EPTFor some reason, I love keeping the Code A and Code S names too. It's ok for Blizz to be the new big guy on the block, but the nod to the roots warms my heart.
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
For some reason, I love keeping the Code A and Code S names too. It's ok for Blizz to be the new big guy on the block, but the nod to the roots warms my heart. | ||
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
On November 22 2013 00:21 Heartland wrote: I didn't quite get if there will still be one finals at the end of 2014, or if that's gone with the season finals too? Yes, Global Finals (hopefully at BlizzCon) will remain unchanged it seems. | ||
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vjcamarena
Spain493 Posts
On November 21 2013 23:36 ffadicted wrote: It's a loooong shot that this will get answered, but I do have a question for kimaphan / blizzard. What is your reasoning for (correctly) acknowledging the higher difficulty and greater number of high caliber players in the Korean region and raising the prize pool accordingly, but leaving the points pool exactly the same? I don't understand how one thing could happen without the other? Anyone else feel free to help me understand too lol Actually, what it seems to me is they acknowledged Korea as the most densely populated progamer area. Extra money=extra incentive to keep progaming (whoever wins WCS Korea is set for a year or two). The purpose is, I believe, to reach a level at which all SCII talent in the world is equally able to develop and all leagues are equally strong, so all leagues have equal points. Edit: And if the leagues aren't equally strong, the best league will beat the others in community tournaments (Dreamhacks et al) and get the extra points there. Only interpretation according to which it makes any sense. Thoughts? | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On November 22 2013 00:55 vjcamarena wrote: Actually, what it seems to me is they acknowledged Korea as the most densely populated progamer area. Extra money=extra incentive to keep progaming (whoever wins WCS Korea is set for a year or two). The purpose is, I believe, to reach a level at which all SCII talent in the world is equally able to develop and all leagues are equally strong, so all leagues have equal points. Edit: And if the leagues aren't equally strong, the ebst league will beat the others in community tournaments (Dreamhacks et al) and get the extra points there. Only interpretation according to which it makes any sense. Thoughts? The most known foreigners are basically at every community tournament, where the best koreans mostly stay at home. GSL Code S should at least have 1,5 - 2 times more points in store for the players than the other two imo. Also i dont get the money destribution. Shouldnt have GOM tried to get more from Blizz? (edit: i mean the sum, not the 1st gets all thing) | ||
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geokilla
Canada8220 Posts
On November 22 2013 00:59 andrewlt wrote: Unless OGN runs OSL multiple times, Koreans in the Korean region will be screwed in terms of points. Without the season finals, players competing in the GSL will have a hard time getting enough points to go to the global finals. WCS pretty much becomes a race to see which players can pad their points the most in non-WCS tournaments. Koreans can attend WCS Partner tournaments too. In fact, a lot of Koreans travel now. Though I do hope that the amount of non-WCS tournaments actually go down a bit. There's way too much weekend tournaments, causing nothing but fatigue and stress for the players. Take a look at this post Blizzcon era. We had Homestory Cup, then Red Bull, then Dreamhack, then IEM. And there's probably a bit more that I'm missing too. | ||
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carloskay
Colombia21 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 22 2013 01:15 carloskay wrote: So no more koreans playing in the american and south american league ? It'd be great if you first read the OP. | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
I strongly believe OGN will host their own set of tournaments especially with the Blizzard partner incentive program its now easier for other events to exist and help grow the scene  While I don't htink this will fix the NA and EU scene as of now I also think Semi-Region lock as it was well discussed is a Giant step in the right direction as well | ||
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SoulHarvester
Canada151 Posts
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On November 22 2013 00:55 vjcamarena wrote: Actually, what it seems to me is they acknowledged Korea as the most densely populated progamer area. Extra money=extra incentive to keep progaming (whoever wins WCS Korea is set for a year or two). The purpose is, I believe, to reach a level at which all SCII talent in the world is equally able to develop and all leagues are equally strong, so all leagues have equal points. Edit: And if the leagues aren't equally strong, the best league will beat the others in community tournaments (Dreamhacks et al) and get the extra points there. Only interpretation according to which it makes any sense. Thoughts? Understandable, but think about it. Region lock the way they did it is fine and dandy, but there's two much easier and natural ways of doing it: 1. Offer more money at all levels in Korea 2. Offer higher chance of making it to the Global Finals They tried doing 1, but failed at it because they're giving it all to first place. I could have gotten my conversion rates wrong, but looks like every spot other than first makes LESS money in Korea than they do in EU and AM, so from there, there is almost no incentive for koreans currently in AM and EU to leave and go back to korea to revive the scene with more competition, and expand the foreigner field in AM and EU As far as 2 goes, same thing. You think that equal points will help foreigners, but it won't, it'll keep koreans in AM and EU, cuz at the end of the day, unless you're winning the whole thing, you're gonna get the same amoutn of points and more money in FAR FAR easier regions... IMO even more koreans should jump ship and head to AM and EU now, and that's what I would suggest if I was their managers. Blizzard tried, but at the end of the day, by not giving more points to KR (their fault) and the stupid prize distribution (GOM's fault), they have failed at trying to do what they set out to do. And as far as the events outside of WCS, that's a moot point really, as only privileged koreans can manage to go and would've gone anyway regardless of these changes. Killing this region debate was actually an easy 3 step process: 1. Offer significant more money to Koreans from top to bottom as financial incentive for Koreans to compete back home. They have failed at this. The top level Koreans capable of winning the giant first place prize were already competing in WCS Korea. The mid/lower end koreans have no financial incentive to go play in a harder tournament to make less money. They have failed completely in this task. 2. Offer somewhat larger chances of making it to Global Finals by increasing the point pool. Doesn't have to be massive, but give incentive again for lower/mid tier koreans to compete back home by giving more points out to good performances in the hardest tournament in the world. They did nothing to mitigate this, and failed completely. There is no point incentive to go back home. 3. Host more tournaments for Koreans in Korea. This is up to third parties GOM, OGN, etc... GSL is now reduced to 3 a year instead of the old 5, and OSL is gone completely. No other tournaments announced. This is by far a worst case scenario. So the way I see it, how have they improved anything? The Korean scene is still f*cked with no way to help it improve coming in 2014. This soft region lock does little to help with the Korean invasion, as they still have some spots to sneak in from, and it'll be very hard to eliminate the current Korean population from those two tournaments (don't get me wrong though, this is good if blizz and GOM are gonna do jack sh*t about the points and prize distribution). The only improvements I see are (hopefully) better non-WCS events feeding into the WCS system, and the scheduling. Overall, 2014 is going to be a bad year for Starcraft in Korea unless something huge gets announced (more tournaments from third parties there, GOM hosting more than just the WCS GSLs, OGN making miraculous OSL comeback, etc...) I really would love to hear from blizz a response to this since kimaphan is lurknig in this thread, but I won't hold my breath lol PS: For the record, I'm not blaming this all on Blizzard. It's partially on them, partially on GOM, partially on OSL and partially on the non-existant third parties holding tournaments lol EDIT: Wooo, 3K posts ^^ Sexy Templar | ||
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Prince_Stranger
Kazakhstan762 Posts
On November 21 2013 07:25 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: OGN has rights to run both StarCraft and StarCraft II tournaments alongside WCS and will be able to run WCS global events that offer WCS points. StarCraft means BW? So, old bw tournaments can revive? | ||
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cpower
228 Posts
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:06 TaishiCi wrote: This isn't enough for Korea still... Here comes a flood of retirees... Korea will hold, but no more growth and slow decay will happen through the seasons. Prepare to say goodbye to many of the long time favorites and rising talent. More to Korea and less to AM/EU is needed. Actually you are wrong. Regarding Korea, this if the best thing Blizzard could have done. It is now up to other tournaments to make use of the freed up schedule to host more StarCraft tournaments in Korea. Seriously, do you think Blizzard should be responsible for setting up tons of tournaments and prize pools just to cater to one small country? As much as I like Korea, that makes no sense. And as to the prize pool in GSL, Mr. Chae has control over this and probably decided that's how he wanted it done, so don't blame Blizzard over that. We should be happy that GSL us back and hope for another Korean tournament to fill in the gaps. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 22 2013 02:14 cpower wrote: they are making the WCS global final another WCG . LOL No. This is going to be a tournament where more than three attending players have a chance. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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Gr33d
Germany423 Posts
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ftm
Australia47 Posts
"we got some downtime here artosis...talk to me man what you been up to? how's your kid?" | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
On November 22 2013 02:31 Gr33d wrote: If the system does not take care of the non EU / US players that are already in premier it will accomplish nothing.Expect to see viewer numbers shrinking further. I disagree with this. As long as they put forth a good production for the challenger matches, then I feel those will be really well viewed. | ||
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