EPTHotS Balance Update - November 11 - Page 9
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b4shR
Argentina2 Posts
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 12 2013 10:05 b4shR wrote: no protoss rework? wait what, oracle buff? nice joke. Protoss rework? Joke is on you son. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:56 wUndertUnge wrote: Idra just said he doesn't think bio tank with tank buff will be enough to be viable vs. muta ling bling. Wasn't it effective in WoL? Plus there's no need to upgrade tanks for siege anymore. Just don't understand. Having mines and tanks together kind of makes up for the mine nerf, doesn't it? It just basically slows down the train and forces terran to be more positional and cautious. Don't know. We'll see, though. you don´t think, that slight buff onto mutalisk speed and the regen makes the hots muta/ling/bling a bit stronger? And at the end of WoL, ZvT was a one sided stomp onto the terran, and yes it didn´t matter much if Z went muta or infestor. This tank buff is a cosmetic buff as was the banshee cloak buff. Hell, they even made it weaker than intended. We have a 7,1% attack speed buff, which should enable a unit with general flaws to become viable. Yes, that´s genius logic. Bio/mine/tank? I can´t believe that this joke is still around. I think Blizzard wants to keep the terrans out of GM completely. TvP now becomes an oracle festival, yay! And TvZ might die completely. GG, WP David Kim. Perhaps time to switch to LoL! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 12 2013 10:07 Faust852 wrote: I'm watching some pro stream right now. Mine doesn't do shit lmao. Zerg just a clic with their army and it wins without any effort... GRATZ BLIZZARD. Damn, if only they buffed another aoe unit for Terran.....wait.... | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On November 12 2013 10:12 Plansix wrote: Damn, if only they buffed another aoe unit for Terran.....wait.... i'll increase your income tax by 10% and give you a raise of 1penny. You should be happy, plansix tolds you that you must ! | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On November 12 2013 10:12 Plansix wrote: Damn, if only they buffed another aoe unit for Terran.....wait.... It has been said a trillion times in this thread that tanks suck in TvZ because of the mutas. I only works after some counter allin like Bomber did vs Soulkey. | ||
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Jazzman88
Canada2228 Posts
In all seriousness, I would love to see a hybrid bio-mech strategy with the upgrade buffs to mech. Marine/Medivac/Mine/Tank transitioning to Marine/Thor/Tank transitioning to Raven/Viking/BC/Hellbat... Please make this happen, Terran pros. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On November 12 2013 10:16 Jazzman88 wrote: I saw a pro player, who hasn't fully adjusted to the nerfs/buffs, yet lose lopsidedly on an online informal ladder stream. Clearly game is broken. What's that, play with it myself and wait for the trends to settle in a few weeks? Crazy talk! for 99% of the forum the game they lose has nothing to do with balance. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
Widow mines are still great and potentially hugely cost-effective. If you think this Widow Mine nerf is going to hurt your gameplay -- then you didn't have any gameplay. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
On November 12 2013 09:56 washikie wrote: They looked like they were shut down but, they actualy did a fair amount of indirect damage. Oracles dont just hurt terran directly they greatly limit the build order options of terran, because if terran does not have 8 reines to fend off the orcle terran dies. The oracle also forces terran to stay in thier base and can force them to camp reines in the main. Its just like terran drops, its not just the fact that they kill probes that makes them strong its the fact that they force protss to invest into drop deffense and stay in thier base. It seems somewhat silly then to make a unit which can force this kind of response so early in the game stronger because it will force terran to build x# of reines before any possible orcle timings even more than it does. Orcle play is something that you dont realy react to because it comes out so early, so what this change realy does is enhance protos's ability to force terran to play certain styles. In WoL prior to the Queen buff, it was 100% standard for Terrans to open with 2-4 Hellions. Sometimes he'd get lucky and win the game outright, but far more often he'd simply gain map control and force the Zerg to open defensively and stay in their base longer until roach tech was done. There was no comparable way for Zerg to dictate the pace of the game early on--there were all-ins, but not the same sort of map control and pressure built right into standard openings. In other words, for the early game, Terran were in the drivers seat. Did that make TvZ at the time a bad matchup? Hell no, TvZ of the pre-queen buff era was the best WoL matchup. Oracles as a standard, non-gimmicky way for Protoss to open that doesn't necessarily win the game outright most of the time, but that gains map control and scouting and allows Toss to dictate pace early on, is not in of itself imbalanced. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On November 12 2013 10:12 Plansix wrote: Damn, if only they buffed another aoe unit for Terran.....wait.... Marine/Tank does not work in TvZ anymore. It didn´t really work at the end of WoL and it for sure does not work in HotS. It has to do with the pase of the matchup. TvZ is about pressuring the zerg so much, that he can´t use his strengths. With tanks you are too immobile and slow to ever achieve that. After the Queen Patch, Zerg can cut too many corners early on. The midgame position is weaker than it was before the queen patch. You just can´t afford the time it takes to cross the map with constant sieging of tanks. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On November 12 2013 10:17 Leporello wrote: It's really sad that Terrans were leaning so hard on a unit that people react this way to that nerf -- a unit, btw, that is highly immobile and dormant. Widow mines are still great and potentially hugely cost-effective. If you think this Widow Mine nerf is going to hurt your gameplay -- then you didn't have any gameplay. Nice one. Tell that to bogus/maru/polt... | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On November 12 2013 10:12 Plansix wrote: Damn, if only they buffed another aoe unit for Terran.....wait.... Funny, I really wonder what you would say, as a Protoss player, if Blizzard was to reduce the AoE of Storm by 20% and add 1 damage to the attack of the Colossus. Surely you would be lecturing Protoss players complaining because look, there is a compensation elsewhere! Right? | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 12 2013 10:19 TheDwf wrote: Funny, I really wonder what you would say, as a Protoss player, if Blizzard was to reduce the AoE of Storm by 20% and add 1 damage to the attack of the Colossus. Surely you would be lecturing Protoss players complaining because look, there is a compensation elsewhere! Right? I have never whined about a Protoss nerf. Ever. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On November 12 2013 10:19 TheDwf wrote: Funny, I really wonder what you would say, as a Protoss player, if Blizzard was to reduce the AoE of Storm by 20% and add 1 damage to the attack of the Colossus. Surely you would be lecturing Protoss players complaining because look, there is a compensation elsewhere! Right? might be possible since plansix decided to do the stupid everything is always good fanboy in reaction to the negativity in the forum. A shame he lost his rationnality in the process. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On November 12 2013 10:19 sAsImre wrote: Nice one. Tell that to bogus/maru/polt... See, I think they'll still manage to have plenty of success with these changes. How dare you accuse Polt of being a one--trick pony. I'm pretty sure Polt was balling before Widow Mines even existed. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On November 12 2013 10:21 Leporello wrote: See, I think they'll still manage to have plenty of success with these changes. How dare you accuse Polt of being a one--trick pony. I'm pretty sure Polt was balling before Widow Mines even existed. I'm pretty sure he has been exclusively doing wm builds because 4M was so much better than anything else and not because he's too lazy to explore sthg else. So he's gonna do worse builds if we follow your logic? | ||
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