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DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
November 21 2013 06:41 GMT
#461
Mhm I really would have liked Suppy's suggestion which is to region lock all qualifiers but leave premier and challenger the same. This means more NA players in Challenger which forces the 'muricans to train harder and push the Koreans out while the good Koreans everyone wants to see are still there :D
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eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
November 21 2013 06:48 GMT
#462
I really like the partial region lock, GSL being back, and the simplification of the format a lot. I'm really looking forward to WCS '14 now and will probably start re-buying GSL subsciptions, Idk why but it makes me want to more.
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 21 2013 06:50 GMT
#463
i mostly like this but i'm kind of surprised at how many points the non-WCS major events produce. you get 2k points for winning a GSL/WCS, but you get 1.5k for winning a DH/MLG etc.? that feels really strange to me. as soon as you have a few major tournaments during one season of WCS, they are gonna outweigh the overall amount of points from the actual WCS events, especially now that there are no more season finals.a
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Hammer442
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia749 Posts
November 21 2013 06:55 GMT
#464
On November 21 2013 15:50 Schelim wrote:
i mostly like this but i'm kind of surprised at how many points the non-WCS major events produce. you get 2k points for winning a GSL/WCS, but you get 1.5k for winning a DH/MLG etc.? that feels really strange to me. as soon as you have a few major tournaments during one season of WCS, they are gonna outweigh the overall amount of points from the actual WCS events, especially now that there are no more season finals.a

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/CQ01ZUK2Y8A91384986003588.jpg

Not many tournaments will qualify for the highest tier.
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
November 21 2013 06:57 GMT
#465
Sounds perfect.

One thing I don't understand however: is Korea included in "southeast asia" in the WCS AM slots or is it all about the ladder wild card if they wish to participate in WCS AM? Also, there is no chance outside ladder for Koreans to do WCS EU, as they only accept Europe/Africa/Middle East? I'm sorry if this is obvious or something. It doesn't feel like partial region locking, more like complete locking with small loopholes but that's a good thing.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 21 2013 06:58 GMT
#466
I remember several Koreans saying that they would like the first prize to be bigger in the regional finals, last year. I wouldn't be sure that Gom was the only party in support of this prize distribution.
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
November 21 2013 07:02 GMT
#467
On November 21 2013 15:55 Hammer442 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 15:50 Schelim wrote:
i mostly like this but i'm kind of surprised at how many points the non-WCS major events produce. you get 2k points for winning a GSL/WCS, but you get 1.5k for winning a DH/MLG etc.? that feels really strange to me. as soon as you have a few major tournaments during one season of WCS, they are gonna outweigh the overall amount of points from the actual WCS events, especially now that there are no more season finals.a

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/CQ01ZUK2Y8A91384986003588.jpg

Not many tournaments will qualify for the highest tier.

hmm, are you saying this cause of the prizepool requirement? cause i'm pretty sure all the major tournaments have all the other points listed.
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Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 07:30:32
November 21 2013 07:10 GMT
#468
On November 21 2013 15:55 Hammer442 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 15:50 Schelim wrote:
i mostly like this but i'm kind of surprised at how many points the non-WCS major events produce. you get 2k points for winning a GSL/WCS, but you get 1.5k for winning a DH/MLG etc.? that feels really strange to me. as soon as you have a few major tournaments during one season of WCS, they are gonna outweigh the overall amount of points from the actual WCS events, especially now that there are no more season finals.a

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/CQ01ZUK2Y8A91384986003588.jpg

Not many tournaments will qualify for the highest tier.



That image got me wondering why if casters are optional for the smallest of three tournament sizes, why does it say "number of players on-site: 4+" ? That is, a $10k online tournament can't exactly have players "on site" It seems kind of pointless to dictate that, especially in the case of existing tournaments that might be affected.

Are these simply parameters if you want your tournament to be part of WCS? Is it just automatic as long as you meet the parameters?

From OP:
**Note that meeting the requirements listed above does not automatically grant you partner status -- we'd like to work with you directly to ensure your event fits well into the schedule and doesn't overlap other partner events.


I guess that answers half of my questions. It still seems a bit dangerous if there are an increasing number of WCS partners, which can lead too frankly too many WCS points being awarded outside of the WCS proper.
ishida66
Profile Joined May 2011
Japan74 Posts
November 21 2013 07:18 GMT
#469
"OGN will remain our partner outside of the WCS and will produce entertainment shows and tournaments for Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft. "

that sounds.... bad.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
November 21 2013 07:21 GMT
#470
Blizzard stepping it up!
Hammer442
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia749 Posts
November 21 2013 07:21 GMT
#471
On November 21 2013 16:02 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 15:55 Hammer442 wrote:
On November 21 2013 15:50 Schelim wrote:
i mostly like this but i'm kind of surprised at how many points the non-WCS major events produce. you get 2k points for winning a GSL/WCS, but you get 1.5k for winning a DH/MLG etc.? that feels really strange to me. as soon as you have a few major tournaments during one season of WCS, they are gonna outweigh the overall amount of points from the actual WCS events, especially now that there are no more season finals.a

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/CQ01ZUK2Y8A91384986003588.jpg

Not many tournaments will qualify for the highest tier.

hmm, are you saying this cause of the prizepool requirement? cause i'm pretty sure all the major tournaments have all the other points listed.

Yeah just the prizepool, most tournaments that were tier 1 this year did not have the prize pool required for the new highest tier.
MyrMindservant
Profile Joined October 2013
695 Posts
November 21 2013 07:30 GMT
#472
On November 21 2013 16:02 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 15:55 Hammer442 wrote:
On November 21 2013 15:50 Schelim wrote:
i mostly like this but i'm kind of surprised at how many points the non-WCS major events produce. you get 2k points for winning a GSL/WCS, but you get 1.5k for winning a DH/MLG etc.? that feels really strange to me. as soon as you have a few major tournaments during one season of WCS, they are gonna outweigh the overall amount of points from the actual WCS events, especially now that there are no more season finals.a

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/CQ01ZUK2Y8A91384986003588.jpg

Not many tournaments will qualify for the highest tier.

hmm, are you saying this cause of the prizepool requirement? cause i'm pretty sure all the major tournaments have all the other points listed.

Exactly because of the the prize pool requirement. Take a look at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments
In 2013 only three non-WCS tournaments had (2 in the past + DH Winter) $75k prize pool or higher: IEM Season VII World Championship, 2013 MLG Winter Championship, 2013 DreamHack Open: Winter.
Assuming that MLG won't continue to organize SC2 tournaments any more or that their new tournaments will have lower prize pool, this leaves us with only 2 tournaments that can qualify for the highest tier. And one of those tournaments (DH Winter) takes place during WCS off-season.
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 07:37:50
November 21 2013 07:36 GMT
#473
I do like the NA/EU challenger matches. Has that feeling of everything being on the line.

But I am quite confused by the ladder wildcards. How are they chosen (highest rank, special qualifier)?
therabit
Profile Joined August 2011
795 Posts
November 21 2013 07:56 GMT
#474
sounds like good changes. I'm excited for gsl now and I haven't been for quite a while. Hopefully OGN can make some OSL happen too that would be amazing!
Ariovist
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany430 Posts
November 21 2013 08:05 GMT
#475
Everything taken together, I really like the changes. It makes me looking forward to 2014, which after this season I thought might not happen anymore. Making the Challenger games BO5 deathmatch is a cool way of making those games actually matter - I just hope they announce the dates for challenger games earlier so that opponents can prepare for each other - this always gives the best games!! This season sometimes they announced very very late.

Giving more space to the scene overall is good and I am curious whether or not hte RO32 premier will be live - if so then I think the changes are pretty much as good as it can get.

Great Job, Blizzard!
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
November 21 2013 08:06 GMT
#476
MLG, and Twitch, did a remarkable job in
producing WCS and bringing StarCraft II eSports
to a global audience.


Yeah, about that...
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CycoDude
Profile Joined November 2010
United States326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 08:08:53
November 21 2013 08:08 GMT
#477
i like these changes; they address many concerns surrounding wcs 2013. i'm optimistic about 2014!
Gaius Baltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States449 Posts
November 21 2013 08:11 GMT
#478
Hoping NA/EU use the extra time to grant a whole day to the finals.
Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
November 21 2013 08:16 GMT
#479
OGN has rights to run both StarCraft and StarCraft II tournaments alongside WCS


Man, I hope so badly this means OGN might be hosting a BW tournament in 2014. =D
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Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
November 21 2013 08:19 GMT
#480
Woot !! Code "S" is back and its about time. The best of the best in one league as it should be, with the best production team to go with it. I am excited once more and cant wait for the new season to start
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