EPTYeah coz in the current state of SC2 in Korea Blizzard should ask OGN to run an event not vice versa.
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Yeah coz in the current state of SC2 in Korea Blizzard should ask OGN to run an event not vice versa. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3696 Posts
Why in the world would you not give WCS to OGN? Before WCS Gom was running multiple code s per year, way more then three, by themselves, freely. OGN on the other hand literally had one star 2 starleague after the end of brood war and before wcs kicked in. I really can't see them magically holding multiple OSLs next year and I fear that this move might have removed starcraft 2 from korean television with the exception of proleague. Again I really like the partial region lock, giving wcs korea to one partner (even though its the wrong one), changes to the format and qualifiers and price pool and even the partner events, great job blizz! However I fear kicking OGN off the train might have been a grave mistake, but maybe I'll be proven wrong (I surely hope so) and OGN will run multiple starleagues like Monte Christo said they would have done without wcs. Also since DH has a studio now I don't see why they shouldn't get WCS EU especially since 2012 WCS EU Finals was way way way way better than what ESL did this year, especially if you attended in person. But I guess thats just personal preference and ESL proofed that they are somewhat decent during blizzcon. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On November 21 2013 19:44 DiMano wrote: Yeah coz in the current state of SC2 in Korea Blizzard should ask OGN to run an event not vice versa. Well, they can freely run event without blizzard permission. They need permission if they wanna do wcs tournament. | ||
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LeviathanDK
Denmark87 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
On November 21 2013 18:43 kimaphan wrote: How often do you think it should be rotated? Our current plan is to swap at least 2 new maps every season. I think 2 per season with the 2 older maps in the pool would be great, but I think there should be an exception case where you could add 1 or 2 extra maps per season to replace really unpopular or really, really boring maps should they surface. It would also be nice if you could make an exception tournament that has different maps, for the sake of testing and promoting new maps. Because honestly, if there aren't any WCS points being handed out it feels like no one would play a tournament with a very different map pool unless the prize pool was really big. Back to the main topic I'm quite happy with most of the issues being addressed. More offseason is just what the scene needs to be able to hold more grassroots tournaments. The partial region lock could mean more foreigners have a shot of making a splash and fleshing out the next gen of talent. No more seasonal finals and the prizes form it integrated into the main WCS prize pool is also great. The GSL finally feeling like its old self is also awesome, I just think they could have done a better job had the prize distribution been more in line with the previous iteration, like 50k for first 20k for 2nd and an even distribution after that, but that's their choice. Apart from that the GSL always had this feel of the hardest and best tournament because of the level of the Korean competition, hopefully the prize pool coupled with the new partial region lock restrictions mean that more of the top end Koreans go back to Korea to compete. The GSL just felt empty in a way without Mvp, MMA, NesTea and MC. My only lingering concerns left are for the Korean scene, 3 GSLs per year is way less then we had in the past, but the freed up timetable means they could maybe produce more content of their own that will still help the region. I also hope OGN makes 1 or 2 OSLs of their own. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
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SPQR13
181 Posts
On November 21 2013 18:01 ZAiNs wrote: I feel like a lot of people praising the changes don't really understand how it works fully and will change their mind once WCS actually gets started. WCS is going to look almost identical to this years. Not overlapping Challenger and Premier is definitely an obvious good change though, but the EU/AM up and down system is really bad, one BO5 to decide whether you go to premier or not... there's no up and down anymore really, it's just 1 tournament now... chalenger = ro48 (kinda) and premier = ro32 ... | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Worst: Increasing the WCS points for the winners. Doesn't accomplish anything good - the winner is sometimes an arbitrary guy. It's better to stimulate people who play very strong the whole year and finish in the top, than someone who accidentally wins once. P.S. Excited for OGN doing Hearthstone. :D | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On November 21 2013 20:58 figq wrote: Best: GSL is back to dominance, higher prize; partial region lock seems nicely done. Worst: Increasing the WCS points for the winners. Doesn't accomplish anything good - the winner is sometimes an arbitrary guy. It's better to stimulate people who play very strong the whole year and finish in the top, than someone who accidentally wins once. P.S. Excited for OGN doing Hearthstone. :D The winner is sometimes an arbitrary guy who accidentally wins once? What does that even mean? | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
On November 21 2013 21:21 GolemMadness wrote: The winner is sometimes an arbitrary guy who accidentally wins once? What does that even mean? I think he means: In sc2, we saw too many one-hit wonder (never seen before, won one tournament suddenly and then never seen again). | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On November 21 2013 21:27 Dingodile wrote: I think he means: In sc2, we saw too many one-hit wonder (never seen before, won one tournament suddenly and then never seen again). That's not the equivalent of the winner being some random guy who won by accident, though. | ||
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c0olL
129 Posts
and there is no more chance to comeback to Code S after falling in the ro 32 or ro16, its a shame they did it.... | ||
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d00p
711 Posts
On November 21 2013 19:43 nstnct_ wrote: maybe ogn shifts to dota 2 after this. they already run a showmatch series. Why are some people compelled to mention dota 2 in EVERY SINGLE SC2 THREAD. There was a thread about Jaedong becoming the highest earning player of all time and it immediately turned into a debate about how dota players COULD surpass him in the next couple of years. Seriously, stay in your own sub-forum if you can't stfu about dota this dota that when it has absolutely no relevance to the topic of the thread. Thanks. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On November 21 2013 20:09 Lorch wrote: Everything sounds really great except for one thing: Why in the world would you not give WCS to OGN? Before WCS Gom was running multiple code s per year, way more then three, by themselves, freely. OGN on the other hand literally had one star 2 starleague after the end of brood war and before wcs kicked in. I really can't see them magically holding multiple OSLs next year and I fear that this move might have removed starcraft 2 from korean television with the exception of proleague. Again I really like the partial region lock, giving wcs korea to one partner (even though its the wrong one), changes to the format and qualifiers and price pool and even the partner events, great job blizz! However I fear kicking OGN off the train might have been a grave mistake, but maybe I'll be proven wrong (I surely hope so) and OGN will run multiple starleagues like Monte Christo said they would have done without wcs. Also since DH has a studio now I don't see why they shouldn't get WCS EU especially since 2012 WCS EU Finals was way way way way better than what ESL did this year, especially if you attended in person. But I guess thats just personal preference and ESL proofed that they are somewhat decent during blizzcon. That would speak for the fact that GOM ran the GSL partially on blizzards money, of which there obviously is no definite proof nor counterproof. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
On November 21 2013 21:21 GolemMadness wrote: The winner is sometimes an arbitrary guy who accidentally wins once? What does that even mean? I think he means Jjakji and his friends (sniper, seed etc) | ||
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Beamo
France1279 Posts
On November 21 2013 20:53 SPQR13 wrote: there's no up and down anymore really, it's just 1 tournament now... chalenger = ro48 (kinda) and premier = ro32 ... Sure but there is a reason why most tournaments start with group stage and not single bracket elimination... For me it's a bad idea to have your tournament life line depending on a single opponent (and single match up). Bad brackets have always been part of tournaments but they are usually a bit countered by double elimination or groups at least for the first rounds. A simple 4 player group format with top 2 qualifying does not seem too complicated and in my opinion looks healthier. Don't really know how the regional semi-lock will come out but looks like a step in the right direction. Rest of the changes look really good !  | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
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