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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:41 diwurn wrote: That's it for MLG and SC2 I guess... Hope Axeltoss and Axslav will find a new home! yep. I wouldn´t expect MLG to pick up SC2 again unless it gets an unforseen boost in fanbase. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Of course if MLG actually is dropping SC2, then Axeltoss and Axslav are better off searching for employment somewhere else. But the endless whining and emo shit about how "MLG never cared about us" or how they were only in it for the "money" (however the hell that works...) is mind-numbing. It's like watching a dumped girlfriend bitch on Facebook. | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:45 TeeTS wrote: yep. I wouldn´t expect MLG to pick up SC2 again unless it gets an unforseen boost in fanbase. i dont get it though, what game other then LoL gets bigger viewer numbers? but i am glad mlg is not running wcs anymore and sorta got sick and tired of MLG anyways. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:  MLG was doing a lot of fun community stuff lately. I guess you can't really pay two guys and a studio off of that though. I so hope we're going to get the story behind all those streams they did after MLG ditched SC2. Don't get me wrong, they were indeed lots of fun. But to me it always seemed like MLG still had two SC2 casters (or even parts of a production team) and a studio on contract and didn't know what to do with it. So MLG gave the guys the keys, said "Do whatever the hell you want, as long as you get viewers" and never looked back. And so they did. And it was always fun. But at times it felt like such a weird situation, too. The whole episode with the "water" bottle felt so much like they were saying "Yep, we're gonna get fired, so what're they gonna do? Fire us? Hah!" before the broadcast.. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:50 Conti wrote: I so hope we're going to get the story behind all those streams they did after MLG ditched SC2. Don't get me wrong, they were indeed lots of fun. But to me it always seemed like MLG still had two SC2 casters (or even parts of a production team) and a studio on contract and didn't know what to do with it. So MLG gave the guys the keys, said "Do whatever the hell you want, as long as you get viewers" and never looked back. And so they did. And it was always fun. But at times it felt like such a weird situation, too. The whole episode with the "water" bottle felt so much like they were saying "Yep, we're gonna get fired, so what're they gonna do? Fire us? Hah!" before the broadcast.. Uh...the whole "water" bottle thing was explicitly stated on air as them playing games drunk. That was the whole point of that broadcast... They were just being extremely coy about what they were drinking. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:45 TeeTS wrote: yep. I wouldn´t expect MLG to pick up SC2 again unless it gets an unforseen boost in fanbase. I don't think its about the fanbase/viewer numbers. Sure, Dota2 probably gets more viewers, but what Dota 2 has to offer is something that benefits MLG as well. For example, ticket sales to increase prize pools (like with this upcoming tournament), which makes the tournament even bigger. Wasn't there some discussion awhile back about MLG having to pay to Blizzard for hosting tournaments? | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:46 WolfintheSheep wrote: Of course if MLG actually is dropping SC2, then Axeltoss and Axslav are better off searching for employment somewhere else. But the endless whining and emo shit about how "MLG never cared about us" or how they were only in it for the "money" (however the hell that works...) is mind-numbing. It's like watching a dumped girlfriend bitch on Facebook. it's not that they never cared. MLG in 2011 was awesome. but they stopped caring quite a while ago. caring about money is fine, they're a for profit organization. but if you're gonna half-ass everything like they have been doing for the last year or so, you might as well just stop doing it completely. i guess i'm so mad cause they fucked up the beginning of WCS AM this year instead of just telling Blizzard straight up that they don't give a fuck and Blizz should get NASL to do it. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3683 Posts
On November 13 2013 18:39 Doublemint wrote: I hope they both get picked up - so much passion despite MLG being quite negligent of SC2 and its awesomeness. At least recently. MLG has dropped games in the past to pick'em up again later. Maybe they felt like with such a tight wcs schedule and them not being part of it anymore it'd be hard to be relevant. Maybe they are having financial issues (1 less event this year afterall) and paying blizz to run starcraft was just too expensive. Either way I'd wait until next year to see what mlgs plans for sc2 are, cause I feel like they are not 100% done with the game. Anyways really sucks to hear, as always when people loose their jobs in esports Hope both of them can continue on doing this. | ||
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DODswe4
Sweden2157 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:53 Grettin wrote: I don't think its about the fanbase/viewer numbers. Sure, Dota2 probably gets more viewers, but what Dota 2 has to offer is something that benefits MLG as well. For example, ticket sales to increase prize pools (like with this upcoming tournament), which makes the tournament even bigger. Wasn't there some discussion awhile back about MLG having to pay to Blizzard for hosting tournaments? Yes, though that has been refuted by MLG, if I remember correctly. Then again, MLG said they initially cancelled SC2 from one of their events because Red Bull already signed up an event for that date, and you can't have 2 SC2 events at the same weekend. And the Red Bulle vent turned out to be an 8 player invitational. Soo.. Blizzard is completely fine with giving up a huge MLG tournament for an 8 player invitational, just because the latter was there first? And MLG is completely fine with that, too? Something just didn't add up, and it seemed like MLG used that as a convenient excuse (whether true or not) to ditch SC2 as a whole. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On November 13 2013 19:53 Grettin wrote: I don't think its about the fanbase/viewer numbers. Sure, Dota2 probably gets more viewers, but what Dota 2 has to offer is something that benefits MLG as well. For example, ticket sales to increase prize pools (like with this upcoming tournament), which makes the tournament even bigger. Wasn't there some discussion awhile back about MLG having to pay to Blizzard for hosting tournaments? that was proven to be false afaik | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
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Backlash123
Canada57 Posts
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Niko_Thien
Germany2671 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 13 2013 20:22 Conti wrote: Yes, though that has been refuted by MLG, if I remember correctly. Then again, MLG said they initially cancelled SC2 from one of their events because Red Bull already signed up an event for that date, and you can't have 2 SC2 events at the same weekend. And the Red Bulle vent turned out to be an 8 player invitational. Soo.. Blizzard is completely fine with giving up a huge MLG tournament for an 8 player invitational, just because the latter was there first? And MLG is completely fine with that, too? Something just didn't add up, and it seemed like MLG used that as a convenient excuse (whether true or not) to ditch SC2 as a whole. The impression I got was that Blizzard doesn't play favorites and doesn't try to make events move to get out of each others way. They don't want to take the place of events communicating with each other. I said this before in a Dota 2 thread. MLG might come back to SC2, but right now they are taking a break. The community is doing the same. The Dota 2 community, though critical, has been overwhelmingly excited about the first big LAN in NA since TI3 and MLG is really doubling down on that. Both MLG and the SC2 community need to decide if they want to be together and not take the other for granted. I think a clean slate is best for both sides and MLG can see where they fit in after Blizzard announced WCS 2014. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 13 2013 20:56 Plansix wrote: The impression I got was that Blizzard doesn't play favorites and doesn't try to make events move to get out of each others way. They don't want to take the place of events communicating with each other. I said this before in a Dota 2 thread. MLG might come back to SC2, but right now they are taking a break. The community is doing the same. The Dota 2 community, though critical, has been overwhelmingly excited about the first big LAN in NA since TI3 and MLG is really doubling down on that. Both MLG and the SC2 community need to decide if they want to be together and not take the other for granted. I think a clean slate is best for both sides and MLG can see where they fit in after Blizzard announced WCS 2014. But does that make any sense? Maybe I'm just dense here, but if I were Blizzard and I'd find out that a tournament with hundreds of participants and thousands of live viewers could not happen because of an 8 player invitational, I sure as hell would try to see what I can do to make both happen instead of saying "Eh, bad luck, better tell us your dates earlier next time!". I'm not trying to say that MLG is the SC2-hating devil. But I do find the official reasoning for dropping SC2 to be rather.. odd, both from MLG's point of view as well as Blizzard's. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 13 2013 21:01 Conti wrote: But does that make any sense? Maybe I'm just dense here, but if I were Blizzard and I'd find out that a tournament with hundreds of participants and thousands of live viewers could not happen because of an 8 player invitational, I sure as hell would try to see what I can do to make both happen instead of saying "Eh, bad luck, better tell us your dates earlier next time!". I'm not trying to say that MLG is the SC2-hating devil. But I do find the official reasoning for dropping SC2 to be rather.. odd, both from MLG's point of view as well as Blizzard's. You would be shocked how little power Blizzard has at the end of the day to force another business to do something. People act like they are all powerful and control all of SC2, but they can't make anyone move an event to another date. Plus the venues that were rented costs thousands(sometimes tens of thousands) of dollars just to secure for a weekend. It also needs to be done months and months in advance, sometimes a full year. And you can't get that money back. Once these events are booked, there might be nothing Blizzard can do to change the dates. And at that point, what do they do? Tell Redbull they can't show SC2 at their SC2 only event? Sometimes there is no good solution and you just take the best of the terrible choices you have. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 13 2013 21:05 Plansix wrote: You would be shocked how little power Blizzard has at the end of the day to force another business to do something. People act like they are all powerful and control all of SC2, but they can't make anyone move an event to another date. Plus the venues that were rented costs thousands(sometimes tens of thousands) of dollars just to secure for a weekend. It also needs to be done months and months in advance, sometimes a full year. And you can't get that money back. Once these events are booked, there might be nothing Blizzard can do to change the dates. And at that point, what do they do? Tell Redbull they can't show SC2 at their SC2 only event? Sometimes there is no good solution and you just take the best of the terrible choices you have. Allowing both events to take place seems like the obvious thing to do here, and only Blizzard could make that happen, since it is Blizzard in the first place that requires events to basically get permission before they take place. And your argument actually goes both ways: Everything has to be planned and paid for and worked for months in advance. You think MLG would just give up their main game for one of their big events just like that, just because an 8 player invitational happened to be on the same weekend? Wouldn't it be a huge deal to have to change plans, etc. due to the scheduling conflict? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 13 2013 21:12 Conti wrote: Allowing both events to take place seems like the obvious thing to do here, and only Blizzard could make that happen, since it is Blizzard in the first place that requires events to basically get permission before they take place. And your argument actually goes both ways: Everything has to be planned and paid for and worked for months in advance. You think MLG would just give up their main game for one of their big events just like that, just because an 8 player invitational happened to be on the same weekend? Wouldn't it be a huge deal to have to change plans, etc. due to the scheduling conflict? That is exactly what they did. They have a good relationship with Red Bull and decided to not step on their toes and just not have SC2 at this event. It's really not that crazy, it's really bad business to make the fans choose. They can always have SC2 at another event. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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