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On November 21 2013 13:19 SCST wrote:
Total Koreans in WCS Season 3 by region:
WCS America [23 players]
WCS Europe [11]
So all of these players are grandfathered in? How the hell is it possible to give regional qualifier seeds with this many grandfathered players form outside the region? I'm clearly missing something - anyone help me understand here? Thanks!
Total is either 64 or 72 spots, challenger league is included (it's not a league anymore, just a match, but it's included).
edit: also some of the people in your list have retired, and some will probably go back to Korea.
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On November 21 2013 13:11 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +
Therefore seems like we must setup some kind of hit system to knock koreans out slowly but surely. Money rewards or something ;o
Hey Huk - how about you beat them.. With you know, skill.
Such a noob. Feel like Naniwa and Scarlett the only foreigners who take this shit seriously.
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On November 21 2013 12:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 12:54 lichter wrote:On November 21 2013 12:52 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Okay Huk thought korea was part of South east Asia
SERIOUSLY ... Is he being serious? COME ON Oh deleted, looks like he decided to read the rules and maybe ask someone if he was right. Seriously, he is like a walking PR "Do not do this" lesson. Do not post blogs about rules that you read once Do not freak out on twitter about rules that are clearly more detailed that in the press release Do not assume things about the rules without consulting with someone.
Didn't Huk posted a blog once asking why there were a lot of people against him?
I'm starting to see a trend...
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France7248 Posts
On November 21 2013 13:19 SCST wrote:
So all of these players are grandfathered in? How the hell is it possible to give regional qualifier seeds with this many grandfathered players form outside the region? I'm clearly missing something - anyone help me understand here? Thanks!
some players are in seeded in Premier League, the other will have to play the Bo5 match in the Challenger LEague against the players that qualified (with the regional seeds)
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On November 21 2013 13:19 SCST wrote:
Total Koreans in WCS Season 3 by region:
So all of these players are grandfathered in? How the hell is it possible to give regional qualifier seeds with this many grandfathered players form outside the region? I'm clearly missing something - anyone help me understand here? Thanks!
Most of those players are in Challenger League. Look back at my posts for the players who are in Premier and Challenger. Some of those players are not in Challenger.
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On November 21 2013 13:20 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 13:19 SCST wrote:
Total Koreans in WCS Season 3 by region:
WCS America [23 players]
WCS Europe [11]
So all of these players are grandfathered in? How the hell is it possible to give regional qualifier seeds with this many grandfathered players form outside the region? I'm clearly missing something - anyone help me understand here? Thanks!
Total is either 64 or 72 spots, challenger league is included (it's not a league anymore, just a match, but it's included). edit: also some of the people in your list have retired, and some will probably go back to Korea.
Ah thanks. Not bad then - pretty much exactly what I was hoping for in all respects.
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On November 21 2013 12:51 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 12:49 Pokebunny wrote:On November 21 2013 11:36 goswser wrote:On November 21 2013 10:55 Pokebunny wrote:On November 21 2013 10:14 Boucot wrote:
I really hope they do RO32 offline. Players have to commit in the regions they chose. Except then it still fucking sucks for Americans (won't speak for Europeans because idk) too, because it's a lot harder for an American to be a full-time professional gamer and simply move their life somewhere to play. In Korea everything is centered in Seoul and there are a lot of team houses. Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. A full offline ro32 is the best situation for WCS NA if flights aren't paid for by blizzard because this would region lock America much more than blizzard's stupid new system ever will. I mean it would region lock it sure but you aren't gonna give very much chance to any American who does not play full time. It completely destroys any chance of up and comers. Why do part-time americans deserve spots over players from countries with no WCS (Australia/China)?
I think you are missing the point. Based on what the player above is asking, even good NA players cannot always play in the RO32 because the United States is vast and spread out, where will the RO32 offline be held? Going to pay hundreds of dollars for flight/hotel/food + commit time away from work/school to play in the lowest playing round? Even if your goal is region locking, this method also hurts local players.
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Going to be terrible for the guy who takes silver in GSL more than ever. The winner gets more than four times the prize money of second place. That's probably the most lopsided distribution in any major event.
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I really like all the new stuff. Huge improvement over 2013. I am super excited for all of this. Glad Korea is getting such a large prize pool. Good on Blizzard for investing so much into this. I know people complain about them, but shit a company is throwing money around for this game hand over fist. It is pretty impressive if you ask me.
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I'm very excited for these changes! Simplifying how tournaments work is always a benefit to newer watchers, and seeing more weekend tournaments come back and have significant contribution to players in the WCS rankings is awesome! Those tournaments were always my favorite.
My only concern is that players could get a really bad draw in Challenger League, seeing how it's just one bo5. I would've preferred if they did a 32 man, 8 group dual tournament format for challenger (same as ro32 in premier league). But overall, great news from Blizzard
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On November 21 2013 13:20 argonautdice wrote:
So WCS AM will have a max of 21/32 Koreans for season 1, and max of 11/32 for EU.
Unfortunately, Ryung, SSanaEE, Petreus, demu, Xigua, Vibe, Goswser, Jonsnow, Hasuobs, noname, jonnyrecco, elfi, Grubby, BBK, Mana, Thorzain don't get to keep their challenger spots and have to re-qualify
I think that Ryung is out of WCS America because we was knocked out of Challenger league. I hope that we get clarification soon.
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On November 21 2013 13:19 SCST wrote:
Total Koreans in WCS Season 3 by region:
WCS America [23 players]
Taeja
Revival
TheSTC
Ryung
Tassadar
Nestea
Alicia
Alive
Apocolypse
Lucky
Sage
SSanaEE
HwangSin
Hyun
Arthur
Crank
Polt
Jaedong
Oz
HerO
Byul
Hack
Heart
WCS Europe [11]
ForGG
Daisy
San
MVP
TAILS
Shuttle
duckdeok
MC
MMA
Stardust
Genius
So all of these players are grandfathered in? How the hell is it possible to give regional qualifier seeds with this many grandfathered players form outside the region? I'm clearly missing something - anyone help me understand here? Thanks!
Only top 24 of challenger league last season stays, so Lucky, Ryung, SSanaEE, Hwangsin, Shuttle, TAiLS are out (and can't come back unless they top the EU/AM ladder), so that makes 19 and 9 Koreans in AM/EU, and 12 + 4 of them are in Challenger, so only 7/32 and 5/32 are Koreans in Premier for sure.
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On November 21 2013 13:28 wizzrobe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 13:20 argonautdice wrote:
So WCS AM will have a max of 21/32 Koreans for season 1, and max of 11/32 for EU.
Unfortunately, Ryung, SSanaEE, Petreus, demu, Xigua, Vibe, Goswser, Jonsnow, Hasuobs, noname, jonnyrecco, elfi, Grubby, BBK, Mana, Thorzain don't get to keep their challenger spots and have to re-qualify I think that Ryung is out of WCS America because we was knocked out of Challenger league. I hope that we get clarification soon.
He got third in his group during group stage, which normally means staying in Challenger, but now it seems to mean that he's out (unless he moves to the Americas or top the NA ladder)
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On November 21 2013 13:28 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 13:19 SCST wrote:
Total Koreans in WCS Season 3 by region:
WCS America [23 players]
Taeja
Revival
TheSTC
Ryung
Tassadar
Nestea
Alicia
Alive
Apocolypse
Lucky
Sage
SSanaEE
HwangSin
Hyun
Arthur
Crank
Polt
Jaedong
Oz
HerO
Byul
Hack
Heart
WCS Europe [11]
ForGG
Daisy
San
MVP
TAILS
Shuttle
duckdeok
MC
MMA
Stardust
Genius
So all of these players are grandfathered in? How the hell is it possible to give regional qualifier seeds with this many grandfathered players form outside the region? I'm clearly missing something - anyone help me understand here? Thanks!
Only top 24 of challenger league last season stays, so Lucky, Ryung, SSanaEE, Hwangsin, Shuttle, TAiLS are out (and can't come back unless they top the EU/AM ladder), so that makes 19 and 9 Koreans in AM/EU, and 12 + 4 of them are in Challenger, so only 7/32 and 5/32 are Koreans in Premier for sure.
Clearest explanation thus far thanks!
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Very good changes. Well done Blizzard.
The only criticism I have is the more skewed distribution in GSL prize money compared to other regions, but I guess this may or may not be relevant since Blizzard did something very positive.
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So does the first Code A season have 72 players in it?...24 qualify, 24 from code A, and 24 knocked down from premier that get to try to qualify again? that seems...insane...
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The only thing that bugs me is the new challenger league setup for AM/EU. You have one opponent, one match. Realistically I foresee most of the same 32 players in each season's round of 32. At least people like Taeja should never lose a bo5 to a nonkorean coming up through qualifier, barring health issues.
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France7248 Posts
On November 21 2013 13:34 Bonkarooni wrote:
So does the first Code A season have 72 players in it?...24 qualify, 24 from code A, and 24 knocked down from premier that get to try to qualify again? that seems...insane...
it explicitly say 36 new + 12 old for the first season, for a total of 48 players in Code A
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From reading it all, this is what is happening NA/EU for season 1:
Top 8 Premier League stay there
We have 24 players from last seasons challenger league (I'd assume Bracket Winners (8) and top 2 of each challenger group (16)
We then have the regional qualifiers happen, which give us 24 more players for season 1.
These 24 players + 24 new qualifiers, play in one best of 5.
Winners of those, make premier league groups with the 8 top from last season. (so 24 Winners)
That gives us 32 in premier.
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On November 21 2013 13:37 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 13:34 Bonkarooni wrote:
So does the first Code A season have 72 players in it?...24 qualify, 24 from code A, and 24 knocked down from premier that get to try to qualify again? that seems...insane... it explicitly say 36 new + 12 old for the first season, for a total of 48 players in Code A
No it doesn't, it says 24+24...
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