready to rumble!

[image loading]
lystier
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
China877 Posts
November 23 2013 04:49 GMT
#37
On November 23 2013 13:47 fingerwaggin wrote:
geez i want that pic in OP post with bomber and SoS in good quality to make it my wallpaper.

check the blizzcon gallery
Startale forever.
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
November 23 2013 04:54 GMT
#38
So excited for this tournament. Let's go PartinG!
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
November 23 2013 05:00 GMT
#39
I'm really curious on what kind of shape Snute is in. I picture him in a kimono sweating it out training in some elite SC dojo. CJ Master WooPen with the Fu-Manchu beard harshly scolding him for not having zero energy queens and perfect zergling anti-mine splitting.

Should be interesting.
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
Homework
Profile Joined December 2010
United States283 Posts
November 23 2013 05:23 GMT
#40
Go Snute! I'm cheering for you!
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8312 Posts
November 23 2013 05:39 GMT
#41
On November 23 2013 09:45 Jono7272 wrote:
Not predicting Scarlett out 0-4? Madness.

At the very least she'll crush Golden, and she did take bomber to game five last time.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 23 2013 05:41 GMT
#42
wow @ the notion of Bomber losing to Scarlett rofl. he probably won't even lose to Parting.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
November 23 2013 05:49 GMT
#43
I have to agree on Scarlett. She has not been looking too good lately.

Scarlett, practice!!!
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
1015Fan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States86 Posts
November 23 2013 06:46 GMT
#44
Yeah I feel like this is definitely a Bomber/Parting top 2 for that group, Scarlett hasn't been performing at that level for a while now.
fx9
Profile Joined November 2013
117 Posts
November 23 2013 08:18 GMT
#45
gogo Bomber
Schroedinger
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany80 Posts
November 23 2013 08:27 GMT
#46
Lets go Bomber :3
Conquest is made of the ashes of one's enemies
kisoso
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria105 Posts
November 23 2013 08:37 GMT
#47
Applying Bomber's law... you cannot predict group A finishers.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 09:16:45
November 23 2013 09:11 GMT
#48
On November 23 2013 14:39 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 09:45 Jono7272 wrote:
Not predicting Scarlett out 0-4? Madness.

At the very least she'll crush Golden, and she did take bomber to game five last time.

Since then Bomber had more then 2 months of working on his TvZ and knocked out Soulkey in the Global finals. Scarlett´s vT since her break has lost to Happy, ForGG, Taeja, Dayshi and MMA, while only winning against Sonic, BraT_OK (in game, he could have won with better micro) and qxc. Predicting Scarlett > Bomber is definitly not the most reasonable choice.
OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
November 23 2013 11:23 GMT
#49
Hopefully Snute has figured out some new shit. He can be so good after periods of inventing new tactics/builds
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
November 23 2013 11:27 GMT
#50
I expect sOs to win this easily but we'll see.The groups are looking good.
All I do is Stim.
Twine
Profile Joined June 2012
France246 Posts
November 23 2013 11:45 GMT
#51
First group : Bomber/Scarlett
Second one : SoS/MC
#1 Bomber fan | Jin Air best KT
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
November 23 2013 11:47 GMT
#52
mc is becoming the most overrated player in sc2 history ..
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 23 2013 11:56 GMT
#53
On November 23 2013 20:47 xsnac wrote:
mc is becoming the most overrated player in sc2 history ..

predicting MC 3rd in his group seems reasonable rather than overrated to me
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
November 23 2013 14:17 GMT
#54
Nice writeup. This should be a lot of fun. If Bomber bombs out early, I might see myself cheering for sOs.

Actually, I might be cheering for Bomber and sOs equally from the start. Despite him preventing Jaedong from winning Blizzcon, I can't help but truly enjoy and appreciate sOs's freaky style.

Well, Bomber or sOs for champion it is.
Flash | Mvp
PanzerElite
Profile Joined May 2012
540 Posts
November 23 2013 14:46 GMT
#55
You can't say Bomber's tvz is in a bad spot since he absolutely crushed jeadong and soulkey and scarlett lost quite a lot lately. We'll see how it turns out,
calh
Profile Joined March 2013
537 Posts
November 23 2013 14:59 GMT
#56
As always Bomber's prospects depend almost entirely on Bomber and very little on his opponents. We are talking about someone who has made Innovation and Soulkey look like Code A players on occasions, and has lost horribly to real Code A players other times.
Siggen
Profile Joined November 2011
143 Posts
November 23 2013 15:03 GMT
#57
Snute gogogogo
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
November 23 2013 15:09 GMT
#58
Hoping for a sOs vs Bomber finals, but for some reason it feels like PartinG will win this event, idk why
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
November 23 2013 15:26 GMT
#59
Lol wax.
The Bomber boy
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
November 23 2013 15:35 GMT
#60
I think Snute will surprise and take his group!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
November 23 2013 15:39 GMT
#61
Testdummy haha XD
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
-shArk-
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany150 Posts
November 23 2013 15:57 GMT
#62
Good prediction. I kind of feel like parting and bomber advancing in groupe a. Will be really tough for scarlett to advance. 1st sOs and 2nd hyun in group b sounds really logical.
sOs - Rain - PartinG
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10152 Posts
November 23 2013 16:19 GMT
#63
Scarlett beating bomber... you wish.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
November 23 2013 17:12 GMT
#64
On November 24 2013 01:19 Godwrath wrote:
Scarlett beating bomber... you wish.

She came damn close last time.

It really depends on which bomber shows up. He can do something inexplicably dumb and get knocked out in two straight, or he can show up in prime condition and be more or less invincible.

Anyway, go Snute and Scarlett, the hopes of both foreigners and the entire zerg race ride in your shoulders. No pressure.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 00:25:17
November 24 2013 00:25 GMT
#65
heh heh

-wax
Moderator
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
November 24 2013 00:29 GMT
#66
wow, the nostradamus predictions.
TL+ Member
Sufinsil
Profile Joined January 2011
United States760 Posts
November 24 2013 02:21 GMT
#67
Off by 1 game!

Should be good games tomorrow.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33643 Posts
November 24 2013 05:31 GMT
#68
shiiit so close to perfect tt
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
SEL Masters #7 - Day 1
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft533
ViBE225
Nina 146
RuFF_SC2 122
Ketroc 41
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3805
GuemChi 3389
Free 228
HiyA 145
Mind 75
Noble 71
Bale 34
Terrorterran 18
yabsab 7
Purpose 4
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm161
Counter-Strike
taco 545
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1078
Other Games
summit1g9594
C9.Mang0525
PiGStarcraft491
Maynarde133
UpATreeSC50
JuggernautJason22
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1184
BasetradeTV378
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream163
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 106
• Adnapsc2 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush659
• Stunt333
Upcoming Events
CrankTV Team League
8h 9m
Bombastic Starleague
17h 9m
The PondCast
1d 7h
HomeStory Cup
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 21h
HomeStory Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
OSC
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W1
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.