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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
November 21 2013 04:44 GMT
#421
On November 21 2013 13:42 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 13:37 Yhamm wrote:
On November 21 2013 13:34 Bonkarooni wrote:
So does the first Code A season have 72 players in it?...24 qualify, 24 from code A, and 24 knocked down from premier that get to try to qualify again? that seems...insane...

it explicitly say 36 new + 12 old for the first season, for a total of 48 players in Code A


No it doesn't, it says 24+24...

read the (*) on the picture please
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12328 Posts
November 21 2013 04:47 GMT
#422
On November 21 2013 13:44 Yhamm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 13:42 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 21 2013 13:37 Yhamm wrote:
On November 21 2013 13:34 Bonkarooni wrote:
So does the first Code A season have 72 players in it?...24 qualify, 24 from code A, and 24 knocked down from premier that get to try to qualify again? that seems...insane...

it explicitly say 36 new + 12 old for the first season, for a total of 48 players in Code A


No it doesn't, it says 24+24...

read the (*) on the picture please


Count the number of spots listed under "season 1 exception" please.

Also who would be the "first 12" from challenger league? That's 8 spots from the brackets, and... 4 spots from the groups? That makes no sense.
No will to live, no wish to die
titan55
Profile Joined July 2009
United States227 Posts
November 21 2013 04:53 GMT
#423
Them Koreans must love top heavy prize pools
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
November 21 2013 04:54 GMT
#424
Well I had no idea South Korea was that close to Japan. I always thought it was bunched up with Laos and Vietnam.
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 04:55:48
November 21 2013 04:55 GMT
#425
On November 21 2013 13:47 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 13:44 Yhamm wrote:
On November 21 2013 13:42 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 21 2013 13:37 Yhamm wrote:
On November 21 2013 13:34 Bonkarooni wrote:
So does the first Code A season have 72 players in it?...24 qualify, 24 from code A, and 24 knocked down from premier that get to try to qualify again? that seems...insane...

it explicitly say 36 new + 12 old for the first season, for a total of 48 players in Code A


No it doesn't, it says 24+24...

read the (*) on the picture please


Count the number of spots listed under "season 1 exception" please.

Also who would be the "first 12" from challenger league? That's 8 spots from the brackets, and... 4 spots from the groups? That makes no sense.

(*)Season 1 exception will have 36 players coming up from the qualifiers and a total of 48 players in code A (36 old, 12 new...

how doest that make 72?
the 12 old are certainly the 12 players that won the 12 brackets in WCS KR Challenger league season 3
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12328 Posts
November 21 2013 04:56 GMT
#426
On November 21 2013 13:55 Yhamm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 13:47 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 21 2013 13:44 Yhamm wrote:
On November 21 2013 13:42 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 21 2013 13:37 Yhamm wrote:
On November 21 2013 13:34 Bonkarooni wrote:
So does the first Code A season have 72 players in it?...24 qualify, 24 from code A, and 24 knocked down from premier that get to try to qualify again? that seems...insane...

it explicitly say 36 new + 12 old for the first season, for a total of 48 players in Code A


No it doesn't, it says 24+24...

read the (*) on the picture please


Count the number of spots listed under "season 1 exception" please.

Also who would be the "first 12" from challenger league? That's 8 spots from the brackets, and... 4 spots from the groups? That makes no sense.

(*)Season 1 exception will have 36 players coming up from the qualifiers and a total of 48 players in code A (36 old, 12 new...

how doest that make 72?
the 12 old are certainly the 12 players that won the 12 brackets in WCS KR Challenger league season 3


No I just wasn't in Korea for some reason. Sorry about that.
No will to live, no wish to die
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
November 21 2013 05:00 GMT
#427
On November 21 2013 13:54 Ansinjunger wrote:
Well I had no idea South Korea was that close to Japan. I always thought it was bunched up with Laos and Vietnam.

facepalm
World geography sure is a skill that needs to be better taught in school t.t
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
November 21 2013 05:06 GMT
#428
This isn't enough for Korea still...
Here comes a flood of retirees...
Korea will hold, but no more growth and slow decay will happen through the seasons.
Prepare to say goodbye to many of the long time favorites and rising talent.

More to Korea and less to AM/EU is needed.
Dae Han Min Gook Man Sae!!!
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 06:50:45
November 21 2013 05:09 GMT
#429
On November 21 2013 14:06 TaishiCi wrote:
This isn't enough for Korea still...
Here comes a flood of retirees...
Korea will hold, but no more growth and slow decay will happen through the seasons.
Prepare to say goodbye to many of the long time favorites and rising talent.

More to Korea and less to AM/EU is needed.


Lol get real man . . . anyone who retires from Korea because of this is already at the bottom of the barrel.

X3 grand prize pool relative to foreign regions is more than enough difference.


*Edited to reflect "grand" prize pool not total prize pool.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
ForLethr
Profile Joined November 2013
80 Posts
November 21 2013 05:16 GMT
#430
Q. In light of the partial region lock for America and Europe, what happens to the existing Korean and European players in Premier and Challenger?
The existing non-resident players in WCS America and WCS Europe Premier and Challenger leagues can stay in the region for 2014. Their status is guaranteed so long as they remain at the Premier/Challenger level. Once any players drop out, they must re-qualify through through the designated WCS 2014 Qualifier slots.

This means we will still see many Korean players in WCS EU and WCS AM. Things won't change a lot.
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
November 21 2013 05:21 GMT
#431
On November 21 2013 14:06 TaishiCi wrote:
This isn't enough for Korea still...
Here comes a flood of retirees...
Korea will hold, but no more growth and slow decay will happen through the seasons.
Prepare to say goodbye to many of the long time favorites and rising talent.

More to Korea and less to AM/EU is needed.


If the Korean SC2 is that weak and desperate for money Blizzard should stop wasting money on a dying scene.

Why haven't any organizations in Korea (GOM or OGN or whomever) made any weekend tournaments with open brackets like DH, MLG, IEM, NASL, IPL, etc? There is nothing stopping someone like GOM to run a weekend event with open brackets (or limited to pro-players/invitees) and offering a prize pool of $10,000 or $25,000 USD. Start crying to companies like GOM and OGN to run more events. You can't depend on Blizzard for everything. Even this past year we had events from MLG, DH, Asus ROG, and IEM that weren't Blizzard controlled and still coincided with WCS.

There is nothing stopping GOM or OGN, take it up with them stop blaming Blizzard for a scene that can barely support what they have already.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 05:27:51
November 21 2013 05:23 GMT
#432
On November 21 2013 12:51 Scarecrow wrote:
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On November 21 2013 12:49 Pokebunny wrote:
On November 21 2013 11:36 goswser wrote:
On November 21 2013 10:55 Pokebunny wrote:
On November 21 2013 10:14 Boucot wrote:
I really hope they do RO32 offline. Players have to commit in the regions they chose.

Except then it still fucking sucks for Americans (won't speak for Europeans because idk) too, because it's a lot harder for an American to be a full-time professional gamer and simply move their life somewhere to play. In Korea everything is centered in Seoul and there are a lot of team houses.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. A full offline ro32 is the best situation for WCS NA if flights aren't paid for by blizzard because this would region lock America much more than blizzard's stupid new system ever will.

I mean it would region lock it sure but you aren't gonna give very much chance to any American who does not play full time. It completely destroys any chance of up and comers.

Why do part-time americans deserve spots over players from countries with no WCS (Australia/China)?

I mean you can put it that way but the reality is that there is no way for an American to make enough money to play fulltime unless they already are popular or well known. You can be idealistic and say that the hardest workers always deserve the spots but then we will end up with a similar scene to BW where all the foreigners are just amateurs because there is not enough money for them to play full time. Is that ideal? Probably not. For example if Suppy wasn't able to play in major tournaments due to school, he probably wouldn't have had enough success that he would have taken a year off of college. These are the things that promote competition and escalate the level of play and make it possible for Americans to go full time. We don't have a LoL-esque system where players are paid to live in houses and play full time at the site of WCS. We have dozens of Americans who are good enough to take games off of B tier Koreans / A tier foreigners that need to be able to compete if we expect the scene to survive long-term.
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MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
November 21 2013 05:27 GMT
#433
I'm really liking the look of these changes for the most part.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
November 21 2013 05:28 GMT
#434
On November 21 2013 12:01 bourne117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 08:28 Noobity wrote:
On November 21 2013 08:27 s.a.y wrote:
The existing non-resident players in WCS America and WCS Europe Premier and Challenger leagues can stay in the region for 2014. Their status is guaranteed so long as they remain at the Premier/Challenger level.

Will this be a problem for WCS NA?


I think you'll have a lot of them leaving for GSL, but this is a great compromise. I'm sure some of the pros aren't going to be happy, but from a spectator point of view I think a lot of us who were pro-region lock will be pleased.

Yeah no they won't be. The only Koreans there that can compete in Code S are JD Taeja and Maybe Hero. That is the misconception everyone has about the Koreans coming over. It was never the best of the best. It was Code B and B teamers. Taeja and JD MIGHT go back but doubtful since they are still more likely to make more money in WCS NA.





not maybe, definitely.
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 21 2013 05:29 GMT
#435
On November 21 2013 14:00 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 13:54 Ansinjunger wrote:
Well I had no idea South Korea was that close to Japan. I always thought it was bunched up with Laos and Vietnam.

facepalm
World geography sure is a skill that needs to be better taught in school t.t

Not really.
Refer to my post.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 21 2013 05:31 GMT
#436
Blizz didn't do a very good job increasing the prizepool considering the removal of season finals. It's actually quite a lot less.
Refer to my post.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
November 21 2013 05:31 GMT
#437
On November 21 2013 14:16 ForLethr wrote:
Q. In light of the partial region lock for America and Europe, what happens to the existing Korean and European players in Premier and Challenger?
The existing non-resident players in WCS America and WCS Europe Premier and Challenger leagues can stay in the region for 2014. Their status is guaranteed so long as they remain at the Premier/Challenger level. Once any players drop out, they must re-qualify through through the designated WCS 2014 Qualifier slots.

This means we will still see many Korean players in WCS EU and WCS AM. Things won't change a lot.

Pretty much the only change is playing a BO5 instead of 3-5 sets of BO3's. And once you're out you can't come back (unless you can win ladder wildcard). So by the volatility of winning a BO5 and the directional permeability of the WCS AM/EU, the number of Koreans will go down.
very illegal and very uncool
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
November 21 2013 05:33 GMT
#438
On November 21 2013 14:31 Zenbrez wrote:
Blizz didn't do a very good job increasing the prizepool considering the removal of season finals. It's actually quite a lot less.

They didn't increase the prize pool, they kept the same total prize pool as 2013: $1.6 million. They redistributed the season final money into the regionals.
very illegal and very uncool
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
November 21 2013 05:33 GMT
#439
Looks awesome, great job Blizzard. I think we have a great year ahead of us.
RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
November 21 2013 05:38 GMT
#440
Changes look pretty smart. Glad to see they aren't afraid to structure individual regions differently based on their respective needs and opportunities.
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
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