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marcesr
Profile Joined June 2008
Germany1383 Posts
November 21 2013 09:41 GMT
#501
Starcraft 2 is becoming more and more dependent on the Blizzard money, that cannot be good for the scene in the long run.

Apart from that we already fucked it up anyway because the foreigner scene is almost dead already and SC2 is doing poorly in Korea too.
kimaphan
Profile Joined June 2013
United States43 Posts
November 21 2013 09:41 GMT
#502
On November 21 2013 08:16 pmp10 wrote:
Am I just blind or they didn't specify the qualifier format?
All this talk of region-locking means little without knowing that bit.

You're not blind We're planning to share more details regarding Qualifiers next month.
Former Global Esports Director at Blizzard Entertainment
kimaphan
Profile Joined June 2013
United States43 Posts
November 21 2013 09:43 GMT
#503
On November 21 2013 08:18 xuanzue wrote:
the only thing that bothers me, is the map pool, blizzard is very slow rotating it, and it makes the metagame boring and stagnating in the long term IMO


How often do you think it should be rotated? Our current plan is to swap at least 2 new maps every season.
Former Global Esports Director at Blizzard Entertainment
kimaphan
Profile Joined June 2013
United States43 Posts
November 21 2013 09:46 GMT
#504
[B]The ladder spots are open to everyone on the planet I assume?

Everyone on the planet who plays StarCraft 2 and is ranked in master league with at least 200 wins in the season leading up to the qualifiers.
Former Global Esports Director at Blizzard Entertainment
kimaphan
Profile Joined June 2013
United States43 Posts
November 21 2013 09:54 GMT
#505
On November 21 2013 08:33 Yhamm wrote:
with the reserved slots in WCS America, will they have to make different qualifiers for each region (SEA, China, Taiwan, America) ? Kinda like IEM ?

Yep.
Former Global Esports Director at Blizzard Entertainment
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
November 21 2013 10:02 GMT
#506
What are blizzard doing to avoid situations like last season when revival got invited to IEM NY without qualifying just to get a few free points? The whole situation with people getting invited seemigly arbitrarily when important points are on the line can hurt the communitys trust in the system. I want blizzard to make sure any tournament that gives out WCS points have to either only have qualifiers or be very transparant about the invitiation process.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 21 2013 10:06 GMT
#507
WCS
Global Finals Prize Money
(2014) Prize Money
(2013)
1st $100,000 $100,000
2nd $50,000 $45,000
3rd-4th $15,000 $17,500
5th-8th $7,500 $7,500
9th-16th $5,000 $5,000
Total $250,000 $250,000

This is engineer lvl math? In 2014 we will have bigger prizepool looks like but "Total" is saying we wont get more money to prizepool :S
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 21 2013 10:08 GMT
#508
On November 21 2013 19:02 Fjodorov wrote:
What are blizzard doing to avoid situations like last season when revival got invited to IEM NY without qualifying just to get a few free points? The whole situation with people getting invited seemigly arbitrarily when important points are on the line can hurt the communitys trust in the system. I want blizzard to make sure any tournament that gives out WCS points have to either only have qualifiers or be very transparant about the invitiation process.

They said that players must advance at least once to gain points. (From ro32 to ro16)
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
November 21 2013 10:09 GMT
#509
Now if only OGN would bring another tournament to the Korean scene.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 21 2013 10:13 GMT
#510
On November 21 2013 18:43 kimaphan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 08:18 xuanzue wrote:
the only thing that bothers me, is the map pool, blizzard is very slow rotating it, and it makes the metagame boring and stagnating in the long term IMO


How often do you think it should be rotated? Our current plan is to swap at least 2 new maps every season.


Two maps per season is pretty conservative, but I think that is needed in an individual league, where you really cannot afford to have imbalanced maps (or at least more than one per matchup which can be vetoed). For me, teamleagues are where you can test new maps more audaciously, maybe you can approach upcoming teamleagues, give them some candy and have them test new maps for you?
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
November 21 2013 10:16 GMT
#511
On November 21 2013 19:08 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 19:02 Fjodorov wrote:
What are blizzard doing to avoid situations like last season when revival got invited to IEM NY without qualifying just to get a few free points? The whole situation with people getting invited seemigly arbitrarily when important points are on the line can hurt the communitys trust in the system. I want blizzard to make sure any tournament that gives out WCS points have to either only have qualifiers or be very transparant about the invitiation process.

They said that players must advance at least once to gain points. (From ro32 to ro16)


Ok ty for pointing that out. Its a good step. But the acutal invite to participate in the tournament, thus giving you a chance to get points, can still be problematic. I would like the non-blizzard tournaments to hand out fewer wcs points but keep their right to invite. Because lets face it, if you are a fan favorite and a big personality in the esport scene you are probably more likely to get an invite than someone just as good but not as well known/outspoken. That is fine but the amount of wcs points you can get this way shouldnt be so high.
vjcamarena
Profile Joined October 2013
Spain493 Posts
November 21 2013 10:17 GMT
#512
Wow, great job, Ms. Phan (and the entire team).

Seems to me you had a divided audience on the region lock issue, but you've managed a solution that pleases all. Great success there. I particularly like the added emphasis to the ladder with the addition of "Ladder Wildcards". Several people were pointing on that direction in order to revive ladder and improve practice quality around the globe.

Cutting down on broadcast times, particularly if you're able to schedule matches well in advance, should raise viewership by making it easier to "save Wednsday afternoon for Starcraft". It should also enable more community-run tournaments, which is a win in my book. On that note, good idea with the Tier 3 tournaments; those seem specifically designed to funcion as "grassroots regional tournaments" with lower price pools and regional language streams.

The one question I have is the viability of Korea's scene. We all know that Korea has an inordinately high amount of progamers. They used to feed on the very high amount of GSLs. Last year, oversaturation (on only one GSL + 3 WCS Seasons) reached the point of making them play in other regions (which is positive in many ways, but still marks oversaturation), plus they fed on Season Finals price money. I'm hoping you're able to foster new tournaments in Korea (OSLs, or GSL-run weekend tournaments, or even newcomers) with particular care in order to keep as many Korean pros on the scene as possible.

Thanks again, and keep rocking!
Mvp and ForGG! - Vortix FTW - Never forget Lucifron
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 10:19:45
November 21 2013 10:18 GMT
#513
On November 21 2013 18:43 kimaphan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 08:18 xuanzue wrote:
the only thing that bothers me, is the map pool, blizzard is very slow rotating it, and it makes the metagame boring and stagnating in the long term IMO


How often do you think it should be rotated? Our current plan is to swap at least 2 new maps every season.

For 8 weeks event where 7 maps are used 2 new maps is very little, 3-4 would be good I think. OSL and MSL had 4 maps pool and changed 2-3 maps at least every season.
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
November 21 2013 10:19 GMT
#514
I think most of these changes are great! Really good job Blizzard, and thank you for listening to the perspectives of organisers, pros, fans and broadcasters!

Unfortunately, even with the increased prizepool for GSL, I doubt having merely three seasons a year will re-vitalise the Korean pro scene. From a foreigner perspective, it also won't attract the best players currently playing in WCS AM and EU back to the GSL. Unfortunately, the probability is that we will still have a GSL without Jaedong, Mvp, NesTea, TaeJa, MMA, MC etc. The only other tournaments apart from GSL in Korea are Proleague, and GSTL.

Premier league for WCS EU and AM won't be very different, since the same Koreans will still be a big part of it.
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
November 21 2013 10:22 GMT
#515
Now we need a secret comunity with all NA and EU pro gamers to share every bit of information about kr players that just come for 2-3 days then leave . beat them out of wcs and we will finaly have the wcs we all desired .
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
November 21 2013 10:23 GMT
#516
On November 21 2013 19:19 mikkmagro wrote:
I think most of these changes are great! Really good job Blizzard, and thank you for listening to the perspectives of organisers, pros, fans and broadcasters!

Unfortunately, even with the increased prizepool for GSL, I doubt having merely three seasons a year will re-vitalise the Korean pro scene. From a foreigner perspective, it also won't attract the best players currently playing in WCS AM and EU back to the GSL. Unfortunately, the probability is that we will still have a GSL without Jaedong, Mvp, NesTea, TaeJa, MMA, MC etc. The only other tournaments apart from GSL in Korea are Proleague, and GSTL.

Premier league for WCS EU and AM won't be very different, since the same Koreans will still be a big part of it.

Yeah + OGN is about to not broadcast SPL which means a very big problem at korean scene
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
November 21 2013 10:29 GMT
#517
This actually sounds good.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Rammstorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1434 Posts
November 21 2013 10:41 GMT
#518
On November 21 2013 07:26 Waxangel wrote:


OGN [...] retain the right to run both StarCraft and StarCraft II content. [...] they could run a WCS Global Event if it meets the criteria laid out and they obtain a license [...]


Which they will not, lol.
"MC" -> Master of Ceremonies xD
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
November 21 2013 10:43 GMT
#519
OGN is free to run Starcraft and Starcraft2 tournaments...

How I wish they would...
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
nstnct_
Profile Joined June 2011
Greece3 Posts
November 21 2013 10:43 GMT
#520
maybe ogn shifts to dota 2 after this. they already run a showmatch series.
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