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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 21 2013 13:35 GMT
#541
On November 21 2013 14:46 PandaTank wrote:
Good changes over all. Although personally bad for me


You are fine, don't worry. Your are part Europe/Africa/Middle East and don't have to fight for the 4 wildcard slots! I'm sure you can grab one of the 12 spots for EU (even 18 for the first season)!.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
FuFighter
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany60 Posts
November 21 2013 13:49 GMT
#542
Code S is back!! So excited! All these changes sound really good to me, looking forward to the next WCS. Thank you, Blizzard ♥
"Scissors are fine, Paper is IMBA." - Rock
Jyaki
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia170 Posts
November 21 2013 13:53 GMT
#543
10 weeks each season is too long...
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 21 2013 13:56 GMT
#544
Challenger league chance is very bad.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
iMAniaC
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway703 Posts
November 21 2013 14:07 GMT
#545
Wow! All of this is great news! Blizzard has really listened to everyone and found the best solutions to the criticism, even when compromises had to be made! I'm really hyped for 2014 now

One aspect that I found really exciting, which hasn't been mentioned a lot in this thread yet, is all the potential for new partners to improve the scene. Some of the criticism against WCS 2013 was that it was too much and too closed down, essentially monopolizing SC2 broadcast time. With the WCS 2014 partner program, there is a lot of incentive for people to organize SC2 stuff, with the possibility of becoming an official WCS event and I especially like the entry-level grassroots tier. A very quick look at this year's (Wiki)Major Tournaments, shows that tournaments such as Ireland's n00bc0n and Hong Kong's 1st eSports Tournament could potentially have been WCS events in 2014 (with maybe very minor changes). The way I read the table, it's also possible for leagues to be WCS events. If so, then TeSL or a possible SC2 Dream(Hack)League could also be WCS events. This point is especially interesting in regards to Korea, I think, where we might perceive a sort of broadcast vacuum which is up for grabs for whoever decides to fill those days that are not GSL or GSTL. I have a feeling that GOM might try to grab that chance if OGN doesn't. GOM has shown that they are able to do interesting and fun stuff that is not just Code S/A GSL or GSTL, so they might have some cool side-tournament up their sleeve. Overall, I think we can look forward to many exciting announcements next year.

One thought that struck my mind: If I'm not mistaken, Japan is usually considered a part of East Asia, but the other East Asian countries are all accounted for in other ways. My guess is that Japan would be considered part of Southeast Asia for the purposes of qualifiers into WCS AM, but that point remains kind of ambiguous...
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 14:13:19
November 21 2013 14:09 GMT
#546
Reserving qualifier spots solves nothing, that was never the issue.Players will lose during the qualifer which this doesn't solve. There should be hundreds of slots anyway, how will they decide who gets the 16 slots?
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
Firestorm
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada341 Posts
November 21 2013 14:12 GMT
#547
On November 21 2013 23:07 iMAniaC wrote:
Wow! All of this is great news! Blizzard has really listened to everyone and found the best solutions to the criticism, even when compromises had to be made! I'm really hyped for 2014 now

One aspect that I found really exciting, which hasn't been mentioned a lot in this thread yet, is all the potential for new partners to improve the scene. Some of the criticism against WCS 2013 was that it was too much and too closed down, essentially monopolizing SC2 broadcast time. With the WCS 2014 partner program, there is a lot of incentive for people to organize SC2 stuff, with the possibility of becoming an official WCS event and I especially like the entry-level grassroots tier. A very quick look at this year's (Wiki)Major Tournaments, shows that tournaments such as Ireland's n00bc0n and Hong Kong's 1st eSports Tournament could potentially have been WCS events in 2014 (with maybe very minor changes). The way I read the table, it's also possible for leagues to be WCS events. If so, then TeSL or a possible SC2 Dream(Hack)League could also be WCS events. This point is especially interesting in regards to Korea, I think, where we might perceive a sort of broadcast vacuum which is up for grabs for whoever decides to fill those days that are not GSL or GSTL. I have a feeling that GOM might try to grab that chance if OGN doesn't. GOM has shown that they are able to do interesting and fun stuff that is not just Code S/A GSL or GSTL, so they might have some cool side-tournament up their sleeve. Overall, I think we can look forward to many exciting announcements next year.

One thought that struck my mind: If I'm not mistaken, Japan is usually considered a part of East Asia, but the other East Asian countries are all accounted for in other ways. My guess is that Japan would be considered part of Southeast Asia for the purposes of qualifiers into WCS AM, but that point remains kind of ambiguous...


That event is indefinitely postponed.
"Revenge is sweet... Revenge is a dish best served cold... Revenge is... Ice Cream!"
Kokokoz
Profile Joined April 2013
France147 Posts
November 21 2013 14:16 GMT
#548
Good changes overall but... WCS season finals were really awesome...
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
November 21 2013 14:23 GMT
#549
On November 21 2013 18:43 kimaphan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 08:18 xuanzue wrote:
the only thing that bothers me, is the map pool, blizzard is very slow rotating it, and it makes the metagame boring and stagnating in the long term IMO


How often do you think it should be rotated? Our current plan is to swap at least 2 new maps every season.

I think you should change 3 or 4 maps per season. if you change only 2 maps, it means few maps will be in WCS for a full year which I think is really too long. Changing 3-4 maps will add more diversity and would also help the mappers community (if you still add their maps to the ladder roster?)
I think you should also allow the WCS Global Events to use 1 or 2 maps that are not on the ladder, it would help to see new maps.
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ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 14:36:25
November 21 2013 14:36 GMT
#550
It's a loooong shot that this will get answered, but I do have a question for kimaphan / blizzard.

What is your reasoning for (correctly) acknowledging the higher difficulty and greater number of high caliber players in the Korean region and raising the prize pool accordingly, but leaving the points pool exactly the same? I don't understand how one thing could happen without the other?

Anyone else feel free to help me understand too lol
SooYoung-Noona!
Noizhende
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria328 Posts
November 21 2013 14:41 GMT
#551
I hate really hate, that they are removing the season finals. Those were the interesting parts of the 2013 wcs.
Die neuen Tempel haben schon Risse - künftige Ruinen - einst wächst Gras auch über diese Stadt - über ihre letzte Schicht
KingLeonardo
Profile Joined August 2011
12 Posts
November 21 2013 14:44 GMT
#552
On November 21 2013 08:28 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 08:28 KingLeonardo wrote:
Difference between 1st and 2nd place prize at GSL Code S is unbelievable. This should be changed otherwise the players in the final will make a deal before the games are even played. That's not what we want, right?


What, we fgc now?

And fgc means?
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
November 21 2013 14:53 GMT
#553
On November 21 2013 08:21 NovaMB wrote:
70.000.000 Won is roughly 66.000 dollars. Pretty damn good pricepool.
I feel a bit sad that OGN is gone, I really enjoyed listening to Doa and Montecristo.

The ladder spots are open to everyone on the planet I assume?


I had to go check, but HOLY SHIT that is a huge increase! Now Korea really will be the premier region.
korrekt
Profile Joined March 2011
76 Posts
November 21 2013 14:57 GMT
#554
On November 21 2013 23:36 ffadicted wrote:
It's a loooong shot that this will get answered, but I do have a question for kimaphan / blizzard.

What is your reasoning for (correctly) acknowledging the higher difficulty and greater number of high caliber players in the Korean region and raising the prize pool accordingly, but leaving the points pool exactly the same? I don't understand how one thing could happen without the other?

Anyone else feel free to help me understand too lol

If you look closely, the korean price pool hasn't been raised by a lot... Though the winner gets a lot more, than in the other two regions, the total price pool is only ~150k $, compared to 131k $ for europe and america.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
November 21 2013 14:57 GMT
#555
On November 21 2013 23:41 Noizhende wrote:
I hate really hate, that they are removing the season finals. Those were the interesting parts of the 2013 wcs.

I agree, enjoyed them a lot. Seems like we were in the minority though for some reason :S
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
November 21 2013 14:59 GMT
#556
On November 21 2013 23:57 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:41 Noizhende wrote:
I hate really hate, that they are removing the season finals. Those were the interesting parts of the 2013 wcs.

I agree, enjoyed them a lot. Seems like we were in the minority though for some reason :S

I don't think they were very fair in terms of WCS points. It's really unfortunate there isn't anything similar to replace them though.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
November 21 2013 14:59 GMT
#557
On November 21 2013 23:57 korrekt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:36 ffadicted wrote:
It's a loooong shot that this will get answered, but I do have a question for kimaphan / blizzard.

What is your reasoning for (correctly) acknowledging the higher difficulty and greater number of high caliber players in the Korean region and raising the prize pool accordingly, but leaving the points pool exactly the same? I don't understand how one thing could happen without the other?

Anyone else feel free to help me understand too lol

If you look closely, the korean price pool hasn't been raised by a lot... Though the winner gets a lot more, than in the other two regions, the total price pool is only ~150k $, compared to 131k $ for europe and america.


That was a request by GOM for some reason I will never understand. Blizzard had control over the amount of money, and they gave KR more, what GOM decided to do with that amount is up to them.

My original question stands though tbh
SooYoung-Noona!
Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
November 21 2013 15:11 GMT
#558
On November 21 2013 23:36 ffadicted wrote:
It's a loooong shot that this will get answered, but I do have a question for kimaphan / blizzard.

What is your reasoning for (correctly) acknowledging the higher difficulty and greater number of high caliber players in the Korean region and raising the prize pool accordingly, but leaving the points pool exactly the same? I don't understand how one thing could happen without the other?

Anyone else feel free to help me understand too lol



To me it makes sense. They want people from other regions to be at blizzcon. If they made it considerably higher wcs points for winning in Korea there would be little if no chance for other regions to participate in Blizzcon. I think this is really smart and the prize money is definitely making up for any extra points you would get.

Seriously just as a general statement about this Blizzard not only listened to the community but also followed through with it. Its a good day for eSports and I think this one deserves a standing ovation! GJ BLIZZ KEEP IT UP!!!
Noizhende
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria328 Posts
November 21 2013 15:12 GMT
#559
On November 21 2013 23:59 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:57 AxionSteel wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:41 Noizhende wrote:
I hate really hate, that they are removing the season finals. Those were the interesting parts of the 2013 wcs.

I agree, enjoyed them a lot. Seems like we were in the minority though for some reason :S

I don't think they were very fair in terms of WCS points. It's really unfortunate there isn't anything similar to replace them though.


The WCS points were an issue, yes, it's just sad, because the tournaments were awesome, but maybe Dreamhacks and IEMs can compensate for them.
Die neuen Tempel haben schon Risse - künftige Ruinen - einst wächst Gras auch über diese Stadt - über ihre letzte Schicht
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
November 21 2013 15:21 GMT
#560
I didn't quite get if there will still be one finals at the end of 2014, or if that's gone with the season finals too?
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