Day one of Red Bull Battle Grounds New York will see the group stages played through. The groups will be played in the very familiar "GSL" style double-elimination, with the top two players from each group moving on to day two. Oh, there's a map with liquid hot magma on it, so that's kinda cool, too.
In the first match, the face of Red Bull eSports in Bomber goes up against his largely unheralded teammate in Golden. Bomber comes in with some great tournament results in 2013, having taken the WCS Season 2 championship and placing top four in the Global Finals at BlizzCon. On the other hand, Golden has barely done anything of note this year, except winning the a Red Bull Training Grounds. Bomber achieved those placements by beating the likes of Jaedong, Soulkey, and INnoVation—Golden won over players like Sound, Kane, and SeleCT.
While it does seem like this match is very lop-sided in Bomber's favor, there's at least a few factors to make it a little bit more interesting. First, off we haven't seen Golden in a tournament game in forever. His last recorded game was in September, and the one before that was in July. Golden could have improved or declined drastically in that time, and we'll just have to wait and see.
Also, many of Bomber's big TvZ victories in the past months were due to his somewhat unorthodox play. From early mass-marine pushes to marine-tank compositions in the end game, Bomber tried to get away from the predictable marine-mine-medivac compositions established by other Terrans. While Bomber's other opponents failed to adapt to this kind of play, Golden should be more used to such styles since he is Bomber's teammate.
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At the 2012 WCS Finals, ST_PartinG met rising North American star Scarlett in the Ro16 and sent her out of the tournament. Macro game, soul train, gateway all-in: 3 - 0. Since then, StarCraft 2 underwent a massive upheaval with HotS, PartinG joined SKT and vanished from foreign tournaments, and Scarlett made the pilgrimage to Korea to hone her skills.
The two have met again at a curious intersection in their careers. Scarlett is going through a rocky period after having a most impressive summer (notably with a top 4 finish in WCS AM Season 2), faring poorly against Korean-class opposition as of late. On the other hand, PartinG is finally gathering some momentum after a so-so (by his high standards) start to HotS. He didn't drop even a single map as he took home the $10,000 prize at Stars War 3, and toppled a series of formidable opponents in the TLMC qualifier for Red Bull NYC.
However, PartinG has shown a weakness against Zerg throughout all of HotS, a weakness that he's yet to cast off. His late game has looked weak in particular, and his eggs might all be in the all-in basket. Which brings us to our next topic...
We can't leave out the infamous Soul Train when talking about PartinG vs. Zerg. The initial hydra-ling meta of HotS forced many Protoss players to seal away immortal and sentry based all-ins, but trends have turned and turned to put it back in the Protoss rotation. Scarlett herself was a victim, losing to Oz's two consecutive Soul Trains to be eliminated from the previous season of WCS America. While Scarlett has recently shown some adeptness at stopping all-ins with a throwback lingfestor style, one has to wonder how she will fair against a cheese artisan like PartinG.
Winners Match and Beyond
Overall, PartinG looks to be the player favored to top the group. While his PvZ has been shaky, Golden and Scarlett haven't exactly shown Code S level ZvP. Meanwhile, Bomber's TvP has suffered as the SCV pull all-in has been figured out by Protoss players, and PartinG should be capable of taking him in either a macro game or with all-ins.
The key to Bomber vs. the Zergs will be what kind of style he chooses to use. He's been markedly more successful with his unorthodox, WoL-esque styles than he has been with the HotS standard of marine-mine. Now that Zerg expect him to play differently from other Terrans, will he adjust? And if he decides to stay the course, is his style strong enough to win without the surprise factor?
Predictions: Bomber > Golden PartinG > Scarlett PartinG > Bomber Scarlett > Golden Scarlett > Bomber
Eight players splitting a $50,000 prize? Of course MC was going to be there. However, in his current form, it's doubtful as to whether he's going to be collecting a check in the five figures. Forget the 18 month championship drought—just looking at his recent results gives you reason to worry. Eliminated by ToD and jjakji in the HSC Ro16. Eliminated by Maru in the Blizzcon Ro16. Eliminated by Dear in the WCS Season 3 Ro8. MC will be relieved to be playing a foreigner in his first match, but he may be surprised even in that match-up.
Snute returns from a month of training at the CJ Entus house in Korea, and his current skill level is shrouded in mystery. At his best, he was taking TaeJa to the brink in the HomeStory Cup finals, showing he was one of the best foreigners around. At his worst, he was playing like... well, a foreigner. Different people will give you different answers in terms of how much time you need to spend in Korea for it to actually start paying off. At Red Bull, we'll see what the answer is in Snute's case.
If only because no one has any idea what the hell sOs is going to do, this match is a must-watch. The strategically brilliant sOs has always been an unpredictable player, but the current state of PvZ strategy has made the situation even more chaotic.
The thing is, people stopped using 'sOs-style' (let's very loosely define it as a style with quick void rays, a quick third, and heavily delayed robotics tech). After the WCS Season 3 finals in Canada, the three most visible proponents of the style in sOs, NaNiwa, and Dear all dropped it from their arsenal. And it's not like it was because they suffered crushing defeats in tournaments or anything like that. Between WCS S3 and Blizzcon, something happened that made them think it would be a better idea to do other strategies, whether it was blink all-ins, standard phoenix openers, or lots and lots of cannon rushes.
Whatever sOs has planned, he'll want to be sure it's expertly tuned. There's no messing around with HyuN, as he's the kind of exquisite macro player who will overrun you with mass units in a second if he notices any weaknesses in defense. In a way, HyuN is an excellent "test dummy" if sOs wants to see how his strategies will play against a very skilled, standard player—except this test dummy could very easily be the one wrecking him.
Winners Match and Beyond
It's weird to have both sOs and MC in this group, as both are players whose form varies wildly from tournament to tournament. When things are clicking for them, they're pretty much unstoppable. When their opponents can figure out what they're doing and adapt, they can fall flat on their faces. Throw in Snute, the foreigner we haven't seen for a month, into the mix and group situation becomes rather #dicey indeed. Strange as it may seem, if I had to pick just one player to make it through (regardless of whether it's in 1st or 2nd), I feel safest picking HyuN and his solid macro style. For everyone else, "will he be on his game?" looms as too big a question.
Predictions: MC > Snute sOs > HyuN sOs > MC HyuN > Snute HyuN > MC
3 zergs and 1 toss in the semis? Sounds likely but I'm still rooting for Bomber to take it home!
Honestly I could see Bomber + Parting + sOs + MC causing us to have 1T and 3P, although Hyun seems to be a strong zerg so I could see him taking out MC and thus having Bomber + Parting + sOs + Hyun as the final four.
Then Bomber and Hyun will lose and we'll see a PvP finals (yuck!)
Now, ideally I'd want a Bomber vs Hyun finals, that'd be sick!
I can't see Bomber losing to Golden. Scarlett should also be a pushover compared to the zergs he has beaten recently. I have no idea how the writer could think that Bomber is weak TvZ...
On November 23 2013 09:59 TaishiCi wrote: I can't see Bomber losing to Golden. Scarlett should also be a pushover compared to the zergs he has beaten recently. I have no idea how the writer could think that Bomber is weak TvZ...
People still think he's bad because of his many many losses from that period in early Hots where zergs only bane roaches allined, and terrans went 3CC 2bay anyway. In actual macro vs macro, he was just as good as everybody else. Him 4-0ing Jaedong in season 2 finals when it was "his worst matchup" (even though it really wasn't) was no coincidence, or not Jaedong being that bad.
Basically, you're right. People just like to tell themselves things.
On November 23 2013 09:59 TaishiCi wrote: I can't see Bomber losing to Golden. Scarlett should also be a pushover compared to the zergs he has beaten recently. I have no idea how the writer could think that Bomber is weak TvZ...
People still think he's bad because of his many many losses from that period in early Hots where zergs only bane roaches allined, and terrans went 3CC 2bay anyway. In actual macro vs macro, he was just as good as everybody else. Him 4-0ing Jaedong in season 2 finals when it was "his worst matchup" (even though it really wasn't) was no coincidence, or not Jaedong being that bad.
Basically, you're right. People just like to tell themselves things.
Feels more like foreign bias for Scarlett than anything... It just makes no sense to think that Bomber doesn't have this group on lock. Parting should be the only one that could possibly take a game off him. And even that is very unlikely if you analyze their recent results...
Bomber being able to beat zergs with different builds is more him playing as a mechanics god than him catching players off guard... It isn't like he doesn't have an amazing mmmm play either, if you actually watch his games not just read his liquipedia. I guess it is typical of foreign media to disregard mechanics, skill, and intellegence. They only focus on background and familiar names... I doubt they could recognize greatness if they got it rammed up their ass.
On November 23 2013 09:59 TaishiCi wrote: I can't see Bomber losing to Golden. Scarlett should also be a pushover compared to the zergs he has beaten recently. I have no idea how the writer could think that Bomber is weak TvZ...
People still think he's bad because of his many many losses from that period in early Hots where zergs only bane roaches allined, and terrans went 3CC 2bay anyway. In actual macro vs macro, he was just as good as everybody else. Him 4-0ing Jaedong in season 2 finals when it was "his worst matchup" (even though it really wasn't) was no coincidence, or not Jaedong being that bad.
Basically, you're right. People just like to tell themselves things.
Feels more like foreign bias for Scarlett than anything... It just makes no sense to think that Bomber doesn't have this group on lock. Parting should be the only one that could possibly take a game off him. And even that is very unlikely if you analyze their recent results...
Bomber being able to beat zergs with different builds is more him playing as a mechanics god than him catching players off guard... It isn't like he doesn't have an amazing mmmm play either, if you actually watch his games not just read his liquipedia. I guess it is typical of foreign media to disregard mechanics, skill, and intellegence. They only focus on background and familiar names... I doubt they could recognize greatness if they got it rammed up their ass.
I'm really curious on what kind of shape Snute is in. I picture him in a kimono sweating it out training in some elite SC dojo. CJ Master WooPen with the Fu-Manchu beard harshly scolding him for not having zero energy queens and perfect zergling anti-mine splitting.
On November 23 2013 09:45 Jono7272 wrote: Not predicting Scarlett out 0-4? Madness.
At the very least she'll crush Golden, and she did take bomber to game five last time.
Since then Bomber had more then 2 months of working on his TvZ and knocked out Soulkey in the Global finals. Scarlett´s vT since her break has lost to Happy, ForGG, Taeja, Dayshi and MMA, while only winning against Sonic, BraT_OK (in game, he could have won with better micro) and qxc. Predicting Scarlett > Bomber is definitly not the most reasonable choice.
Nice writeup. This should be a lot of fun. If Bomber bombs out early, I might see myself cheering for sOs.
Actually, I might be cheering for Bomber and sOs equally from the start. Despite him preventing Jaedong from winning Blizzcon, I can't help but truly enjoy and appreciate sOs's freaky style.
You can't say Bomber's tvz is in a bad spot since he absolutely crushed jeadong and soulkey and scarlett lost quite a lot lately. We'll see how it turns out,
As always Bomber's prospects depend almost entirely on Bomber and very little on his opponents. We are talking about someone who has made Innovation and Soulkey look like Code A players on occasions, and has lost horribly to real Code A players other times.
Good prediction. I kind of feel like parting and bomber advancing in groupe a. Will be really tough for scarlett to advance. 1st sOs and 2nd hyun in group b sounds really logical.
On November 24 2013 01:19 Godwrath wrote: Scarlett beating bomber... you wish.
She came damn close last time.
It really depends on which bomber shows up. He can do something inexplicably dumb and get knocked out in two straight, or he can show up in prime condition and be more or less invincible.
Anyway, go Snute and Scarlett, the hopes of both foreigners and the entire zerg race ride in your shoulders. No pressure.