EPTReally, kudos to you Blizzard. Very few games nowadays are ever touched after release; Blizzard is one of the few companies that cares to put out and maintain a quality product.
WCS 2014: Partial Region Lock, GSL returns, and more - Pag…
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chairmobile
United States111 Posts
Really, kudos to you Blizzard. Very few games nowadays are ever touched after release; Blizzard is one of the few companies that cares to put out and maintain a quality product. | ||
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
Anyways, I'm really looking forward to next year. | ||
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PandaTank
South Africa255 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:46 PandaTank wrote: Good changes over all. Although personally bad for me Africa is considered part of EU Region so you don't need a VISA into Europe to participate in qualifiers and stuff | ||
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pretensile
135 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:09 SCST wrote: Lol get real man . . . anyone who retires from Korea because of this is already at the bottom of the barrel. X3 prize pool relative to foreign regions is more than enough difference. May I ask how you did your math? Here is the breakdown (challenger + premier league): WCS 2014 prize pools per tournament (three seasons) America $140,600 (x3) Europe $140,600 (x3) Korea 177 million won (~$167,000) (x3) $250k Global Finals = $1.59 million total WCS 2013 prize pools per tournament (three seasons) America $104,800 (x3) Europe $104,800 (x3) Korea 151-153 million won (~$138,000) (x3) $250k Global Finals $150k Season Finals (x3) = $1.743 million GSL 2011-2012 + season 1 2013 Code S/A 172.8 million won (~$162,000) (5-7 tourneys per year) = ~$810k (2011), ~$1.134 million (2012) (Korea only) As you can see, prize pools are actually somewhat less than 2013 overall for WCS. The $150k Season Finals pot was split up to add about $36k to each of the AM/EU pots and $30k to the Korean pot. This is about $48k less than the original $150k Season Finals pot, which accounts for the difference by year. As for the OSL, I don't really see Ongamenet swallowing their pride and accepting their position as a second-tier tournament to the GSL, which is essentially what they would be doing with non-WCS status and a lower prize pot. The OSL has always been the most prestigious and storied Starleague in Korea, and there's too much bad blood between GOMTV and Ongamenet for me to foresee that happening. Keep in mind too that from 2010 to most of 2012, the Starcraft 2 scene in Korea was comprised almost entirely of eSF players. KESPA, which didn't make the switch until the latter half of 2012, didn't start participating in the GSL until GSL season 4 of 2012. Let's say, conservatively, that the KESPA infusion doubled the total number of SC2 progamers in Korea. If you're going from $1.134 million prize pool in 2012 to $414k in 2013 (actually closer to $1.2 mill to $576k if you factor in Auction All-Kill OSL 2012 and GSL Season 1 2013), it's clear you're going to have a problem. Double the players with less than half the prize pool for that region? Hmm. | ||
digmouse
China6329 Posts
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PandaTank
South Africa255 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:48 lichter wrote: Africa is considered part of EU Region so you don't need a VISA into Europe to participate in qualifiers and stuff Are you sure that's how it works? "If a player would like to compete in a Qualifier for a specific country or region, that player must be either a citizen, be a permanent resident (Green Card) or have a valid, non-visitor visa for a country in that region which would allow them to compete in the Qualifier." To me, that seems like even if you are part of the "EU Region" you still need to fit one of those three criteria to be eligible. With the exception of the ladder wildcards, which are not subject to any of those conditions. | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:55 T.O.P. wrote: OGN essentially dropped SC2. That's pretty bad for starcraft. Now people can't watch sc2 by channel surfing. Koreans have to actively look for SC2 broadcasts to watch it. How will that help SC2 gain traction in Korea? They stopped broadcasting it on tv after season 2, I didn't expect them to start again | ||
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Marcinko
South Africa1014 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:46 PandaTank wrote: Good changes over all. Although personally bad for me Really hope you can make it in 2014. Rooting for you! | ||
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:21 TeslasPigeon wrote: If the Korean SC2 is that weak and desperate for money Blizzard should stop wasting money on a dying scene. Why haven't any organizations in Korea (GOM or OGN or whomever) made any weekend tournaments with open brackets like DH, MLG, IEM, NASL, IPL, etc? There is nothing stopping someone like GOM to run a weekend event with open brackets (or limited to pro-players/invitees) and offering a prize pool of $10,000 or $25,000 USD. Start crying to companies like GOM and OGN to run more events. You can't depend on Blizzard for everything. Even this past year we had events from MLG, DH, Asus ROG, and IEM that weren't Blizzard controlled and still coincided with WCS. There is nothing stopping GOM or OGN, take it up with them stop blaming Blizzard for a scene that can barely support what they have already. I have to agree with this. I want to support the best players in the world but if no one in Korea is watching and they'd rather play mobas (which is fine) I don't know what Blizzard are supposed to do about it other than what they already are. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:54 PandaTank wrote: Are you sure that's how it works? "If a player would like to compete in a Qualifier for a specific country or region, that player must be either a citizen, be a permanent resident (Green Card) or have a valid, non-visitor visa for a country in that region which would allow them to compete in the Qualifier." To me, that seems like even if you are part of the "EU Region" you still need to fit one of those three criteria to be eligible. With the exception of the ladder wildcards, which are not subject to any of those conditions. Yes. Otherwise it would not make sense to hold spots for TW/HK/Macau, SEA/Oceania, and China in WCS AM. Players from those countries are eligible for those allotted slots. Since Africa is included in EU, then you should also be allowed into the qualifiers without extra requirements. | ||
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Marcinko
South Africa1014 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:57 lichter wrote: Yes. Otherwise it would not make sense to hold spots for TW/HK/Macau, SEA/Oceania, and China in WCS AM. Players from those countries are eligible for those allotted slots. Since Africa is included in EU, then you should also be allowed into the qualifiers without extra requirements. Pretty much what he said.  | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:54 PandaTank wrote: Are you sure that's how it works? "If a player would like to compete in a Qualifier for a specific country or region, that player must be either a citizen, be a permanent resident (Green Card) or have a valid, non-visitor visa for a country in that region which would allow them to compete in the Qualifier." To me, that seems like even if you are part of the "EU Region" you still need to fit one of those three criteria to be eligible. With the exception of the ladder wildcards, which are not subject to any of those conditions. And since South Africa is considered a part of EU region for WCS 2014 and you are from South Africa... you should be fine. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Bogeyman
Sweden307 Posts
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Lambertus
South Africa973 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:57 lichter wrote: Yes. Otherwise it would not make sense to hold spots for TW/HK/Macau, SEA/Oceania, and China in WCS AM. Players from those countries are eligible for those allotted slots. Since Africa is included in EU, then you should also be allowed into the qualifiers without extra requirements. I think so too, and I would definetly suggest that you try and contact somebody important over there to make sure you can participate. We need you representin! Go PandaTank ! | ||
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Daeracon
Sweden199 Posts
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AskJoshy
United States1625 Posts
On November 21 2013 14:54 PandaTank wrote: Are you sure that's how it works? "If a player would like to compete in a Qualifier for a specific country or region, that player must be either a citizen, be a permanent resident (Green Card) or have a valid, non-visitor visa for a country in that region which would allow them to compete in the Qualifier." To me, that seems like even if you are part of the "EU Region" you still need to fit one of those three criteria to be eligible. With the exception of the ladder wildcards, which are not subject to any of those conditions. It is intended for you to be able to participate in the European qualifiers, along with anyone playing from other nations in Africa or the Middle East. Wild Card for Europe essentially means players from NA/SA/China/Taiwan/SEA/Oceania/Korea. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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